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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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I think it was Clayden piss balling about that cost us the 2nd goal.SoundAsa£ said:Kirk stunk the place out……he was also largely responsible for their second goal.1 -
Kirk gave the ball away needlessly and I don't think we got another touch on it until they scoredricky_otto said:
I think it was Clayden piss balling about that cost us the 2nd goal.SoundAsa£ said:Kirk stunk the place out……he was also largely responsible for their second goal.2 -
Clayden was the first goal. The entire defence the second.JohnnyH2 said:
Kirk gave the ball away needlessly and I don't think we got another touch on it until they scoredricky_otto said:
I think it was Clayden piss balling about that cost us the 2nd goal.SoundAsa£ said:Kirk stunk the place out……he was also largely responsible for their second goal.1 -
What’s this Terrel Thomas chap all about? Opinions?0
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Nixon has a story on us tomorrow.0
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I think that's pretty fair though. Even Guardiola took a year (and 3 windows) to shape the City squad how he wanted it.RonnieMoore said:Interesting from BG when he said it’s going to take another two windows to get the squad the way we want it to look with the style of play we want to play
But Garner can't do that without backing. We're relying on our squad remaining injury-free (which already isn't happening) or at least 3 youngsters proving they're already up to the task. Leaburn is one, but we're likely going to need more.1 -
Good interview that, i like the honesty.LouisMend said:
Probably needs to watch what he says though as i can't imagine TS will like his manager basically saying 'i've not been given the tools i need'.
Also liked the honesty of Brown and Curbs on Charlton TV.5 -
I must admit, when I saw those comments from @sage, I was quite glad. He knows his onions and generally I consider him to be quite patient and positive when it comes to the playing side of things, but it’s a bit of a wake up call imoFanny Fanackapan said:Glad I'm not the only one to feel this way and especially relieved that Sage is the one to echo my thoughts.
TS has totally left BG up the creek without a paddle IMO.
He'll want the gaffer to put more youngsters in the team , putting them out there and encouraging bids for their services as he did with Burstow.
That's one of the only ways to recoup some of his outlay.1 -
Sage did say last year that Dobson and Clare were not of the required standard, and yet they became two of our best players.cabbles said:
I must admit, when I saw those comments from @sage, I was quite glad. He knows his onions and generally I consider him to be quite patient and positive when it comes to the playing side of things, but it’s a bit of a wake up call imoFanny Fanackapan said:Glad I'm not the only one to feel this way and especially relieved that Sage is the one to echo my thoughts.
TS has totally left BG up the creek without a paddle IMO.
He'll want the gaffer to put more youngsters in the team , putting them out there and encouraging bids for their services as he did with Burstow.
That's one of the only ways to recoup some of his outlay.
Maybe he is right and the fact they are our better players shows that we are way off the standard we need to be.3 -
Dobson and Clare aren’t the problem. This team would be improved a lot more by signing the right striker than it would by replacing Dobson and Clare with better players in their positions.FishCostaFortune said:
Sage did say last year that Dobson and Clare were not of the required standard, and yet they became two of our best players.cabbles said:
I must admit, when I saw those comments from @sage, I was quite glad. He knows his onions and generally I consider him to be quite patient and positive when it comes to the playing side of things, but it’s a bit of a wake up call imoFanny Fanackapan said:Glad I'm not the only one to feel this way and especially relieved that Sage is the one to echo my thoughts.
TS has totally left BG up the creek without a paddle IMO.
He'll want the gaffer to put more youngsters in the team , putting them out there and encouraging bids for their services as he did with Burstow.
That's one of the only ways to recoup some of his outlay.
Maybe he is right and the fact they are our better players shows that we are way off the standard we need to be.
That’s not to say Stockley is the only weakness, I feel we need a better CB and in midfield while Fraser is scoring goals Morgan isn’t a goal threat. Had he scored that chance yesterday it might have been a very different game.0 - Sponsored links:
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I assume all he was talking about was the DJ deal collapsingScoham said:Nixon has a story on us tomorrow.
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Morgan should have picked a spot, probably low to the keepers right, and drilled the ball there but he just hit and hoped and put it in the most perfect place for the keeper. He probably was thinking, get it on target and whilst that is sometimes what you should do, a more composed finisher would score from there or at least demand a great save from the keeper.
