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England Cricket 2023

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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,903
    Unbelievable longevity for the top level of any sport. How does this compare to other sports? for example how ling was Federer playing at the very top?

    Just baffling that me at 28 years old can only just barely remember an England side without Jimmy in it. And that is only because it was 2005 which was something special.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Unbelievable longevity for the top level of any sport. How does this compare to other sports? for example how ling was Federer playing at the very top?

    Just baffling that me at 28 years old can only just barely remember an England side without Jimmy in it. And that is only because it was 2005 which was something special.
    and jimmy wasn't in that side because the england bowling coaches had spent the last year or so destroying his action.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,903
    Unbelievable longevity for the top level of any sport. How does this compare to other sports? for example how ling was Federer playing at the very top?

    Just baffling that me at 28 years old can only just barely remember an England side without Jimmy in it. And that is only because it was 2005 which was something special.
    and jimmy wasn't in that side because the england bowling coaches had spent the last year or so destroying his action.
    Exactly and he still made the squad for the last test.

    I wonder how many players have debuted and retired in that time.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    Unbelievable longevity for the top level of any sport. How does this compare to other sports? for example how ling was Federer playing at the very top?

    Just baffling that me at 28 years old can only just barely remember an England side without Jimmy in it. And that is only because it was 2005 which was something special.
    Similar length of time I guess - Federer reached the QF at Wimbledon in 2001 and 2021, for example.

    But then Federer was another who's longevity was above the norm.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Robinson's ankle is ok thankfully.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65682420
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    A non Kent posting so I'll post it here, but crazy that with the current domestic timetable, the T20 Blast starts so early it clashes with the IPL. It's as if the ECB are not only sabotaging the county championship and 50 over competition, but even the Blast.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    A non Kent posting so I'll post it here, but crazy that with the current domestic timetable, the T20 Blast starts so early it clashes with the IPL. It's as if the ECB are not only sabotaging the county championship and 50 over competition, but even the Blast.
    Most of the blame for this falls on Harrison. He negotiated it all and even signed broadcasting deals just a matter of weeks before he sailed off into the sunset with his bonus (even though The Hundred was making massive losses) that would tie the competition with broadcasters for years. I will never forgive or forget that man. Parasite is too kind a word for him. 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,670

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  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,670
    I think Sussex may be a few short....
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    they won by 197 runs




  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    A non Kent posting so I'll post it here, but crazy that with the current domestic timetable, the T20 Blast starts so early it clashes with the IPL. It's as if the ECB are not only sabotaging the county championship and 50 over competition, but even the Blast.
    sad to see all the, what i saw as great work from the ecb in the early noughties is being undone, slowly with the sky only deal and now rapidly.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    A non Kent posting so I'll post it here, but crazy that with the current domestic timetable, the T20 Blast starts so early it clashes with the IPL. It's as if the ECB are not only sabotaging the county championship and 50 over competition, but even the Blast.
    Most of the blame for this falls on Harrison. He negotiated it all and even signed broadcasting deals just a matter of weeks before he sailed off into the sunset with his bonus (even though The Hundred was making massive losses) that would tie the competition with broadcasters for years. I will never forgive or forget that man. Parasite is too kind a word for him. 
    Oh look another of The Hundred Directors having totally damaged cricket in this country is running off and taking his bonus with him


  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,735
    Another one abandoning the ship before it sinks without a trace.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,322

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    josh tongue added to the england test squad vs ireland.

    Lets hope he can give them a lick...

    If my cricket captain 2020 save is anything to go by he'll do well 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,670
    josh tongue added to the england test squad vs ireland.

    Lets hope he can give them a lick...

    If my cricket captain 2020 save is anything to go by he'll do well 
    Picked on the basis of getting Smith out once.... What does Sam Cook have to do!? 
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,955
    josh tongue added to the england test squad vs ireland.

    Lets hope he can give them a lick...

    If my cricket captain 2020 save is anything to go by he'll do well 
    Who is he?
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    josh tongue added to the england test squad vs ireland.

    Lets hope he can give them a lick...

