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It's not a question of working with Test coaches because that won't build improve their stamina. You make the county coaches sound as if they know nothing about fast bowling. They all have specialist fast bowling coaches who will work with those players in conjunction with talks with England. In fact, Yorkshire's head coach is Ottis Gibson. Are there many coaches better qualified than him?Chizz said:
I don't think county championship cricket can ever be described as "real, competitive cricket". I assume we differ on that. But if the contentions of both Michael Vaughan and @Lincsaddick are that Wood and Woakes would be better playing for their counties between now and the third Test, I disagree.Addick Addict said:
We know that you don't like County cricket and that you have professed a liking for The Hundred. Bowling 25 overs in a County game will get them match fit and to get used to landing the ball in the right areas.Chizz said:
No, of course I don't mean The Hundred.Addick Addict said:
Like The Hundred you mean? Have to wait for August for that but, with the best will in the world, 20 balls a game isn't going to get them match fit for a Test!Chizz said:
I think they have a basic choice. Either send them back to their counties or get them to play some real, competitive cricket.Lincsaddick said:Michael Vaughan making the point on 5SX that Wood and Woakes are not gonna get test match fit by just bowling in the nets etc. .. send them back to their counties to play some real competitive cricket .. I agree totally
What games would they play between now and then that would benefit them more than working with the Test coaches? I don't think there are any.
It's a question of building up their match fitness. Both could have played in this round of county matches. But there are no opportunities before the next Test although, prior to the advent of The Hundred, there would have been because we wouldn't have been playing five Test matches in six weeks.4 -
England must have known a few days ago that they wouldn't pick Wood, so could have released him on Saturday to play for Durham in their current game, with strict instructions as to how many overs he could bowl.3
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It's easy to forget how tiring fielding is. 6 hours of standing in the field, walking between positions and regular sprints after the ball. You don't get that sort of fitness in the netscantersaddick said:
Their problem isn't technical, mindset or form which would be something to work with coaches on. Their problem is overs in the legs which you can only get in game situations. Stokes said himself regarding his knee after the last match that backing up spell after spell on consecutive days with hours in the field in between is very different from bowling controlled spells in the nets with a visit to the physio and sports massage specialists in between.Chizz said:
I don't think county championship cricket can ever be described as "real, competitive cricket". I assume we differ on that. But if the contentions of both Michael Vaughan and @Lincsaddick are that Wood and Woakes would be better playing for their counties between now and the third Test, I disagree.Addick Addict said:
We know that you don't like County cricket and that you have professed a liking for The Hundred. Bowling 25 overs in a County game will get them match fit and to get used to landing the ball in the right areas.Chizz said:
No, of course I don't mean The Hundred.Addick Addict said:
Like The Hundred you mean? Have to wait for August for that but, with the best will in the world, 20 balls a game isn't going to get them match fit for a Test!Chizz said:
I think they have a basic choice. Either send them back to their counties or get them to play some real, competitive cricket.Lincsaddick said:Michael Vaughan making the point on 5SX that Wood and Woakes are not gonna get test match fit by just bowling in the nets etc. .. send them back to their counties to play some real competitive cricket .. I agree totally
What games would they play between now and then that would benefit them more than working with the Test coaches? I don't think there are any.
