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Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446
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Did you mean to type a J in that block?J BLOCK said:1 -
I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?4
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Noted from @Henry Irving that the 'new owners' were blocking the move for May but that Holden wanted him all Summer.
May was not seen as having a sell on value. Holden sees him as having a right now value.
In Dean we need to trust. I hope he wins his battles to get the team he wants, not the black box and not the 'non football ' people..... the accountant, the PR spin guy......etc10 -
Lavelle is a player I have been particularly frustrated with. I think he was a decent player when he arrived and then he struggled with form and injury, then hit a point where he wasn't even doing the basics anymore like closing down an attacker in the box. He's one of the players who I have been most disappointed with in recent years and I'd still never dream of saying something shitty about him on a social media site I know he uses. I hope he does well at Carlisle, I'm mystified by the people who have become so desensitised they think they can just spout off insulting people where they can see it on a social media site they all share. Bizarre behaviourmart77 said:Lavelle liking the tweet of a guy who said he was a good player, in response to a guy who was questioning how we had offloaded him to Carlisle.Lavelle hasn’t worked out but don’t quite get the vitriol towards some of our players.
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As I said 2 months ago May was someone we’ve been after since the season ended, not sure why people have been saying Holden wasn’t a fan.6
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Because a lot talk nonsense
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Because Methven was briefing it to deflect from their own resistance to it, in the same way they briefed the takeover troubles were all Sandgaard.Plaaayer said:As I said 2 months ago May was someone we’ve been after since the season ended, not sure why people have been saying Holden wasn’t a fan.2 -
The whole does Holden want him or not has been incredibly tedious over the last few months. He's signed therefore he wants him, if he didn't then either Holden didn't want him or we couldn't get him for whatever reason. Not that hard to understand!1
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From what is being implied, seems more like the new owners were not fans (due to age or whatever other reason) but rather than say so they did a bit of "spin" to make it sound more like Holden was being backed with his "actual" targets rather than obstructed.Plaaayer said:As I said 2 months ago May was someone we’ve been after since the season ended, not sure why people have been saying Holden wasn’t a fan.
It sounds exhausting and weirdly complicated to me but I think that those passing the "not Holden's choice" line were probably mostly doing so in good faith. Unfortunately they were not being given the honest facts in the first place.
Still, if this means that somehow Holden is now actually the decision maker on transfers and targets etc then I have to see that as a positive, for now.1 - Sponsored links:
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Missed out on another target, and then Leaburn injury as well.Danny Addick said:I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?
May was always really keen.Let’s just hope he is as good as the Charlton fans are hyping him up to be.8 -
I’m expecting the same. Blackett-Taylor played wing-back against Welling so I’m expecting to see him played there this season with hopefully a new left wing back signed up. Along with a LWB a RCM has also got to be a priority. If we get those 2 signings right then we have a brilliant first 11Covered_End_Lad said:Worth noting that Cheltenham played a 3-5-2 last year with two attacking full backs as the wide players in the 5 so likely switching between 3-5-2 in possesion to 5-3-2 out of posession. I think we could see this ourselves a fair amount this year, would certainly give May the best chance of replicating his previous season's form.It’s good news for Mitchell or Deji, I think one will be loaned out but the other will be backup RCB with more opportunities if we are playing a 3. Good news for Kanu also as I think he’s ready if we are playing 2 up topNot sure how this will help Tyreece Campbell though, could he be converted to an attacking wing back, or just used as an impact sub? Or will we see a bit of a 3-4-2-1 like against welling where TC and May play just off Leaburn0 -
Holden seems to me to know what he is doing so we need to trust and back him and the team that goes out on the pitch needs to be his team. He has had long enough to see what is needed and it is looking like he is being backed which is exciting. It isn't a complex template, get the right manager and back him as far as you can. Don't force players on him or tell him how to play.0
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I’m not in ITK when it comes to transfers, ownership etc but pretty well connected with some current and mostly past players which stems from mixed social circles, schools & football teams we all played for as kids/teens.killerandflash said:
I don't agree with certain comments on that thread, but there's a massive difference between discussing players on message board threads, and putting nasty comments on social media accounts of the players.Addick_8 said:
The thread about Chucks isn’t much betterTEL said:We all have opinions about players but I think in this day and age all the stuff posted on social media is a tad out of control.
I think people forget that these people being publicly ridiculed are human beings the same as us.
I wonder how they would feel if someone posted up all their poor performances or errors from the office, building site, workplace on Facebook and Twitter.It's fair to say if someone had a poor game if it's constructive, but all the personal stuff is out of order.Just saying.
Charlton Life is where fans can "privately" discuss players, whereas if you put a comment on a player's social media account, that's directly aimed at them.
