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Australia win by 89 runs. Offie Ash Gardener takes 8-66 and 12 in the match0
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Gardener will get player of the match no doubt but Tammy Beaumont has to consider herself very unlucky not to have received the award for her record innings0
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A shame it fell apart so quickly. Cross & Jones' dismissals were really really poor.1
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Women's cricket is a mismatch between batters and 'fast' bowlers who don't remotely trouble them; these are batters who could and presumably do play club cricket against men bowling 80+. But Gardner and to a similar extent Ecclestone are the next-generation spinners whose levels aren't far off those of their male counterparts - and so they're much harder to play. England should pick an all-spin attack for the rest of the series tbh, or close to it.
Like, having watched Gardner earlier and Rob Keogh now, there's basically no difference at all. Keogh might be bowling mid 50s rather than early 50s, but Gardner puts as many revs on it and is probably more accurate5 -
similar imho to women's football - the women simply can't do the same physical things as men in the real physical aspects of the sport and they shouldn't try imo.Leuth said:Women's cricket is a mismatch between batters and 'fast' bowlers who don't remotely trouble them; these are batters who could and presumably do play club cricket against men bowling 80+. But Gardner and to a similar extent Ecclestone are the next-generation spinners whose levels aren't far off those of their male counterparts - and so they're much harder to play. England should pick an all-spin attack for the rest of the series tbh, or close to it.
Like, having watched Gardner earlier and Rob Keogh now, there's basically no difference at all. Keogh might be bowling mid 50s rather than early 50s, but Gardner puts as many revs on it and is probably more accurate1 -
Well, the batters can. They can hit it 80 metres now!
Like, this sounds like heresy, and it's stupid and unworkable, but I think as a sport women's cricket would be improved by having a couple of U17 male quick bowlers per side, because the fast bowling in women's cricket is not only of limited effectiveness but also an insult to the immense and growing skill of the batters. I'd really LIKE to see these batters taking on quicker bowling - and I bet they could do it well too
Either that, or Issy Wong's pace is the standard, rather than the exception. But even she is pedestrian by male pro standards, and crucially, by the standards of what women batters CAN face comfortably0 -
Wasn’t that an uncovered wicket? Also didn’t England players go out with hankies and start to mop up after a heavy rain shower a few hours prior to this photo being taken. I was 15 and watched every ball on the tele in black and white. Brilliant game, underwood was unplayable.Addick Addict said:One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
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I could turn it a foot on that pitch !!!
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Then imagine trying to play Derek Underwood bowling at 65mph on the spot and turning it square on what was an uncovered pitch. No wonder Inverarity's mind was so frazzled that he opted to leave the ball.MrOneLung said:I could turn it a foot on that pitch !!!0 -
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.6
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Multiple Test wickets!Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.5 -
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.1 -
I thought it was a terrible case of the yips!Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.0 -
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.0 -
I though Nasser had the yips because he had a growth spurt and totally lost his length?cantersaddick said:
I thought it was a terrible case of the yips!Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.0 -
boasts a one day bowling average lower than his batting average as well.Addick Addict said:
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.0 -
In 1983 he won the Jack Hobbs Memorial Award as the Outstanding Schoolboy Cricketer at under-15 level. In a (non-first-class) match against the Marylebone Cricket Club in 1984 he took 6–27.Addick Addict said:
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
His first class batting average is only 3 less than his first class bowling average.
He bowled 45 overs for England in 1990 but on bowled one 7 over spell after that.0 -
Happens to us all as we get older.Cafc43v3r said:
I though Nasser had the yips because he had a growth spurt and totally lost his length?cantersaddick said:
I thought it was a terrible case of the yips!Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.2 -
Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Shame they don't exist.0 -
Moeen!!North Lower Neil said:Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Shame they don't exist.0 - Sponsored links:
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Only two problems with that one....Cafc43v3r said:
Moeen!!North Lower Neil said:Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Shame they don't exist.0 -
Revenge for all the 90mph bouncers and toe crushing yorkers he faced from Wasim when playing for England!Addick Addict said:
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?Addick Addict said:Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.1 -
Obviously not 21 years old or even playing anymore but Zafar Ansari is the one who got away in that sense. Traditional opening batsman more than happy to grind it out for days and days if needed but capable of turning it on in T20 mode if needed. I have a feeling his batting would have loved Bazball. Also capable of bowling over after over of tight controlling left arms spin. Maybe not attacking enough as a bowler for Bazball but certainly would be worth a look. Massive shame he gave up the game.North Lower Neil said:Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Shame they don't exist.2 -
Great piece by Mark Nicholas about Deadly (and Knotty)Addick Addict said:One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1226514/deadly-venom--the-terror-of-derek-underwood
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De Caires final figures of the innings: 47.3-5-144-7. Prior to this game his FC figures were 1-1600
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Anti clockwise surely?Addick Addict said:One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
I remember all of those playing for England apart from Graveney, Dexter and Brown.0 -
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Anti clockwise surely?Addick Addict said:One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
I remember all of those playing for England apart from Graveney, Dexter and Brown.0 -
His wickets were fairly underwhelming. Most batsman just gave it awayAddick Addict said:De Caires final figures of the innings: 47.3-5-144-7. Prior to this game his FC figures were 1-1601 -
Logan van Beek got out off the last ball vs the Windies today with 1 to win.
It turned out he did this in order to show off in the Super Over1 -
In reply Middlesex are 90-7 with Liam Dawson having 6-17. You get the feeling the pitch is spin friendly!Addick Addict said:De Caires final figures of the innings: 47.3-5-144-7. Prior to this game his FC figures were 1-1601
