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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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The House of Commoners thread has been slammed shut!RedChaser said:
Don’t mention that word on here…………,House of Commoners thread surely 😉.mart77 said:Can’t wait for the window to slam shut. It’s like a very tedious tennis rally between Charlton fans. Hopefully some activity will keep everyone happy and we can all unite towards getting out of this bloody league.4 -
We aren't going to be losing 40-80 million in the championship!995632 said:
Genuine question, what difference does it make to spend a fee vs sign an out of contract player?cafcsinger said:Money from Pope this summer, money from Burstow in January, and yet we are too tight to spend a single fee on someone this transfer window. Talks a complete load of shite Sandgaard, but at least we have a nice wanky American song on spotify
These "haven't spent a penny" lot don't seem to equate an out of contact player needing a signing bonus, probable agents fee etc. Not to mention paying up Garner's contract, that wasn't free.
It is alleged that the Pope money is being paid in instalments and we get a percentage over the £1.5mill fee Burnley supposedly agreed with us. So the £2mill Newcastle allegedly paid so far for Pope is no where near the 20% of the £20+ million people thought the Pope fee would be at the start of summer.
The 1mill for Burstow has probably already gone keeping everything running (not even considering the increase in costs of literally keeping the lights on - approx 250% increase like other businesses).
Unless someone else's pockets are sufficiently deep enough to bankroll an odds on title winning side, pay all debts, agree to Roland's rediculous demands to purchase the ground and Sparrows Lane and be happy to write off £8mill+ a year (and then agree to chucking in 5-10x that amount after getting back into the Championship to even just stand still and not get relegated.)then we need to get behind the team and Garner.
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That’s what taking a sabbatical does for you 😉. And c’mon James you must know that Ronnie Moore is the font of all knowledge on all things Charlton 🙄.JamesSeed said:
The House of Commoners thread has been slammed shut!RedChaser said:
Don’t mention that word on here…………,House of Commoners thread surely 😉.mart77 said:Can’t wait for the window to slam shut. It’s like a very tedious tennis rally between Charlton fans. Hopefully some activity will keep everyone happy and we can all unite towards getting out of this bloody league.
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☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻Chunes said:It's really not a big deal for me tbh. We've got a better team than we did last year. And the year before. And a better coach. If we don't have 500k to spend on a fourth striker, then ok. We've had worse problems.I think we will get another attacker in for what it’s worth, but we’re in such a better place than this time last year.4 -
Lyle Taylor can leave on a free according to Forest today3
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Definitely in a better place, but if we’d not let Washington go, then I’d say playoffs would be a good shout based on our performances so far.RC_CAFC said:
☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻Chunes said:It's really not a big deal for me tbh. We've got a better team than we did last year. And the year before. And a better coach. If we don't have 500k to spend on a fourth striker, then ok. We've had worse problems.I think we will get another attacker in for what it’s worth, but we’re in such a better place than this time last year.1 -
And dare I say it but a lack of a quality centre forward - ie Davison - is probably what cost them promotionGarrymanilow said:
But then a lot of that has to do with the fans' understanding of what the number 9 position could be for us. Garner played at Swindon with both McKirdy and Davison up front at different times and used them differently. Davison as more of an out and out striker like Stockley and McKirdy as a player able to rotate with his wingers to create space through uncertainty of marking. It was McKirdy who got the massive goal return, so it stands to reason that being able to play a striker with his movement could change a lot for us. Bringing in another striker who is more like Stockley in that he's just an out and out striker limits our ability to change things around and I don't think Garner would like that as much as the flexibility someone like McKirdy would offer.killerandflash said:
Agreedking addick said:I rate McKirdy but why he is so favoured over Stockton? They both have similar goal scoring records (Stocktons is slightly better) I grant McKirdy can play across the front line but he is def not an out & out striker.
People slightly unfairly moan that Stockton was a one season wonder, but that season was in L1, whereas McKirdy has literally had one good season in L2. He hardly played the season before, for Port Vale, while in 2019/20 for Carlisle he scored 5 goals in 28 league appearances.
Our weakness isn't in the wide attacking positions, it's in the Number 9 position.0 -
And there lays the dilemma. Supporters expect football club owners to fund season after season of losses including the funding of transfers. Club owners expect fans to come to games and often watch a squad of players perform that is clearly sub-optimal and unlikely to deliver success.995632 said:
Genuine question, what difference does it make to spend a fee vs sign an out of contract player?cafcsinger said:Money from Pope this summer, money from Burstow in January, and yet we are too tight to spend a single fee on someone this transfer window. Talks a complete load of shite Sandgaard, but at least we have a nice wanky American song on spotify
These "haven't spent a penny" lot don't seem to equate an out of contact player needing a signing bonus, probable agents fee etc. Not to mention paying up Garner's contract, that wasn't free.
It is alleged that the Pope money is being paid in instalments and we get a percentage over the £1.5mill fee Burnley supposedly agreed with us. So the £2mill Newcastle allegedly paid so far for Pope is no where near the 20% of the £20+ million people thought the Pope fee would be at the start of summer.