CBT balooned the ball over the bar which happens. But the problem is, if you compile his chances, it happens 99% of the time. Again, zero compusure and how do you coach composure into a player?0 -
I saw Mansfield fans whinging on twitter after we released our statement that our business was done.killerandflash said:
I assume all he was talking about was the DJ deal collapsingScoham said:Nixon has a story on us tomorrow.
Can understand their frustrations, but equally... Thats what happens when you risk leaving things until the last minute - Sounds like it was QPR as well that changed the terms of everything, so they can fume over them2 -
He really is a donkey. I'm glad Sage said it. I haven't enjoyed watching Jayden play at the best of times and this current run is painful.
He's not a Charlton striker. We have to do better.9 -
I actually thought Stockley did okay at what he does second half (after being dominated the first half) and I think reference to him as a Donkey is slightly unfair. I counted 6 times in the first 10 or so minutes where he dropped in deep won a tricky ball under pressure and distributed it well.
If you’re a donkey you can’t do that.
However I’m convinced that’s not really the attributes that Garner wants his main CF to play with, and it’s certainly pointless in this formation when both our wingers are pushed up high and wide and there’s no quick out ball into the centre behind the centre backs when we get it out to them.2 -
Santos not only had Stockley in his pocket but was allowed to be very influential in possession. And I am a Stockley supporter. He doesn't suit this system though unless he is up against weak defenders. He was far too isolated as he has been for much of the season.1
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Lovely to see the youngsters given a chance, if they can be gradually introduced to a moderately competent team.
However, if we are going to be forced into playing them due to injuries and general weaknesses it won't end well Remember in 2020 playing up to four lads whose squad numbers were 40 and above and it was disastrous.
I can't remember the individuals per performance as such, but a quick check of the squad numbers reveals
40 Brendan Wiredu
43 Toby Stevenson
44 Josh Davison
45 Alfie Doughty
46 James Vennings
48 Aaron Henry.
I doubt they were mortally injured by their experience, although confidence would have been dented. Meanwhile, we as a team really suffered and I'm pretty sure it was part of the reason Conor Gallagher was withdrawn by Chelsea. Not sure if the Sandgaard clan will take this on board while their eyes are so firmly fixed on the cost cutting exercise.
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As much as they are two players that are the least of our worries, Dobsons main attributes are smashing people and ball retention, for how we want to play I am not sure if he suits Garners system. Only issue with Dobbo is it’s all well and good he is great at what he does, but when we need results he doesn’t offer much, he is more noticeable when we are up against it cause he will run in and ram someone off the ball, when most of our squad don’t have that in them, Charlton fans love someone who tackles like that. Sunderland fans don’t rate him at all and I’d say they are fairly grounded fans. As I said though he is nowhere near a concern right nowFishCostaFortune said:
Sage did say last year that Dobson and Clare were not of the required standard, and yet they became two of our best players.cabbles said:
I must admit, when I saw those comments from @sage, I was quite glad. He knows his onions and generally I consider him to be quite patient and positive when it comes to the playing side of things, but it’s a bit of a wake up call imoFanny Fanackapan said:Glad I'm not the only one to feel this way and especially relieved that Sage is the one to echo my thoughts.
TS has totally left BG up the creek without a paddle IMO.
He'll want the gaffer to put more youngsters in the team , putting them out there and encouraging bids for their services as he did with Burstow.
That's one of the only ways to recoup some of his outlay.
Maybe he is right and the fact they are our better players shows that we are way off the standard we need to be.
as for Clare, I’m still not quite sure, when we are up against a proper side he does struggle at right back, there’s a player there but i’m not sure he has the required athleticism for an effective full back, I believe his place is in that midfield and that’s where he wants to be, problem is who makes way and we don’t really have anyone to play right back until Egbo is back. I rate Karl Robinson, as much as he gets some bad reviews he’s made Oxford a real competitive, promotion chasing side in this league for 3 seasons straight, he deemed Clare not good enough for his squad and couldn’t find a place for him in Midfield or at right back. Without being a snob if we want to be getting out of this league we need to have a better squad than a side like Oxford. I look at their team and they have a handful of players that just walk into this team.3 -
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He did, but I think he’s in his 40’s, might have lost a yard of pace now though.Rothko said:Didn’t Yann sign as a free agent?
