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Post-Match Thread: CHARLTON ATHLETIC v CHELTENHAM TOWN / FRIDAY 2nd DECEMBER 2022 7.45pm KO
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What fumes elicit the concept of cultural issues?1
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Agreed, even Wollacott wouldn’t have been available anyway, but if he were out there playing for Ghana that would have been a lift both for him and his team mates. You left out Thomas who I thought played pretty well in the couple of games he played. Hence two-ultra rookie centre-backs.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Wollacott, Egbo, O'Connell, CBT, Leaburn.wmcf123 said:
Who of the injured players would definitely have played last night ?soapboxsam said:Having injuries to key players affected Bowyer, Adkins, Jackson and now Garner.
Not having certain positions covered for two years is ridiculous. Left back to name just one !
Ben Garner is trying to get Chas and Dave to perform classical music at the Albert hall when maybe a good old knees up at Albert Square would be more fitting for this Charlton squad bereft of quality and numbers in so many positions.
No I don't mean Hoof effing ball but quality diagonal balls with an ability to increase the tempo. Mix and bloody match.
Add in the suspended Stockley (whether he fits the style of play or not), and that's more than half the first team missing.You could also effectively add Aneke and JFC to that list. Curbs increasingly has things to say about our apparently inability to get 90 mins out of Aneke ( and CBT). People on here keep muttering about JFC’s contract too.What’s more this has been going on all season. Especially at the back Garner has never had the chance to pick his best 3-5 defenders together. Never. By contrast during the Ipswich game Greg Stubley mentioned that their back 6 ( he did say back 6) has been unchanged all season.
This story has been the same for 3 years. Bow could have kept us up in the Championship if we hadnt been hit by a “biblical” storm of injuries around this time of the season. Taylor’s was beyond our control of course but we lost Field and JFC to the same long term injury in the same match, for example.If we allocate the same % to fitness and medical as RD did then there’s a major problem right there. You add on top of it TS mistakes in re-signing Aneke on a long contract, splashing money on Kirk who is a dilettante, sorry to say, letting Wash go without replacing him, and honestly I don’t know how any manager at this level could do much better than Garner. Most of Garner’s signings have been pretty ok, IMO, - it’s just that every one of them has come here and got injured at some point, before we even get to December. But yeah , lump it all on the manager, like fans do…14 -
Sorry, I would say that its vitally important who the replacement would be, and how he could work with a budget made even smaller by Garners pay off. As to the tactics being at fault, what tactics? I cant see anything substantially different to how any other manager sets a team up, just that we have a shortage of quality players. Change for just change sake rarely proves to be successful.Mr_invisible said:
No idea but that’s not a reason to keep Garner.Hal1x said:
And who on earth (who is any good that is!) would come HERE!Mr_invisible said:I’m not sure how some people can say Garner is a good manager and with right backing would do well. On what evidence?
no doubt he was stitched up by the chairman with thin squad but I’m sorry we should be preforming a lot better than this . I can’t even listen to his post match interviews anymore. Repetitive cringe.He has to go imo.
Maybe get someone in till end of the season to steady the ship and get the best out of this limited squad so we don’t get sucked into relegation fight. (good job bottom 4 look so poor)These tactics do not work in league 1 and we have shown no progress whatsoever.1 -
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Don't worry theres a lot lower we can still go....Valley11 said:Just watched the highlights. What a mess and I don’t mean the abject defending and lack of desire. It’s the general treacle that’s seeped into every corner of the club and ground it to a halt.
This is the lowest I’ve felt in 35 years of supporting CAFC.1 -
A prime example of how not to own and run a football club. Stick your ego in your guitar case and get a one way ticket from Heathrow and never come back
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Kirk looks clearly offside I’m afraid.
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Looks off to me1
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That's similar to my view from the Curbs stand, and I thought he was off at the time. A shame, as it was nearly a decent run and goal.0
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Unfortunately I have to agree with you.blackpool72 said:Oi Sandgaard
If you are reading this
Just sell the club and fuck off
We need a proper Striker.
The amount of games we could have won this season and not drawn of lost if we had a serious
first division striker we could have won taking our chances correctly and shooting on target.
Our owner appears to be full of Bullshit and cannot invest properly in this club.
” We will be in the premiership in 5 years” he said ……..,,,,smell the roses 🌹 and either invest properly in our club or Fuck Off please.
no doubt our next trip to Stockport will end in
frustration and disappointment 👎👎👎0 -
Using my technological skills I've managed to recreate VAR on my computer - it shows Kirk is clearly on side
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After today's results we are now 17th in the League.....how crap is that!! Relegation battle looms I fear. Its not going to be an easy 2nd half of the season, that's for sure!
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How did you manage to say in one sentence exactly that which took me half a page to write?Ilovelondontown said:
Agree, but trying to force a style of play on to players that you don’t have is stupid, it’s fine to have your playing principles but if you don’t have the right tools then adapt to what you have.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garner getting a fair bit of stick on here, but is he really the problem? I honestly feel that with the right backing he'd actually be a good manager for us.
Pretty obvious he's been stitched up by Sandgaard and not given what he wanted, and on top of that we've got a number of injuries to key players.
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Callumcafc said:
A good advertisement
"Come and make a bid for owning Charlton! You'll probably lose weight due to stress, you'll get frustrated, depressed and lose a lot of money but just pay up it'll be great!"0 -
I don’t believe we’d be in a much different place in the table if Garner had pulled the first XI out of a different shaped hat every week, had never practised any tactics at all and gave the same team talk of “play like you used to do in the school playground”, I reckon that’s enough to get you five miserably scrappy wins in THE SHITTY THIRD DIVISIONLeuth said:A lot of growing dissent against Garner.