It’s not BS although it sounds it so I understand if people don’t believe me but absolutely no need for me to make it up.I know for a fact players check this forum and also that Chucks was explicitly told to avoid social media and Charlton forums with threads about him - despite some positive comments because it wasn’t good for him to see. This is coming from a former GK of ours who I catch up with every couple of months.I’m not saying every fan should be overly positive etc, but some of the crap in there is ridiculous and wished some thought before they write what they do (in the past, I wished I have done the same thing when I was in my early 20’s) but some of this is from full grown adults.I am fiercely defensive of players suffering with injuries that are being openly mocked or accused of “stealing a living” when no one knows how tough it is for players sometimes despite their wages.Apologies for going off topic in the transfer rumours chat as I’m one of the first to moan however I felt like I needed to reply.59 -
Hi Dubai, since presumably this other target has gone elsewhere now and it wouldn't be messing up a deal or anything now can you tell us who the other target was that we missed out on?DubaiCAFC said:
Missed out on another target, and then Leaburn injury as well.Danny Addick said:I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?
May was always really keen.Let’s just hope he is as good as the Charlton fans are hyping him up to be.6 -
I should imagine it was Havertz.Manic_mania said:
Hi Dubai, since presumably this other target has gone elsewhere now and it wouldn't be messing up a deal or anything now can you tell us who the other target was that we missed out on?DubaiCAFC said:
Missed out on another target, and then Leaburn injury as well.Danny Addick said:I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?
May was always really keen.Let’s just hope he is as good as the Charlton fans are hyping him up to be.27 -
Not sure we missed out more then the club in question ( believed to be Peterbro ) was asking phone numbers for the player in questionDubaiCAFC said:
Missed out on another target, and then Leaburn injury as well.Danny Addick said:I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?
May was always really keen.Let’s just hope he is as good as the Charlton fans are hyping him up to be.0 -
I'd probably look at his record of scoring 20+ goals in the past 2 seasons, rather than reference Charlton fan's "hype".DubaiCAFC said:
Missed out on another target, and then Leaburn injury as well.Danny Addick said:I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?
May was always really keen.Let’s just hope he is as good as the Charlton fans are hyping him up to be.11 -
Cawley saying no fee involved for Wollacott or Lavelle0
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Doesn't surprise me... Reality of Football Finances in the Lower reaches of the EFLCroydon said:Cawley saying no fee involved for Wollacott or Lavelle
We've got them off the wage bill, thats probably good enough.13 - Sponsored links:
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Do u know who the other target was?DubaiCAFC said:
Missed out on another target, and then Leaburn injury as well.Danny Addick said:I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?
May was always really keen.Let’s just hope he is as good as the Charlton fans are hyping him up to be.0 -
Makes sense as Chuks has comments turned off on his Instagram. Pretty depressing when you get to a stage of so many shitty and nasty comments you end up having to do that.Addick_8 said:
I’m not in ITK when it comes to transfers, ownership etc but pretty well connected with some current and mostly past players which stems from mixed social circles, schools & football teams we all played for as kids/teens.killerandflash said:
I don't agree with certain comments on that thread, but there's a massive difference between discussing players on message board threads, and putting nasty comments on social media accounts of the players.Addick_8 said:
The thread about Chucks isn’t much betterTEL said:We all have opinions about players but I think in this day and age all the stuff posted on social media is a tad out of control.
I think people forget that these people being publicly ridiculed are human beings the same as us.
I wonder how they would feel if someone posted up all their poor performances or errors from the office, building site, workplace on Facebook and Twitter.It's fair to say if someone had a poor game if it's constructive, but all the personal stuff is out of order.Just saying.
Charlton Life is where fans can "privately" discuss players, whereas if you put a comment on a player's social media account, that's directly aimed at them.
It’s not BS although it sounds it so I understand if people don’t believe me but absolutely no need for me to make it up.I know for a fact players check this forum and also that Chucks was explicitly told to avoid social media and Charlton forums with threads about him - despite some positive comments because it wasn’t good for him to see. This is coming from a former GK of ours who I catch up with every couple of months.I’m not saying every fan should be overly positive etc, but some of the crap in there is ridiculous and wished some thought before they write what they do (in the past, I wished I have done the same thing when I was in my early 20’s) but some of this is from full grown adults.I am fiercely defensive of players suffering with injuries that are being openly mocked or accused of “stealing a living” when no one knows how tough it is for players sometimes despite their wages.Apologies for going off topic in the transfer rumours chat as I’m one of the first to moan however I felt like I needed to reply.3 -
Tbh I have no idea about May but his scoring record in the last couple of years suggests he’s what might be termed as a proven striker in this division - we needed to sign 1 this time last year - apparently it was impossible as people said they were either too good or not good enough or some other such nonsense - we need at least 1 more proven striker added this year still as can’t rely on any of ML, CA or DK for various reasons - happy with the business done so far, need to do a lot more of it still0
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If you read what Henry Irving has said, the new owners were blocking the move. Not so surprising that Reams was adamant that we were not after him given his links to the new owners, is it?Sambcafc said:Got to laugh at the ITK Reams. He has got a lot right in fairness. But has said May had a medical four Fridays ago, then said we definitely had NOT put a bid in, then magically last night after Cawley broke the news he ‘just had a call’ and then knew the deal was happening and he ‘couldn’t break confidentiality’ despite posting 2 mins before saying ‘no bid’ again… got to laugh.Now it’s ‘a player has failed a medical, but talks ongoing’… you’ve failed your medical so let’s keep discussing it 😂
Fans who post what they are hearing is interesting to many fans on here and other forums and most of us accept that the information could be correct at the time, but can and will change as this is the nature of things.