England are quite happy to release players to counties with stipulations about the number of overs they can bowl per innings/per day as they did with Sam Curran most of last season. Don't see why the same couldn't apply here.2 -
Australia are the sporting equivalent of the Conservatives, we can never get them out!3
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Didn't Stokes say that Woods needed another weeks recovery, and would be ready for the next test, and it's not a case of going up to Durham to play0
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I do enjoy the cricket coverage, big fan of Nasser and Strauss! I find the punditry way more insightful than football.2
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Maybe I'm not being clear enough. I don't think Wood and Woakes can get enough bowling in red ball cricket between today and the start of the Third Test to be of any benefit.cantersaddick said:
Their problem isn't technical, mindset or form which would be something to work with coaches on. Their problem is overs in the legs which you can only get in game situations. Stokes said himself regarding his knee after the last match that backing up spell after spell on consecutive days with hours in the field in between is very different from bowling controlled spells in the nets with a visit to the physio and sports massage specialists in between.Chizz said:
I don't think county championship cricket can ever be described as "real, competitive cricket". I assume we differ on that. But if the contentions of both Michael Vaughan and @Lincsaddick are that Wood and Woakes would be better playing for their counties between now and the third Test, I disagree.Addick Addict said:
We know that you don't like County cricket and that you have professed a liking for The Hundred. Bowling 25 overs in a County game will get them match fit and to get used to landing the ball in the right areas.Chizz said:
No, of course I don't mean The Hundred.Addick Addict said:
Like The Hundred you mean? Have to wait for August for that but, with the best will in the world, 20 balls a game isn't going to get them match fit for a Test!Chizz said:
I think they have a basic choice. Either send them back to their counties or get them to play some real, competitive cricket.Lincsaddick said:Michael Vaughan making the point on 5SX that Wood and Woakes are not gonna get test match fit by just bowling in the nets etc. .. send them back to their counties to play some real competitive cricket .. I agree totally
What games would they play between now and then that would benefit them more than working with the Test coaches? I don't think there are any.
England are quite happy to release players to counties with stipulations about the number of overs they can bowl per innings/per day as they did with Sam Curran most of last season. Don't see why the same couldn't apply here.0 -
Rothko said:Didn't Stokes say that Woods needed another weeks recovery, and would be ready for the next test, and it's not a case of going up to Durham to play
This is what he said:
"We wanted to play Mark Wood. We felt that he could definitely start the game, but with conversations we felt the extra week of build-up and getting his loads up would give him a better chance and an opportunity to play a full part from Leeds onwards."
We don't know why Woakes isn't playing and he hasn't played a red ball game in the last 7 weeks. Bowling 4 over white ball spells in T20 isn't going to get him match fit to bowl 30 overs plus in a Test.2 -
But if fit they could have had enough bowling between the first and third test.Chizz said:
Maybe I'm not being clear enough. I don't think Wood and Woakes can get enough bowling in red ball cricket between today and the start of the Third Test to be of any benefit.cantersaddick said:
Their problem isn't technical, mindset or form which would be something to work with coaches on. Their problem is overs in the legs which you can only get in game situations. Stokes said himself regarding his knee after the last match that backing up spell after spell on consecutive days with hours in the field in between is very different from bowling controlled spells in the nets with a visit to the physio and sports massage specialists in between.Chizz said:
I don't think county championship cricket can ever be described as "real, competitive cricket". I assume we differ on that. But if the contentions of both Michael Vaughan and @Lincsaddick are that Wood and Woakes would be better playing for their counties between now and the third Test, I disagree.Addick Addict said:
We know that you don't like County cricket and that you have professed a liking for The Hundred. Bowling 25 overs in a County game will get them match fit and to get used to landing the ball in the right areas.Chizz said:
No, of course I don't mean The Hundred.Addick Addict said:
Like The Hundred you mean? Have to wait for August for that but, with the best will in the world, 20 balls a game isn't going to get them match fit for a Test!Chizz said:
I think they have a basic choice. Either send them back to their counties or get them to play some real, competitive cricket.Lincsaddick said:Michael Vaughan making the point on 5SX that Wood and Woakes are not gonna get test match fit by just bowling in the nets etc. .. send them back to their counties to play some real competitive cricket .. I agree totally
What games would they play between now and then that would benefit them more than working with the Test coaches? I don't think there are any.