Would probably still get in the team lol
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Wasn't it the case that Robinson wanted Clare to play right back, and Clare wanted to play in midfield, hence he left?Braziliance said:
As much as they are two players that are the least of our worries, Dobsons main attributes are smashing people and ball retention, for how we want to play I am not sure if he suits Garners system. Only issue with Dobbo is it’s all well and good he is great at what he does, but when we need results he doesn’t offer much, he is more noticeable when we are up against it cause he will run in and ram someone off the ball, when most of our squad don’t have that in them, Charlton fans love someone who tackles like that. Sunderland fans don’t rate him at all and I’d say they are fairly grounded fans. As I said though he is nowhere near a concern right nowFishCostaFortune said:
Sage did say last year that Dobson and Clare were not of the required standard, and yet they became two of our best players.cabbles said:
I must admit, when I saw those comments from @sage, I was quite glad. He knows his onions and generally I consider him to be quite patient and positive when it comes to the playing side of things, but it’s a bit of a wake up call imoFanny Fanackapan said:Glad I'm not the only one to feel this way and especially relieved that Sage is the one to echo my thoughts.
TS has totally left BG up the creek without a paddle IMO.
He'll want the gaffer to put more youngsters in the team , putting them out there and encouraging bids for their services as he did with Burstow.
That's one of the only ways to recoup some of his outlay.
Maybe he is right and the fact they are our better players shows that we are way off the standard we need to be.
as for Clare, I’m still not quite sure, when we are up against a proper side he does struggle at right back, there’s a player there but i’m not sure he has the required athleticism for an effective full back, I believe his place is in that midfield and that’s where he wants to be, problem is who makes way and we don’t really have anyone to play right back until Egbo is back. I rate Karl Robinson, as much as he gets some bad reviews he’s made Oxford a real competitive, promotion chasing side in this league for 3 seasons straight, he deemed Clare not good enough for his squad and couldn’t find a place for him in Midfield or at right back. Without being a snob if we want to be getting out of this league we need to have a better squad than a side like Oxford. I look at their team and they have a handful of players that just walk into this team.
Personally I think he's a perfect acceptable modern right back, and better there than in midfield. To me an issue with 433 (and 4231) formations though, is that it's less clear than in the traditional 442 who is meant to support the full back in defensive duties. If it one of the midfield 3, or is it the wide attacker, and do we really want JRS busting a gut to do his defensive duties, when he seems to be one player who looks like creating a goal.1 - Sponsored links:
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Agreed don’t think he was that bad yesterday by a long way he won headers and laid the ball of very well , again got no protection from the ref as BG was telling the 4th official all the game … perhaps the problem are the players around him they need to get closer …FishCostaFortune said:I actually thought Stockley did okay at what he does second half (after being dominated the first half) and I think reference to him as a Donkey is slightly unfair. I counted 6 times in the first 10 or so minutes where he dropped in deep won a tricky ball under pressure and distributed it well.
If you’re a donkey you can’t do that.
However I’m convinced that’s not really the attributes that Garner wants his main CF to play with, and it’s certainly pointless in this formation when both our wingers are pushed up high and wide and there’s no quick out ball into the centre behind the centre backs when we get it out to them.2 -
Superb is a bit strong when he was part of a defence that gifted the opposition 3 goalsRonnieMoore said:
O Connell was superb today … and Clayden second half looked really dangerous , Kirk had an off day did not really get the chances .. Morgan was poor and it’s time for Payne .Sage said:Oh and our left hand side is so poor.
O’Connell, Clayden, Morgan, Kirk and then Stockley up front. None of them are good enough for a top 6 side, unfortunately.
but it don’t really matter what you do on the pitch when the ref misses a major key moment in the game0 -
Going to have to be two pretty decent free transfers I feel. Can’t help but think we’re only likely to find another Souare type player now though1
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Matej Vydra in his prime would be nice, though we would probably somehow contrive to turn him into Pawel Abbott.1
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https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-strikers-free-transfer-7522738
This Derby article details 4 free agent strikers. Vydra is out injured until the end of the year anyway0 -
https://youtu.be/hA2EHouqpfUkillerandflash said:
Wasn't it the case that Robinson wanted Clare to play right back, and Clare wanted to play in midfield, hence he left?Braziliance said:
As much as they are two players that are the least of our worries, Dobsons main attributes are smashing people and ball retention, for how we want to play I am not sure if he suits Garners system. Only issue with Dobbo is it’s all well and good he is great at what he does, but when we need results he doesn’t offer much, he is more noticeable when we are up against it cause he will run in and ram someone off the ball, when most of our squad don’t have that in them, Charlton fans love someone who tackles like that. Sunderland fans don’t rate him at all and I’d say they are fairly grounded fans. As I said though he is nowhere near a concern right nowFishCostaFortune said:
Sage did say last year that Dobson and Clare were not of the required standard, and yet they became two of our best players.cabbles said:
I must admit, when I saw those comments from @sage, I was quite glad. He knows his onions and generally I consider him to be quite patient and positive when it comes to the playing side of things, but it’s a bit of a wake up call imoFanny Fanackapan said:Glad I'm not the only one to feel this way and especially relieved that Sage is the one to echo my thoughts.