Nasty ill informed piss taking could result in them giving up which would be a real shame.
I think you owe him an apology.
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That's honestly really bleak to hear. It must be tough enough for Chuks not being able to fully engage with his career without people yelling online about how he should just retire because it's costing the club money to employ him. I think there's a huge difference between criticising a player for a poor performance or an error but when people are abusing players personally it becomes ridiculous. Social media has always created polarisation but the number of times on a post-match thread you'll see someone say that they 'never want to see x player in a Charlton shirt again' because they put in one bad performance or gave away a goal has been increasing every season I reckon. Now players get booed at games if they played for us and left, even if they were made to leave by the club. I think social media, Twitter in particular, has just completely made a lot of fans forget that footballers are human beings.Addick_8 said:
I’m not in ITK when it comes to transfers, ownership etc but pretty well connected with some current and mostly past players which stems from mixed social circles, schools & football teams we all played for as kids/teens.killerandflash said:
I don't agree with certain comments on that thread, but there's a massive difference between discussing players on message board threads, and putting nasty comments on social media accounts of the players.Addick_8 said:
The thread about Chucks isn’t much betterTEL said:We all have opinions about players but I think in this day and age all the stuff posted on social media is a tad out of control.
I think people forget that these people being publicly ridiculed are human beings the same as us.
I wonder how they would feel if someone posted up all their poor performances or errors from the office, building site, workplace on Facebook and Twitter.It's fair to say if someone had a poor game if it's constructive, but all the personal stuff is out of order.Just saying.
Charlton Life is where fans can "privately" discuss players, whereas if you put a comment on a player's social media account, that's directly aimed at them.
It’s not BS although it sounds it so I understand if people don’t believe me but absolutely no need for me to make it up.I know for a fact players check this forum and also that Chucks was explicitly told to avoid social media and Charlton forums with threads about him - despite some positive comments because it wasn’t good for him to see. This is coming from a former GK of ours who I catch up with every couple of months.I’m not saying every fan should be overly positive etc, but some of the crap in there is ridiculous and wished some thought before they write what they do (in the past, I wished I have done the same thing when I was in my early 20’s) but some of this is from full grown adults.I am fiercely defensive of players suffering with injuries that are being openly mocked or accused of “stealing a living” when no one knows how tough it is for players sometimes despite their wages.Apologies for going off topic in the transfer rumours chat as I’m one of the first to moan however I felt like I needed to reply.
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Additional benefit - Sandgaard doesn't get to take the money and run.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesn't surprise me... Reality of Football Finances in the Lower reaches of the EFLCroydon said:Cawley saying no fee involved for Wollacott or Lavelle
We've got them off the wage bill, thats probably good enough.2 -
I would also assume that May has been accelerated due to Leaburn getting injured. I would hope there is another forward in later in the window, once the takeover goes through. As currently May walks in as the only fit striker and we all know how Charlton’s luck goes when you only have one fit player in any given position.5
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Freddie Lapado was the player I understand, but Ipswich unwilling to sell now.27
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Our record of signing strikers with good records previously isn’t great. Varney, Ajose, Izle McLoed to name a couple.mendonca said:
I'd probably look at his record of scoring 20+ goals in the past 2 seasons, rather than reference Charlton fan's "hype".DubaiCAFC said:
Missed out on another target, and then Leaburn injury as well.Danny Addick said:I’m genuinely not digging you out @DubaiCAFC but can I ask why you’ve been saying May wasn’t a target and that Holden didn’t want him? Have things changed since the start of the summer? Missed another target?
May was always really keen.Let’s just hope he is as good as the Charlton fans are hyping him up to be.
I hope it does work out, I really do. But not getting too high about the signing, until he performs.Only one in recent years I remember doing well off the back of a good season was BWP in recent years4
