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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Seems a better idea.KentishAddick said:
here we go again
No ticket give away to prevent others purchasing.
The vouchers requesting you arrive early (6pm) exchangeable for a ticket if you actually turn up.4 -
The home attendance on display vs Portsmouth will be beyond embaressing and even less people will be there than normal because its on TV and its a night game.
The overload of empty seats will be on par with MK dons.
Quite heart breaking in a way
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What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
Edit - No I don't agree with him and it won't work.
But it will save him a lot of money until he sells the club.
I feel he is low on cash if not shares/assets, which is why he's no longer going for the better option of trying to modestly fund a promotion attempt.5 -
So you're going?Dave2l said:The home attendance on display vs Portsmouth will be beyond embaressing and even less people will be there than normal because its on TV and its a night game.
The overload of empty seats will be on par with MK dons.
Quite heart breaking in a way2 -
Is it just me or are the majority moaning about the attendances the ones that aren't attending?11
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It always is. Blooming annoying. Get behind your team.Covered End said:Is it just me or are the majority moaning about the attendances the ones that aren't attending?4 -
Sorry, what I meant was would Sandgaard be cost cutting so furiously if promotion was on the cards? Imagine we were miraculously six points clear at the top (yes I know, impossible with this squad) would he not try to make the final push, and even shell out in the transfer window?robroy said:
TS is the reason why we are not top two or three. You get what you pay for and he’s not paid for anyone.JamesSeed said:Would this all be happening if we were top two or three?Anyone that sticks their head above the parapet and calls out something for what it is, is not being negative for the sake of it. Something does not add up.Look at all of the long standing members of staff just sacked, left or resigned!No smoke without fire.Totally hypothetical I know.0 -
OK, so how do you think he'll be able to increase revenue ? Continuing to increase ticket prices each tear ? Hmmm, that went well this time round. Hospitality ? Isn't the take up already poor compared to previous seasons, mainly due to value for money. Shirt sponsorship ? Have you seen how few have been taken up thus far this season ? Mega events staged at The Valley ? Possibly one per close season but that would be about it IMO.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He talks the talk, but hasn't the foggiest how to walk the walk.
I'd far rather listen to the words of someone who knows much more than any of us do - a certain Airman Brown.
Break even in L1 or indeed the Championship ? You're having a laugh !
Finally, the staff redundancies & cost saving measures....Haven't you read the testaments on here regarding the lack of balls, kits AND coaches at our respected Academy ? Club being run by a skeleton staff with no guarantees of replacements and no micro managing RM now on site ( though some might say thank the feck!) Who is in charge on a daily basis these days ? And how long before the cutbacks in this area start to directly affect the faithful ?
I honestly can't believe you've made that post, CE.
Oh & don't forget that loan from a fan recently. Why on earth would this successful business man need that only a couple of months into a new season ?
Answers on a pc, please.9 -
The budget cuts to the youth academy are a massive insult to the fans that have spent thousands towards Valley Gold and continue to do so out of love to our club.
TS is consistently finding as many ways as possible to upset our fans that give him their hard earned money.5 -
I think you're assuming I agree with what TS said. I don't.Fanny Fanackapan said:
OK, so how do you think he'll be able to increase revenue ? Continuing to increase ticket prices each tear ? Hmmm, that went well this time round. Hospitality ? Isn't the take up already poor compared to previous seasons, mainly due to value for money. Shirt sponsorship ? Have you seen how few have been taken up thus far this season ? Mega events staged at The Valley ? Possibly one per close season but that would be about it IMO.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He talks the talk, but hasn't the foggiest how to walk the walk.
I'd far rather listen to the words of someone who knows much more than any of us do - a certain Airman Brown.
Break even in L1 or indeed the Championship ? You're having a laugh !
Finally, the staff redundancies & cost saving measures....Haven't you read the testaments on here regarding the lack of balls, kits AND coaches at our respected Academy ? Club being run by a skeleton staff with no guarantees of replacements and no micro managing RM now on site ( though some might say thank the feck!) Who is in charge on a daily basis these days ? And how long before the cutbacks in this area start to directly affect the faithful ?
I honestly can't believe you've made that post, CE.
Oh & don't forget that loan from a fan recently. Why on earth would this successful business man need that only a couple of months into a new season ?
Answers on a pc, please.
I doubt he will increase revenue.
I agree with everything you say.
I simply repeated what I believe TS said was his latest strategy.
His strategy is wrong.8 -
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But it’s obvious it’s the same Geezer 🤷♀️T_C_E said:
He’s a successful businessman I’m guessing he’s using it for that reason, to my knowledge he has 3 accounts.KBslittlesis said:
Not sure I understand why he’s created another Twitter account to talk about it though.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
Look back at recent tweets from this account and you'll know for sure. Should be interesting to see what happens next.Covered End said:I think I know who nutting2c is and if I'm correct he's well known to many on CL and is definitely well informed.
