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  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,413
    killerandflash said:
    Ended up a bit of a thriller, with Middlesex cocking up the final over to lose by 2 runs.

    The marketing men won't understand it, but watching cricket at an outground is one of the pleasures of the English game. 
    I totally agree. My county, Sussex, have cut Arundel, a beautiful ground, Eastbourne and Horsham from the list over recent years. Most years, I do a tour of 3-4 grounds watching One Day Cup games. This year, I'm managing to see a game at York, but my options are reducing.
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,413
    killerandflash said:
    Callumcafc said:
    First Test match of the season and Wimbledon right around the corner as well... I do miss the English summer!
    When England are 3-0 down in the Ashes, and all the British players out of Wimbledon by day 3, we'll be looking forward to autumn  ;)
    What's that Charlton top of League One after winning 8 out of 8?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,038
    thai malaysia addick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Ended up a bit of a thriller, with Middlesex cocking up the final over to lose by 2 runs.

    The marketing men won't understand it, but watching cricket at an outground is one of the pleasures of the English game. 
    I totally agree. My county, Sussex, have cut Arundel, a beautiful ground, Eastbourne and Horsham from the list over recent years. Most years, I do a tour of 3-4 grounds watching One Day Cup games. This year, I'm managing to see a game at York, but my options are reducing.
    That's a shame, always meant to catch a game at Arundel.

    Most non international county headquarters grounds aren't great. Their facilities are mediocre, and they're often not that picturesque either. 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,765
    I'm at these:

    Ireland - Lords - Friday Day 2
    World Test Championship - The Oval - Friday Day 3
    Ashes Test 1 - Edgbaston - Monday Day 4
    Ashes Test 2 - Headingley - Sunday Day 4
    Ashes Test 4 - Lords - Sunday Day 5
    Ashes Test 5 - Old Trafford - Wednesday & Thursday Days 1 & 2

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    I wasn't planning on any of them, which would have been a shame with The Oval just down the road, but my Indian cricket clubmate has said he'll get me to Day Two of the WTC final!
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,813
    killerandflash said:
    PopIcon said:
    Off to the first day of the Ireland test match on Thursday. Any other addicts in attendance?

    I'm going on Friday. The game should hopefully last that long!
    Can’t see Ireland bowling out England before lunch on the first day again.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    guinnessaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    PopIcon said:
    Off to the first day of the Ireland test match on Thursday. Any other addicts in attendance?

    I'm going on Friday. The game should hopefully last that long!
    Can’t see Ireland bowling out England before lunch on the first day again.
    I can. They'll score 300 though
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,890
    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/3497603

    England Men have named their XI for the LV= Insurance Test against Ireland starting at Lord's on Thursday.

    Worcestershire seamer Josh Tongue has been handed his Test debut for the one-off Test ahead of this summer's Ashes series.

    England Team v Ireland: Ben Duckett, Zak Crawley, Ollie Pope, Joe Root, Harry Brook, Ben Stokes (c), Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Matthew Potts, Josh Tongue (Debut), Jack Leach.

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    https://youtu.be/lOtC3DMKX1Q

    Here is some of his play, and an interview. He reminds me quite a lot of James Taylor

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  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    Caved in today and bought tickets for this Friday at Lords to add to the following ashes haul. 

    Friday, Saturday, Sunday Edgbaston (days 1,2&3)
    Wednesday, Saturday Lords (days 1&4)
    Saturday, Sunday Headingley (days 3&4)
    Friday, Saturday, Old Trafford (days 3&4)
    Thursday Oval (day 1)



  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,938
    Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 
    Das is a real talent and the only surprise is that it's taken so long for him to be given a regular opportunity - he made his debut for Essex 2s five years ago as a 16 year old 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,038
    Das is at University so hasn't committed to cricket full time like other players his age
  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,596
    killerandflash said:
    Das is at University so hasn't committed to cricket full time like other players his age
    Very sensible
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,038
    suzisausage said:
    Caved in today and bought tickets for this Friday at Lords to add to the following ashes haul. 

    Friday, Saturday, Sunday Edgbaston (days 1,2&3)
    Wednesday, Saturday Lords (days 1&4)
    Saturday, Sunday Headingley (days 3&4)
    Friday, Saturday, Old Trafford (days 3&4)
    Thursday Oval (day 1)



    Going this Friday as well, then next Wednesday for the World Test Championship

    For the Ashes, I've got 
    Day 3 Edgbaston, Day 3 Lord's, then Days 4 and 5 (ha ha) at The Oval

    also got ODI tickets on the 15th Sept (Lord's)

  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,935
    I am gonna guess that Tongue will be a one and done test cricketer for England 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,127
    Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 

    Feels like because he caused Smith a few problems a couple of weeks ago that he's now the next hope. Was expecting to see Carse or Mahmood called up. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,038
    MarcusH26 said:
    Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 

    Feels like because he caused Smith a few problems a couple of weeks ago that he's now the next hope. Was expecting to see Carse or Mahmood called up. 
    Or for a one off game, why not Chris Rushworth?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,938
    killerandflash said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 

    Feels like because he caused Smith a few problems a couple of weeks ago that he's now the next hope. Was expecting to see Carse or Mahmood called up. 
    Or for a one off game, why not Chris Rushworth?
    It's a wild card selection but Tongue has been on England's radar since he made his debut seven years ago as an 18 year old and for England U19s. He only played three CC matches last season due to injuries (he's had a lot of them in his career to date ) and didn't perform particularly well either but was still sent with the Lions to Sri Lanka - he took 8-153 against Sr Lanka A whereas Sam Cook, for example, took 3-107. He's also almost 12 years younger than Rushworth. Still, this season's figures of 11 wickets at 41.45 and an economy rate of 4.43 too doesn't have him jumping off the page but they are probably looking at him from a possible "x" factor perspective rather than what he's actually done in the book. As we know from the selection of Crawley (First Class average of 30.43) England do like to do that.  
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,069
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,038
    Leuth said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Leuth said:
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,938
    A pub landlord stands to collect £50,000 tomorrow when Tongue makes his debut tomorrow. He is a friend of Tongue's dad, used to play cricket with him and struck the bet when Tongue was 11

    Worcester News Tim made the bet when Josh was just 11-years-old
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited May 2023
    Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
    He was regularly hitting the mid 90s for most of his career, including a 100.1 mph delivery.  He wasn't touching 90.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,404
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
    He was regularly hitting the mid 90s for most of his career, including a 100.1 mph delivery.  He wasn't touching 90.
    Like Starc though, he was only capable of bowling really, really quick when it was full. Johnson is the only one of the three who could bowl fearsomely quick and short 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
    He was regularly hitting the mid 90s for most of his career, including a 100.1 mph delivery.  He wasn't touching 90.
    Like Starc though, he was only capable of bowling really, really quick when it was full. Johnson is the only one of the three who could bowl fearsomely quick and short 
    I don't think Alex Tudor would agree.  There are loads of clips of Lee bowling short and quick on YouTube.

    You have got to factor in that in backing up McGrath and Warne they never really needed a plan B to get wickets.  I think had a much better "line and length" game than Johnson so didn't have to go short to get wickets, it's not the same as couldn't. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,038
    And Brett Lee didn't want to get a reputation as a nasty bowler, as he had a Bollywood career to think about  ;)

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