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Post-Match Thread: CHARLTON ATHLETIC v CHELTENHAM TOWN / FRIDAY 2nd DECEMBER 2022 7.45pm KO

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  • edited December 2022
    wmcf123 said:
    Having injuries to key players affected Bowyer, Adkins, Jackson and now Garner.
    Not having certain positions covered for two years is ridiculous. Left back to name just one !

    Ben Garner is trying to get Chas and Dave to perform classical music at the Albert hall when maybe a good old knees up at Albert Square would be more fitting for this Charlton squad bereft of quality and numbers in so many positions.

    No I don't mean Hoof effing ball but quality diagonal balls with an ability to increase the tempo. Mix and bloody match.
    Who of the injured players would definitely have played last night ? 

    CBT (I assume he was ?) and Leaburn would have made a hell of a difference.
    Considering I'm a veteran of 1200 plus Cafc game live until the last season when I just saw 9 games at the valley winning 7 under JJ and had enough chances to win all 9.  I never thought we would start a game without one striker ! Play Kanu and Casey who at least will take up better positions in the box as they have been doing that since they were 6 years old.
  • We'll not get out of this league playing tippy tappy with average players. Whatever the plan was, rip it up and start again. Time to bring in some big units and play hoofball.
  • edited December 2022
    swordfish said:
    We'll not get out of this league playing tippy tappy with average players. Whatever the plan was, rip it up and start again. Time to bring in some big units and play hoofball.
    Sort of agree with this. With a Warnock type as manager, I reckon Stockley would get 15-20 goals in a season and quite a few individuals would be quickly jogged on. These players need a few rockets and job simplification, not cotton wool and a coaching exam every time they go on the pitch. 

    All moot though. TS ain't got the money for either a Warnock or an overhaul and a Warnock wouldn't touch us with a barge-pole. 


  • We was robbed by the officials again 

    erm err no
    Kirk is a bloody fool there. I know he had to check back at least once but even so he should of stayed onside. 
    Isnt surprising though, Kirk and nearly all our other wingers dont see it as a good game if they're not offside half a dozen times each week - Frustrating as thats been the case all season, and none of them have learnt
  • edited December 2022


    We was robbed by the officials again 

    erm err no
    Kirk is a bloody fool there. I know he had to check back at least once but even so he should of stayed onside. 

    What makes it worse is Kirk has the line in the grass and no one near him so he should allow at least a yard. Frustrating as he finished well.
  • Oggy Red said:
    I’m not sure how some people can say  Garner is a good manager and with right backing would do well. On what evidence? 

    no doubt he was stitched up by the chairman with thin squad but I’m sorry we should be preforming a lot better than this . I can’t even listen to his post match interviews anymore. Repetitive cringe. 

    He has to go imo. 
    Garner evidently has a vision of how he wants his teams to play.
    But that in itself doesn't make a good manager.

    At this level, most clubs' squads are lacking in a couple of positions and of course, a run of injuries will decimate any team.

    A good manager, however, will adapt his resources, formation and gameplan ..... we've rarely seen that with Garner though, generally persisting with his system even though he doesn't have sufficient specialist players to do the job.

    First definition of madness: doing the same thing over and over again - yet expecting a different outcome.

    It's a results business. A good manager sets up to get the results, however the style of football he wishes to play.
    For example, look how Chris Powell set up to win the division title, by first making us difficult to beat. 
    Imagine a Curbishley type manager coming in, he'd set up straight away for the result first, jam and cream later.

    Crikey, even Neil bloody Warnock would come in, grab the dressing room by the throat, and turn things round.

    Come on, Ben Garner, for now put your Man City type vision of football on ice.
    This is the Third Division, the reality.

    You've only got the players you've got.
    Get back to basics and just win games.
    While I agree with much of this, I don’t think we’ve got the players to play a more physical game. In fact, I’m pretty sure we haven’t.


