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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,288
    edited September 2022
    Managed 43 games in L1
    Won 8
    Drawn 13
    Lost 22
    Points 37
    Out of his depth in L1 by those stats.

    We are his third managerial role. He is yet to stay anywhere a year.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    NOT HIS FAULT 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Managed 43 games in L1
    Won 8
    Drawn 13
    Lost 22
    Points 37
    Out of his depth in L1 by those stats.

    We are his third managerial role. He is yet to stay anywhere a year.


    nothing like a bit of spin!! Bristol rovers sacked, granted.

     Swindon, he would be in year 2 of his second job if Charlton as a more attractive proposition didn't come along.

    charlton, he will be here longer than a year
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Managed 43 games in L1
    Won 8
    Drawn 13
    Lost 22
    Points 37
    Out of his depth in L1 by those stats.

    We are his third managerial role. He is yet to stay anywhere a year.
    Win is his next 3 and he has a chance of staying up. Might need results to go his way
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,006
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Managed 43 games in L1
    Won 8
    Drawn 13
    Lost 22
    Points 37
    Out of his depth in L1 by those stats.

    We are his third managerial role. He is yet to stay anywhere a year.
    Win is his next 3 and he has a chance of staying up. Might need results to go his way
    But young Sandgaard told his dad that he would be perfect, and we have been told that he knows all about football 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
    ross1 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Managed 43 games in L1
    Won 8
    Drawn 13
    Lost 22
    Points 37
    Out of his depth in L1 by those stats.

    We are his third managerial role. He is yet to stay anywhere a year.
    Win is his next 3 and he has a chance of staying up. Might need results to go his way
    But young Sandgaard told his dad that he would be perfect, and we have been told that he knows all about football 
    My post was attempted humour. 43 games managed in league 1, 46 in a season.....

    the fact that I'm trying to explain says it all. I expect more tumbleweed to pass in front of me
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,079
    Underwhelming appointment is unsurprisingly turning out to be underwhelming

    I don't think he'll last long
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,482
    BigRedEvil said:
    Underwhelming appointment is unsurprisingly turning out to be underwhelming

    I don't think he'll last long
     Quite honestly, where would Sandgaard go next?
    He's fu*ked up every appointment he's made
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,411
    I reckon the Oxford game is his last chance to keep fans onside. It’s all wearing a bit thin now. 
  • SmileLikePender
    SmileLikePender Posts: 28
    I think we've signed about 8 players and three of those are permanent deals with players from Swindon, yet the general consensus is that Garner doesn't have any input on player signings?

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  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,482
    SmileLikePender said:
    I think we've signed about 8 players and three of those are permanent deals with players from Swindon, yet the general consensus is that Garner doesn't have any input on player signings?
     And that's because Sandgaard and his scouting man (son) haven't got the first clue about spotting talent so they handed much of it to Garner.
    As I said earlier, quite where they'd go after sacking Garner would be interesting.
    I think we've got a fair old way to go before it happens for that very reason.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    SmileLikePender said:
    I think we've signed about 8 players and three of those are permanent deals with players from Swindon, yet the general consensus is that Garner doesn't have any input on player signings?
    If your homeless and you pick up 3 £1 coins off the floor do you have any input to your income?
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,258
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    Taking CBT off today and replacing with Kirk. For a moment I thought the Barnsley manager was in charge of our substitutions. 

     
    It doesn’t matter, neither are good enough.  This is the problem.  We don’t have good enough players.  The only thing I can critique BG on so far is the fact he said he watched all our games last season and decided to play Stockley up top in a 3 in this possession based style.  Stockley can’t run the channels, has the touch of Bambi on ice and is only effective getting on the end of crosses.  If he said he watched all those games, you wouldn’t get Stockley to play that role.

    I also think he’s been very naive to think players of the quality of Inniss, Lavelle and O’Connell can build a game from the back, and his commitment to his possession style in general.  

    Apart from that I would say he’s had to bring in players on a paltry budget, working for a deluded owner in an unstable football club.  

    It’s unlikely to turn round for him with the players we have, it’s just a case of how bad it gets with them under him now for me.    
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,169
    edited September 2022
    Garner sounding like Jackson, sounding like Adkins, sounding like Bowyer.