Pretty obvious who it is 🤷♀️0 -
Mea culpa then CE.Covered End said:
I think you're assuming I agree with what TS said. I don't.Fanny Fanackapan said:
OK, so how do you think he'll be able to increase revenue ? Continuing to increase ticket prices each tear ? Hmmm, that went well this time round. Hospitality ? Isn't the take up already poor compared to previous seasons, mainly due to value for money. Shirt sponsorship ? Have you seen how few have been taken up thus far this season ? Mega events staged at The Valley ? Possibly one per close season but that would be about it IMO.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He talks the talk, but hasn't the foggiest how to walk the walk.
I'd far rather listen to the words of someone who knows much more than any of us do - a certain Airman Brown.
Break even in L1 or indeed the Championship ? You're having a laugh !
Finally, the staff redundancies & cost saving measures....Haven't you read the testaments on here regarding the lack of balls, kits AND coaches at our respected Academy ? Club being run by a skeleton staff with no guarantees of replacements and no micro managing RM now on site ( though some might say thank the feck!) Who is in charge on a daily basis these days ? And how long before the cutbacks in this area start to directly affect the faithful ?
I honestly can't believe you've made that post, CE.
Oh & don't forget that loan from a fan recently. Why on earth would this successful business man need that only a couple of months into a new season ?
Answers on a pc, please.
I doubt he will increase revenue.
I agree with everything you say.
I simply repeated what I believe TS said was his latest strategy.
His strategy is wrong.
Seems we're singing from the same hymn sheet after all...phew !1 -
Agree. If fans won’t turn up for free to back ‘their team’ when will they come?AFKABartram said:
What’s the problem with this? They are clearly Community 500 tickets that are distributed via the Community Trust departments.KentishAddick said:here we go againOur fans are not buying tickets. On Tuesday we had 6,000 home fans spread around 24,000 home seats.I’m dreading advertising on TV on Monday just how empty our ground is and personally I’d flood the West Stand with freebies so it doesn’t look so bad.If you’re anti-Sangaard, you can come and support the team without lining his pockets.
it’s all about results - people will never be honest with themselves1 -
No problemFanny Fanackapan said:
Mea culpa then CE.Covered End said:
I think you're assuming I agree with what TS said. I don't.Fanny Fanackapan said:
OK, so how do you think he'll be able to increase revenue ? Continuing to increase ticket prices each tear ? Hmmm, that went well this time round. Hospitality ? Isn't the take up already poor compared to previous seasons, mainly due to value for money. Shirt sponsorship ? Have you seen how few have been taken up thus far this season ? Mega events staged at The Valley ? Possibly one per close season but that would be about it IMO.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He talks the talk, but hasn't the foggiest how to walk the walk.
I'd far rather listen to the words of someone who knows much more than any of us do - a certain Airman Brown.
Break even in L1 or indeed the Championship ? You're having a laugh !
Finally, the staff redundancies & cost saving measures....Haven't you read the testaments on here regarding the lack of balls, kits AND coaches at our respected Academy ? Club being run by a skeleton staff with no guarantees of replacements and no micro managing RM now on site ( though some might say thank the feck!) Who is in charge on a daily basis these days ? And how long before the cutbacks in this area start to directly affect the faithful ?
I honestly can't believe you've made that post, CE.
Oh & don't forget that loan from a fan recently. Why on earth would this successful business man need that only a couple of months into a new season ?
Answers on a pc, please.
I doubt he will increase revenue.
I agree with everything you say.
I simply repeated what I believe TS said was his latest strategy.
His strategy is wrong.
Seems we're singing from the same hymn sheet after all...phew !
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Actually, I sent TS a tweet after the admission prices were announced.
I told him his campaign to "Fill The Valley" now appeared to be a campaign "To Empty The Valley".
I told him he was wrong, would actually lose revenue and should reverse his decision immediately.3 -
Amen to that.oohaahmortimer said:Kin ell , just got to read the shit on here to remind yourself there's more fruit loops in this world than you'd care to imagine .
We're a proper odd bunch
The "he hasn't spent anything" comments are off the charts insane. Thigs have been royally fucked up, but to suggest the bloke hasn't spent anything or is tight is fruitloop batshit crazy.15 -
Bet he got back to you in the blink of an eye ....Covered End said:Actually, I sent TS a tweet after the admission prices were announced.
I told him his campaign to "Fill The Valley" now appeared to be a campaign "To Empty The Valley".