    If my cricket captain 2020 save is anything to go by he'll do well 
    Who is he?
    fast bowler, more in the mould of stone, wood etc than anderson and robinson. Which is why i think maybe cook would've been a better option

    josh tongue added to the england test squad vs ireland.

    Lets hope he can give them a lick...

    If my cricket captain 2020 save is anything to go by he'll do well 
    Picked on the basis of getting Smith out once.... What does Sam Cook have to do!? 
    likely like parkinson, his batting or lack of counts against him.
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    As an on-and-off Worcestershire fan, this is the most baffling selection since Darren Pattinson
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    It isn't Sam Cook's lack of batting that counts against him, it's that Tongue is taller and slightly quicker, regardless of Cook being by an extremely big distance the better bowler. Our selectors are fucking obsessed
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    It's the Ireland game not the Ashes, I guess it's a chance to have a look at him up close in the nets etc as much as anything.
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,670
    Leuth said:
    It isn't Sam Cook's lack of batting that counts against him, it's that Tongue is taller and slightly quicker, regardless of Cook being by an extremely big distance the better bowler. Our selectors are fucking obsessed
    He's without a doubt quicker than Cook but I wouldn't call him quick by a long stretch. Hopefully it's just for experience anyway and if Jimmy and/or Robinson can't play then we pick Potts & Woakes. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    edited May 2023
    Leuth said:
    It isn't Sam Cook's lack of batting that counts against him, it's that Tongue is taller and slightly quicker, regardless of Cook being by an extremely big distance the better bowler. Our selectors are fucking obsessed
    Some five years ago, a certain county that hasn't produced a home grown fast bowler for decades, sent an edict out to county age group coaches that they no longer wanted to see "line and length" bowlers of limited stature in their squads but wanted big lads who might be capable of bowling fast, no matter how erratic they were. The fact that a chap who wasn't home grown recently retired having taken over 800 wickets bowling at 70mph was probably wasted on them.

    The good news is that we should see a massive increase in the number of spinners in the county because those lads of average height are realising that there is no end game for them as fast bowlers. It would be good news if it weren't for the fact that almost half of the CC games are now played in April/May when sides habitually go into games without a spinner. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    So it starts. Jason Roy has asked to be released from his Central Contract as the ECB will not allow him to go to the US to play in their T20 competition which clashes with the CC and The Blast. His incremental Central Contract runs out in October and his two year deal with the US franchise is worth £300,000. Presumably Surrey will now have to negotiate a contract themselves for his services during the period that he is actually here and available to play here.

    Time to bin the outdated Central Contracts and reward players with much larger match and squad fees and incentives for playing in our home competitions as opposed to sitting watching cricket in India (namely Stokes and Root) instead of meaningful preparation for an Ashes series. I do get that Australia are in the same boat to a degree but there has to be a bit of an irony that, potentially, our two best batsmen (Root and Brook) are at the IPL and their two best batsmen (Smith and Labsuchagne) are here playing county cricket. 


  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    So it starts. Jason Roy has asked to be released from his Central Contract as the ECB will not allow him to go to the US to play in their T20 competition which clashes with the CC and The Blast. His incremental Central Contract runs out in October and his two year deal with the US franchise is worth £300,000. Presumably Surrey will now have to negotiate a contract themselves for his services during the period that he is actually here and available to play here.

    Time to bin the outdated Central Contracts and reward players with much larger match and squad fees and incentives for playing in our home competitions as opposed to sitting watching cricket in India (namely Stokes and Root) instead of meaningful preparation for an Ashes series. I do get that Australia are in the same boat to a degree but there has to be a bit of an irony that, potentially, our two best batsmen (Root and Brook) are at the IPL and their two best batsmen (Smith and Labsuchagne) are here playing county cricket. 


    And while England are warming up for the Ashes with a Test against Ireland, Australia will warm up with a Test against India...
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    It seems that Roy will stay until the end of the T20 Blast before departing.

    As he's more or less a  white ball only player now, the Blast is the only time he'll play for Surrey this season anyway, and there are no England white ball games until later this summer, so you can see why he's tempted.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Priority is England, then franchise but no mention of Surrey!

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  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,735
    Methinks you protest TOO much, Jason....

    What do our Surrey supporters think of this, I wonder ?