But what tactics WOULD work WITH THESE PLAYERS? At least we put on a sustained performance in the second half and looked comfortable, even threatening at times (until calamity struck). At least he has a system of playing. The players look like they buy into it. Throw it in the bin and what then? Two banks of four, play direct? With what strikers, I ask?2 -
It still beggars belief that Kirk, from his wide position, can't see along the defensive line and time his run better.
Unless he's half-asleep, no winger in that position should allow himself to be caught offside at the moment the ball is played.
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Good news 7 points off playoffs, bad news 7 points off relegation1
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Probably didn't expect to get the ball.0
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JFK no longer available: had to retire, head injury.Silverdreammachine said:''Also, a lot of people praising Ness and Mitchell and damning Garner in the same breath. Who, I ask, had the foresight to pick both of those players and deploy them like that?''
Who else did Garner have available to pick then in those positions, please don't mention Lavelle we all know how poor he is. Surely JFK to start instead of Morgan, and Chuks for the first 50 mins or so. Also if you're going to field youngsters what was the matter with Kanu. Was CBT injured or ill?
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Stockport win 5-0 away today. Let's hope they spare us too much embarrassment on Wednesday.3
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Briston Addick said:
JFK no longer available: had to retire, head injury!
Sorry mate typo I mean't Jake Foster Caskey (JFC) in case you didn't realise!
Agree with Hoof-it-up, Stockport winning 5-0 away at Hartlepools
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Stockport are a well run club and in good form and we're a shambles at present.Silverdreammachine said:Briston Addick said:
JFK no longer available: had to retire, head injury!
Sorry mate typo I mean't Jake Foster Caskey (JFC) in case you didn't realise!
Agree with Hoof-it-up, Stockport winning 5-0 away at Hartlepools
doesn't look good for our no hopers on Wednesday!
Nobody will fear playing us especially with our comedy defending.
We surely can't get much worse...
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100%. agree with this!Ilovelondontown said:Agree, but trying to force a style of play on to players that you don’t have is stupid, it’s fine to have your playing principles but if you don’t have the right tools then adapt to what you have.0 -
There is belief that signings will be made in the January window, to correct the shortfalls in the squad, even Garner has bought into it. Quite simply TS will not spend a penny more and any signing will be a loan or a free, with all the risks that type of signing carries. I can see our injured players returning and wins being gained to bring the league position back to around mid table but then Sandgaards nous or lack of it will be found out again as we hit suspensions and another injury crisis to drag us towards the bottom four2
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What else can I have a moan about today .....?
Ah, yes. Set pieces.
Just about every successful side, no matter how expansive their style of football, scores goals from set pieces.
Corners, edge of the box direct free kicks - even indirect attacking free kicks, there's a little routine to conjure a chance out of nothing.
Our set pieces? Corners nearly always come to nothing. Free kicks invariably go backwards and get lost in the depths of midfield or hand the initiative to the opposition. We are either predictable or indecisive.
Certainly we appear to have little conviction of scoring a goal from set pieces or carry any real threat.
A strategy for winning penalty kicks is not in our repertoire either.
Other teams make it almost an art form and know how valuable scoring a goal from a penalty kick can be.
There are goals to be scored from set pieces - especially when you are struggling to break down packed defences from open play.
It could be the difference between snatching a narrow win or rescuing a point.
So ..... why don't we score goals from set pieces? Surely they get practiced at the training ground?
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We even struggle with throw ins at present.Oggy Red said:What else can I have a moan about today .....?
Ah, yes. Set pieces.
Just about every successful side, no matter how expansive their style of football, scores goals from set pieces.
Corners, edge of the box direct free kicks - even indirect attacking free kicks, there's a little routine to conjure a chance out of nothing.
Our set pieces? Corners nearly always come to nothing. Free kicks invariably go backwards and get lost in the depths of midfield or hand the initiative to the opposition. We are either predictable or indecisive.
Certainly we appear to have little conviction of scoring a goal from set pieces or carry any real threat.
A strategy for winning penalty kicks is not in our repertoire either.
Other teams make it almost an art form and know how valuable scoring a goal from a penalty kick can be.
There are goals to be scored from set pieces - especially when you are struggling to break down packed defences from open play.
It could be the difference between snatching a narrow win or rescuing a point.
So ..... why don't we score goals from set pieces? Surely they get practiced at the training ground?2 -
Oggy Red said:What else can I have a moan about today .....?
Ah, yes. Set pieces.
Just about every successful side, no matter how expansive their style of football, scores goals from set pieces.
Corners, edge of the box direct free kicks - even indirect attacking free kicks, there's a little routine to conjure a chance out of nothing.
Our set pieces? Corners nearly always come to nothing. Free kicks invariably go backwards and get lost in the depths of midfield or hand the initiative to the opposition. We are either predictable or indecisive.
Certainly we appear to have little conviction of scoring a goal from set pieces or carry any real threat.
A strategy for winning penalty kicks is not in our repertoire either.
Other teams make it almost an art form and know how valuable scoring a goal from a penalty kick can be.
There are goals to be scored from set pieces - especially when you are struggling to break down packed defences from open play.
It could be the difference between snatching a narrow win or rescuing a point.
So ..... why don't we score goals from set pieces? Surely they get practiced at the training ground?
Didn't Garner say back in preseason that "we don't/ haven't worked on set pieces"
Good to see it paying off now 🙃
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Have we played the most league and cup games this season (inc replays etc)?0