I told him he was wrong, would actually lose revenue and should reverse his decision immediately.0 -
No reply (wasn't expecting one tbh).Fanny Fanackapan said:
Bet he got back to you in the blink of an eye ....Covered End said:Actually, I sent TS a tweet after the admission prices were announced.
I told him his campaign to "Fill The Valley" now appeared to be a campaign "To Empty The Valley".
I told him he was wrong, would actually lose revenue and should reverse his decision immediately.0 -
That figure of £16m is current to the end of September. Only £12m of it had been put into the club six months ago. £1.15m of it was also spent on acquiring the club, which had £400k in its coffers. TS used a figure of £20m recently - there’s no other evidence for it. It might represent a projection to the end of the season, although we know he made £2m in transfer profit over the summer.Covered End said:k
Robroy the accounts were out last week.robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of things
We saw them, presumably you did not.
They are what we know about. They are fact.
TS has loaned I think it was £16M in 2 years and is probably in for about £20M now (at a guess).
This why it wouldn't be a massive surprise if ideally he wanted £25M because he'll have possibly lent that amount by the time a sale is concluded (don't believe he'll get anywhere near that).
There are people willing to help him walk away but he isn’t getting £25m, in my opinion. He can choose to carry on losing more money if he prefers that. He’s never going to succeed.22 -
I don’t know if the club is losing £8m, but let’s say it is. You can only save £2m with significant cuts to the first-team budget, which in turn means you are unlikely to increase revenue full stop, never mind £2m. Ticket revenue will be falling. Maybe you can put £500k on commercial income if you’re lucky.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He won’t make his numbers this year and he has zero chance of doing it next year. His only route to break even is selling young players, so that is nailed on.16 -
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...but for that be a reliable way to make money we would need to produce a Burstow/Lookman level player every season, and that isn't a given. Perhaps less so now he's cutting academy budgets.Airman Brown said:
He won’t make his numbers this year and he has zero chance of doing it next year. His only route to break even is selling young players, so that is nailed on.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He might do it this season if Prem clubs start sniffing around Leaburn.0 -
Roland had a plan until the rules on financial fair play changed.
Sandgaard had a plan until he failed to get Academy Cat 1.
That is the essence imo.14 -
Well he's sold Burstow and got a sell on for Pope. Leaburn will be next.CAFCTrev said:
...but for that be a reliable way to make money we would need to produce a Burstow/Lookman level player every season, and that isn't a given. Perhaps less so now he's cutting academy budgets.Airman Brown said:
He won’t make his numbers this year and he has zero chance of doing it next year. His only route to break even is selling young players, so that is nailed on.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He might do it this season if Prem clubs start sniffing around Leaburn.
Aaron Henry is still only 19 but needs more minutes then he could be sold. Then obviously there's Kanu. Not sure about other prospects but Ness, Adigun and Anderson always seem to get good reports. I'm pretty sure i read Adigun had PL clubs sniffing around last year before he signed a pro deal with us, but he only signed a 2 year deal so can leave in 2024. Elerewe seemed to go backwards after looking promising when first playing in the first team.
I think because of our catchment area and reputation we'll always get a few good kids, but like you say finding 1 each season who's worth enough to make a dent in the losses will be tough.0 -
Agreed.Airman Brown said:
I don’t know if the club is losing £8m, but let’s say it is. You can only save £2m with significant cuts to the first-team budget, which in turn means you are unlikely to increase revenue full stop, never mind £2m. Ticket revenue will be falling. Maybe you can put £500k on commercial income if you’re lucky.Covered End said:
What does not add up?robroy said:
I’ve seen the accounts. It just does not add up, there are far too many negative stories coming out of the club from multiple sources.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Check our accounts and see how much the club loses each year. Who do you think covers those losses?robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of thingsI would love to be wrong.But sadly there is no smoke without fire.
What are you hinting at, but not saying?
The club is losing £8M pa and TS has said he's attempting to reduce expenditure by £2M this year and increase revenue by £2M to halve the loss to £4M.
He has said he plans for the same next year to be able to reach break even.
So yes there are loads of redundancies and cost saving measures.
He won’t make his numbers this year and he has zero chance of doing it next year. His only route to break even is selling young players, so that is nailed on.0 -
What sane businessman would get into this crazy business. I didn’t realize the losses until I saw a post about the release of the accounts. You’re pissing money out the window and have a disgruntled fanbase on your back and the attendances have dwindled. Fuck that.