  • We was robbed by the officials again 

    erm err no
    Kirk is a bloody fool there. I know he had to check back at least once but even so he should of stayed onside. 
    Isnt surprising though, Kirk and nearly all our other wingers dont see it as a good game if they're not offside half a dozen times each week - Frustrating as thats been the case all season, and none of them have learnt
    And that’s the nub of it for me.  Players that just aren’t consistently good or intelligent enough.  
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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    DOUCHER said:
    best we can hope for is varney's man comes in, invests in jan with a view to taking over at the end of the season and ts walks away with, a 'thanks for saving us but best for all parties if we say goodbye'  -  long drawn out transfer saga is not what we need although i guess its preferable to nothing 
    I hope that if we do get someone in via Varney, they understand how broken the club is and the size of the task at hand.  We can’t have another owner or owners coming into this thinking a few quid on some players, a new manager and we go again.  For want of a better analogy, given the house buying one has been done to death, realise you are taking on an old building that needs extensive work and it’s not going to be something you quickly do up and sell on.  If you want any sort of success you need to be prepared to be in it for years, and I do mean years 
    Wigan turned it round super quick.  A really good center back, center mid and center foward would make a massive difference.  A couple of other upgrades and 2 or 3 decent loans.  Away you go.

    That would involve spending some money and knowing what you’re doing though.
    Agreed - I don’t agree with cabbles - football can turn round very quickly but it’s these takeovers that drag on 
  • edited December 2022
    The tippy tappy bollocks is suicidal with the sort of senior experienced donkeys we've got at the back
    But a straight swap for hoofball is just as daft - we ain't got fit decent strikers either
    The answer, plain to all with open eyes and minds, was attempted by the likes of Clare and Sessegnon on Friday night.
    They tried more direct football by the wildly revolutionary tactic of running with the ball FFS - and stand by your beds it even worked some of the time!!  Just as if there's a couple of players out there who know their onions!  Unshackled by Garner's inadequacy the squad's not hopeless.
    Longer passing and direct football doesn't have to be lumping it straight to a lump.  Longer diagonal passes to wider players give the donkey defenders far bigger margin for error and crucially keep the ball away from our suicide zone.
    Garner's ego or idiocy (amounts to the same thing) prevents any such radical thinking tho.
    Garner's lumbered with an inadequate, fragile squad and a stubborn lack of vision or pragmatism.  I couldn't give a damn that he's undermining his own career I resent him using Charlton to do it.
    Every time he's opened his gob in the last month he's doubled down on what a clown he really is.  That guff about Lavelle a case in point.
    He's not even delivering Skintgaard's "high press attacking football" bollocks he's just pratting about achieving precisely naff all.
    We've the 2nd worst form in the division, this is not the time for fannying about and giving the halfwit any more time.
    There are successful intelligent coaches and managers working for Skintgaard, just look at the Women's team.
  • edited December 2022
    My post about hoofball wasn't based on any sound understanding of the game tbh. Perhaps I should take over the Club 🤣 To me, it always looks as though modern coaches seem to over complicate a simple game.
  • swordfish said:
    My post about hoofball wasn't based on any sound understanding of the game tbh. Perhaps I should take over the Club 🤣 To me, it always looks as though modern coaches seem to over complicate a simple game.
    You're not wrong....they do. 
  • A few weeks ago I was accused of 'flouncing off' when I said I've had enough of Charlton. It seems I'm now one of many. It will be a while before I 'flounce back in'. How sad 


  • You can't really flounce in, only out. Returning, eventually, usually involves creeping or sneaking. 
  • Hal1x said:
    Valley11 said:
    Just watched the highlights. What a mess and I don’t mean the abject defending and lack of desire. It’s the general treacle that’s seeped into every corner of the club and ground it to a halt. 

    This is the lowest I’ve felt in 35 years of supporting CAFC.

    Don't worry theres a lot lower we can still go....
    Told you!
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