England are quite happy to release players to counties with stipulations about the number of overs they can bowl per innings/per day as they did with Sam Curran most of last season. Don't see why the same couldn't apply here.0 -
KP has annoyed me slightly less than I was expecting him to do.cafcsinger said:I do enjoy the cricket coverage, big fan of Nasser and Strauss! I find the punditry way more insightful than football.1 - Sponsored links:
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Completely agree. But that's a different scenario.blackpool72 said:
But if fit they could have had enough bowling between the first and third test.Chizz said:
Maybe I'm not being clear enough. I don't think Wood and Woakes can get enough bowling in red ball cricket between today and the start of the Third Test to be of any benefit.cantersaddick said:
Their problem isn't technical, mindset or form which would be something to work with coaches on. Their problem is overs in the legs which you can only get in game situations. Stokes said himself regarding his knee after the last match that backing up spell after spell on consecutive days with hours in the field in between is very different from bowling controlled spells in the nets with a visit to the physio and sports massage specialists in between.Chizz said:
I don't think county championship cricket can ever be described as "real, competitive cricket". I assume we differ on that. But if the contentions of both Michael Vaughan and @Lincsaddick are that Wood and Woakes would be better playing for their counties between now and the third Test, I disagree.Addick Addict said:
We know that you don't like County cricket and that you have professed a liking for The Hundred. Bowling 25 overs in a County game will get them match fit and to get used to landing the ball in the right areas.Chizz said:
No, of course I don't mean The Hundred.Addick Addict said:
Like The Hundred you mean? Have to wait for August for that but, with the best will in the world, 20 balls a game isn't going to get them match fit for a Test!Chizz said:
I think they have a basic choice. Either send them back to their counties or get them to play some real, competitive cricket.Lincsaddick said:Michael Vaughan making the point on 5SX that Wood and Woakes are not gonna get test match fit by just bowling in the nets etc. .. send them back to their counties to play some real competitive cricket .. I agree totally
What games would they play between now and then that would benefit them more than working with the Test coaches? I don't think there are any.
England are quite happy to release players to counties with stipulations about the number of overs they can bowl per innings/per day as they did with Sam Curran most of last season. Don't see why the same couldn't apply here.0 -
Many of them come from a long line of criminalssillav nitram said:Australia are the sporting equivalent of the Conservatives...3 -
Agreed - and it then doubly annoys me when they say 'and got the wicket of X with the last ball before lunch' when it was not the scheduled last ball of the over before lunchChizz said:
I don't understand why they take lunch straight away. Without going full-Golfie, why do they take lunch part-way through an over, when the wicket falls two minutes before the scheduled break?kentaddick said:and that's lunch! Great time to get a wicket.
I think they should always complete the over in play.2 -
Don't get me started on lunch, I'll get accused of starving the poor players to death again.MrOneLung said:
Agreed - and it then doubly annoys me when they say 'and got the wicket of X with the last ball before lunch' when it was not the scheduled last ball of the over before lunchChizz said:
I don't understand why they take lunch straight away. Without going full-Golfie, why do they take lunch part-way through an over, when the wicket falls two minutes before the scheduled break?kentaddick said:and that's lunch! Great time to get a wicket.
I think they should always complete the over in play.0 -
Should play through the day amd have a sushi belt type of thing thing running around the boundary, with various snacks going around. In between overs, a player can run over and grab a pork pie or cheese and cucumber sandwich.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me started on lunch, I'll get accused of starving the poor players to death again.MrOneLung said:
Agreed - and it then doubly annoys me when they say 'and got the wicket of X with the last ball before lunch' when it was not the scheduled last ball of the over before lunchChizz said:
I don't understand why they take lunch straight away. Without going full-Golfie, why do they take lunch part-way through an over, when the wicket falls two minutes before the scheduled break?kentaddick said:and that's lunch! Great time to get a wicket.
I think they should always complete the over in play.4 -
Tongue slightly showing up the lack of pace in the other England seamers3
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Off they go again for rain0
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And straight back on again0
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What a waste of time…0
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Tongue has the Aussie openers licked0
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Starting to get the feeling the luck just isnt with us this series0
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what a ball
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Really? Was a perfectly normal delivery, bit of movement, misjudgement. Let's see how he continuesAddick Addict said:That is why Tongue is in the side1 -
*starts to think about retracting his words*7
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I will take my thanks now chaps0
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Warner bowled by Tongue, through the gate, just too quick with a bit of swing
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tongue strikes again!0
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Tongue me sideways!0
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Tongue different gravy to our other bowlers here - be first choice for the rest of the series by the looks of things0
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Tongue is in the groove
Warner gone, bowled, 96-2.
The next two wickets will be critical.0