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But Sandgaard must still be putting serious money in as the club runs at a considerable loss? Those losses are likely higher due to his own ill-convinced ideas, particularly around ticketing, but people saying he hasn’t put any money in cannot be accurate. I would guess that the ridiculous cuts to things like the Academy budget are him trying to reduce outgoings as much as he possibly can to limit how much he needs to put in, but I would guess it’s still a fair whack each month.Airman Brown said:
That figure of £16m is current to the end of September. Only £12m of it had been put into the club six months ago. £1.15m of it was also spent on acquiring the club, which had £400k in its coffers. TS used a figure of £20m recently - there’s no other evidence for it. It might represent a projection to the end of the season, although we know he made £2m in transfer profit over the summer.Covered End said:k
Robroy the accounts were out last week.robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of things
We saw them, presumably you did not.
They are what we know about. They are fact.
TS has loaned I think it was £16M in 2 years and is probably in for about £20M now (at a guess).
This why it wouldn't be a massive surprise if ideally he wanted £25M because he'll have possibly lent that amount by the time a sale is concluded (don't believe he'll get anywhere near that).
There are people willing to help him walk away but he isn’t getting £25m, in my opinion. He can choose to carry on losing more money if he prefers that. He’s never going to succeed.3 -
Do you believe reports he wants £25m are accurate?Airman Brown said:
That figure of £16m is current to the end of September. Only £12m of it had been put into the club six months ago. £1.15m of it was also spent on acquiring the club, which had £400k in its coffers. TS used a figure of £20m recently - there’s no other evidence for it. It might represent a projection to the end of the season, although we know he made £2m in transfer profit over the summer.Covered End said:k
Robroy the accounts were out last week.robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of things
We saw them, presumably you did not.
They are what we know about. They are fact.
TS has loaned I think it was £16M in 2 years and is probably in for about £20M now (at a guess).
This why it wouldn't be a massive surprise if ideally he wanted £25M because he'll have possibly lent that amount by the time a sale is concluded (don't believe he'll get anywhere near that).
There are people willing to help him walk away but he isn’t getting £25m, in my opinion. He can choose to carry on losing more money if he prefers that. He’s never going to succeed.0 -
Groundhog dayAirman Brown said:
That figure of £16m is current to the end of September. Only £12m of it had been put into the club six months ago. £1.15m of it was also spent on acquiring the club, which had £400k in its coffers. TS used a figure of £20m recently - there’s no other evidence for it. It might represent a projection to the end of the season, although we know he made £2m in transfer profit over the summer.Covered End said:k
Robroy the accounts were out last week.robroy said:All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.
what else has gone on?We are in serious trouble by the sounds of things
We saw them, presumably you did not.
They are what we know about. They are fact.
TS has loaned I think it was £16M in 2 years and is probably in for about £20M now (at a guess).
This why it wouldn't be a massive surprise if ideally he wanted £25M because he'll have possibly lent that amount by the time a sale is concluded (don't believe he'll get anywhere near that).
There are people willing to help him walk away but he isn’t getting £25m, in my opinion. He can choose to carry on losing more money if he prefers that. He’s never going to succeed.4 -
I think it is understandable that Sandgaard is ignorant when it comes to football but the issue is surely that he seems to think he knows it all. In terms of Duchatelet, he made many mistakes. He bought us to prove a theory that didn't work, not just for us but other clubs, and we were well placed to move forwards with a bit of support and less interference. Both knew better than to support those that knew what they were doing to get on with it. They had to interfere with flawed plans. Their flawed plans.DamoNorthStand said:My views have not changed from what I was saying 6-12 months ago. I was slated by many for all of the below statement - I would guess half of it will now be accepted:
1) TS is a bit of a Wally running a football club. He’s not an idiot. He’s built a successful business in another field - but he doesn’t and never did know how to run a professional sports team. He was always going to be found out - and has indeed shown to be out of his depth. No conspiracy, no Roland link. He doesn’t know what he was doing and coupled with the apparent lack of funds and it’s the most dangerous situation we could have.
The above is why we are sinking on the pitch and that will ultimately dictate our commercial success off it
2) Roland wasn’t a Wally. Roland was a seemingly (I never met him) very unpleasant person. But I haven’t changed my view - he was a nasty piece of work who knew more about running a football club.
That knowledge translated into on field performance. Squad and recruitment wise (and standard of football) was head and shoulders clear of where we are now.
Neither option was perfect - but I would hazard a guess that if RD was still here and had maintained his distance from all of us to just support the team - we would have been better off than we are now.
Lets just hope option 3 transpires.
No Roland. No TS. New start.1 -
Covered End said:Is it just me or are the majority moaning about the attendances the ones that aren't attending?
I'm going to games next year from January to March when my personal schedule eases up
I can't attend at the moment because I work 6 days a week which covers Saturdays and im bloody exhausted0