    All of them spinning the same record.
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,602
    I'm starting to think my almost tongue in cheek comment back when he first came was he'd be gone by November...... I can see TS pulling the trigger. Just like all those before him, would be harsh.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,618
    Rob7Lee said:
    I'm starting to think my almost tongue in cheek comment back when he first came was he'd be gone by November...... I can see TS pulling the trigger. Just like all those before him, would be harsh.
    Would be mad. If you sign a Manager as you want him to play a certain way then you have to give him the right tools for the job.
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,602
    LargeAddick said:
    Rob7Lee said:
    I'm starting to think my almost tongue in cheek comment back when he first came was he'd be gone by November...... I can see TS pulling the trigger. Just like all those before him, would be harsh.
    Would be mad. If you sign a Manager as you want him to play a certain way then you have to give him the right tools for the job.
    Absolutely, but in TS we have another egotistical madman. He'll be blaming Garner 100%, yet we all know where the issues lie, I never thought it was Jackson and I don't think it's Garner. The problem is the owner, just like it was with RD.
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,411
    The solution is simple. 
    Jojo
    clare Lavelle O’Connell sessy 
    fraser Dobbo Payne 
    Rak Leaburn Stockley CBT

    In a traditional 4-4-2. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,975
    Valiantphil said:
    The solution is simple. 
    Jojo
    clare Lavelle O’Connell sessy 
    fraser Dobbo Payne 
    Rak Leaburn Stockley CBT

    In a traditional 4-4-2. 
    Sneak a couple more on, if you're going to break the rules, you may as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb. 
  • IR94
    IR94 Posts: 768
    decent attacking coach, horrific at teaching teams to defender as shown by his past records 

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  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    Difficult to see how this is going to end well for Charlton, or Garner. A slow drift downwards and in or around, the relegation zone by the end of October and sacked soon after.

    Just hoping that TS goes because we aren’t going anywhere but even lower leagues under his appalling stewardship.

    Unless he is consulting his spreadsheets as I type…… 
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    I’m cutting BG some slack as he has clearly been sold a pig in a poke by Sandgaard but I have to say I don’t find him totally convincing. 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,741
    edited September 2022
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    Taking CBT off today and replacing with Kirk. For a moment I thought the Barnsley manager was in charge of our substitutions. 

     
    CBT is one of the most overrated players in this squad. Yes he has pace but how often does he provide an end product? 

    He's probably one of our better players, but the way some people hype him up is madness.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
    Croydon said:
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    Taking CBT off today and replacing with Kirk. For a moment I thought the Barnsley manager was in charge of our substitutions. 

     
    CBT is one of the most overrated players in this squad. Yes he has pace but how often does he provide an end product? 

    He's probably one of our better players, but the way some people hype him up is madness.
    He hasn't got a brain and lacks football intelligence, that's why he fits in with our squad 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,288
    Our squad is not top 6 but it certainly is not 16 in L1.  Garner is underperforming the weak hand he was given.  
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,645
    He’s been sold short. Not enough ambition with recruitment and no senior striker who can play Garners system. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,333
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Our squad is not top 6 but it certainly is not 16 in L1.  Garner is underperforming the weak hand he was given.  
    Let’s not get silly. Garner is the hope of a serious way forward. The Club are at least aiming to play attractive football and he needs a minimum of two more windows.
    I for one do not want a return to hoof it forward football so I am content to let him get on with it.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,258
    Croydon said:
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    Taking CBT off today and replacing with Kirk. For a moment I thought the Barnsley manager was in charge of our substitutions. 

     
    CBT is one of the most overrated players in this squad. Yes he has pace but how often does he provide an end product? 

    He's probably one of our better players, but the way some people hype him up is madness.
    100% bang on.  And the fact he’s one of our ‘better players’ speaks volumes
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,751
    Redrobo said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Our squad is not top 6 but it certainly is not 16 in L1.  Garner is underperforming the weak hand he was given.  
    Let’s not get silly. Garner is the hope of a serious way forward. The Club are at least aiming to play attractive football and he needs a minimum of two more windows.
    I for one do not want a return to hoof it forward football so I am content to let him get on with it.
    If hoof ball is the way to get out of this league, I woud be all for it. But of course it needn't be.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,384
    edited September 2022
    I have a feeling Ben's very open approach to defending wasn't punished anywhere near as much in League Two because the quality of finishing is poor. In League One it is getting punished more frequently. I don't see any attempts to address it. We allow so much space around our box and are happy to leave players forward even when we're under pressure. 

    That's this team's biggest problem, we can't do well if we continue to concede in every game. I think the continuous 3/10 performances by Stockley are really distracting from the problem at the other end of the pitch. If we had a striker who fit the system, this would still be holding us back. It's very difficult to win games when you have to score 2-4 goals every time. 

    You obviously can't blame Garner for Jayden, he's stuck with him for the time being, but our defensive record is very much on him.

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