TS has totally left BG up the creek without a paddle IMO.
He'll want the gaffer to put more youngsters in the team , putting them out there and encouraging bids for their services as he did with Burstow.
That's one of the only ways to recoup some of his outlay.
Maybe he is right and the fact they are our better players shows that we are way off the standard we need to be.
as for Clare, I’m still not quite sure, when we are up against a proper side he does struggle at right back, there’s a player there but i’m not sure he has the required athleticism for an effective full back, I believe his place is in that midfield and that’s where he wants to be, problem is who makes way and we don’t really have anyone to play right back until Egbo is back. I rate Karl Robinson, as much as he gets some bad reviews he’s made Oxford a real competitive, promotion chasing side in this league for 3 seasons straight, he deemed Clare not good enough for his squad and couldn’t find a place for him in Midfield or at right back. Without being a snob if we want to be getting out of this league we need to have a better squad than a side like Oxford. I look at their team and they have a handful of players that just walk into this team.
Personally I think he's a perfect acceptable modern right back, and better there than in midfield. To me an issue with 433 (and 4231) formations though, is that it's less clear than in the traditional 442 who is meant to support the full back in defensive duties. If it one of the midfield 3, or is it the wide attacker, and do we really want JRS busting a gut to do his defensive duties, when he seems to be one player who looks like creating a goal.In this interview he says in his heart of hearts he wants to play midfield but he has been signed as an attacking right back.So yes he certainly wanted to play midfield but the concern is he couldn’t cement himself as the first choice right back there, couldn’t force himself into midfield, Robbo was happy for him to leave and Oxford fans weren’t too fussed. So it just makes me wonder do we rate Clare quite high cause we seem average and he is above or is he actually a good player, I think it’s somewhere in between, again though least of our issues.I am quite critical though, I’ve been saying for most of our seasons in league 1 our squad hasn’t been good enough in starting XI quality or depth1 -
There are quite a few reasons why we shouldn't bother with free agents but forgetting those, we haven't got the money. We were going to fund Bonne from savings via the loans of Gilbey and DJ. as DJ did not go, any free agent worth getting, if there is one, can not be afforded. To be honest the better striking free agent options couldn't agree deals with Championship clubs and are probably hoping for more money from desperate clubs. That is not the pool we are fishing in.2
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Sounds perfect for us thenkillerandflash said:https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-strikers-free-transfer-7522738
This Derby article details 4 free agent strikers. Vydra is out injured until the end of the year anyway5 -
Of course you can. Even donkeys can play simple passes. The other week when Leaburn turned and instantly hit a through ball with the outside of his foot to put DJ through on goal - that's something donkeys can't do. When Jayden does that, I'll say he's not a donkey.FishCostaFortune said:I actually thought Stockley did okay at what he does second half (after being dominated the first half) and I think reference to him as a Donkey is slightly unfair. I counted 6 times in the first 10 or so minutes where he dropped in deep won a tricky ball under pressure and distributed it well.
If you’re a donkey you can’t do that.1 -
God, supporting Charlton is so relentlessly deflating.
For the want of a goalscoring forward and a decent left sided defender in that window I would have come out of it with real hope.
Hope that Garner would be equipped to push on with his project and maybe have a right good go at top six this season.
Instead it feels worse than just missing out on a couple of players.
It feels like the ship has been torpedoed below the water line.
It feels that Garner has been undermined and the knock on effect on team morale.
Worse, the fans are in danger of losing belief.
Yeh, it's only September and Bolton is a tough place where we never seem to do well.
But I can't shake this dark cloud, before we even consider the off-field shenanigans.23