The 1mill for Burstow has probably already gone keeping everything running (not even considering the increase in costs of literally keeping the lights on - approx 250% increase like other businesses).
Unless someone else's pockets are sufficiently deep enough to bankroll an odds on title winning side, pay all debts, agree to Roland's rediculous demands to purchase the ground and Sparrows Lane and be happy to write off £8mill+ a year (and then agree to chucking in 5-10x that amount after getting back into the Championship to even just stand still and not get relegated.)then we need to get behind the team and Garner.
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It feels to me that we have a half decent squad this year that has the potential to do better than last year but is lacking that little bit of quality from a couple of decent additional signings to get to close to achieving a play-off position after 46 games. If those signings aren't made by the time the window closes then I think TS can safely assume he will be on the hook for another year of ~£8 M losses. He might find the £1M of cost savings but I don't see him increasing revenue by £3M to reduce losses to £4M. Maybe funding £4-8M per annum of losses ad infinitum is palatable to him for the doubtful kudos of owning an English football club, but I honestly don't see that changing any time soon without bringing more investment into the club.
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Nail on the head Felix I believe.felix_31 said:I understand this isn't strictly transfer rumour related, but it is budget related, and that has been brought up. The share price of Zynex has dropped 28% this year. I do wonder if this is influencing TS' ownership of CAFC, and whether he is understandably unwilling to sell any of his shares (i.e. realise them for cash to buy players) when the price is so deflated.
In July of 2020, he sold 1,250,000 shares for $22 a piece, realising $27.5m - I assume to help fund the purchase of CAFC. A smaller sale raising $2.69m occurred last summer with the share price $15. Each share is now worth $9, and hit a low of $5 in June of this year. The transaction of 2020 would raise $11.25m today - less than half.
It is perceived as madness to sell at the bottom, and perhaps that, in turn, is affecting our budget this summer?3 -
Genuine question as I don’t know the answer.CafcSCP said:
Definitely in a better place, but if we’d not let Washington go, then I’d say playoffs would be a good shout based on our performances so far.RC_CAFC said:
☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻Chunes said:It's really not a big deal for me tbh. We've got a better team than we did last year. And the year before. And a better coach. If we don't have 500k to spend on a fourth striker, then ok. We've had worse problems.I think we will get another attacker in for what it’s worth, but we’re in such a better place than this time last year.
Was it purely a case of we said ‘we don’t want you anymore.’ Or did he say he wanted to explore other options?
Fwiw, I liked Washington but I don’t think he fits this system particularly. He was always rubbish out wide and his shooting/hold up play/heading were not good enough to play in the strikers position.
I believe he was on quite high wages so probably has helped pay for at least 2 new signings.0 -
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Common sense says that we should wait until the window closes before making further judgement calls (!!)
The window is like playing multiple games of poker simultaneously.
And you don't win at poker by showing the world your hand.
I do hope we secure the players Garner feels he needs to provide a competitive squad to try for promotion in this window.
If Garner has a good season and we narrowly miss out on promotion I can see him in the Championship next season without us.
He is obviously ambitious and wasn't desperate to hang around and have another go at securing L1 football with Swindon, despite narrowly missing out...5 -
Well said.🖖995632 said:
Genuine question, what difference does it make to spend a fee vs sign an out of contract player?cafcsinger said:Money from Pope this summer, money from Burstow in January, and yet we are too tight to spend a single fee on someone this transfer window. Talks a complete load of shite Sandgaard, but at least we have a nice wanky American song on spotify
These "haven't spent a penny" lot don't seem to equate an out of contact player needing a signing bonus, probable agents fee etc. Not to mention paying up Garner's contract, that wasn't free.
It is alleged that the Pope money is being paid in instalments and we get a percentage over the £1.5mill fee Burnley supposedly agreed with us. So the £2mill Newcastle allegedly paid so far for Pope is no where near the 20% of the £20+ million people thought the Pope fee would be at the start of summer.
The 1mill for Burstow has probably already gone keeping everything running (not even considering the increase in costs of literally keeping the lights on - approx 250% increase like other businesses).
Unless someone else's pockets are sufficiently deep enough to bankroll an odds on title winning side, pay all debts, agree to Roland's rediculous demands to purchase the ground and Sparrows Lane and be happy to write off £8mill+ a year (and then agree to chucking in 5-10x that amount after getting back into the Championship to even just stand still and not get relegated.)then we need to get behind the team and Garner.
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I actually see that interview by garner as moving us a step closer to signing mkirdy - if u take all the fluff out of the interview it basically says publicly that garner wants to sign him - everything else we already knew about really6
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If TS doesn't want to lose £8m next year he should invest money in acquiring two saleable assets that appreciate in value.
That way he won't be wasting money, he'll be investing it.
The more wins. The higher gate receipts, Valley pass purchases, TV money, potential Championship promotion.
Buy appreciating assets
Peterborough do it
Brentford do it
McKirdy more likely to not lose value v Stockton
Buy McKirdy
It isn't actually rocket science.
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He tried that with Kirk (failed), Lavelle (failed). It may work with Dobson and Clare but I think both are out of contract end of this season. If McKirdy was a guarantee of success someone would have bought him already.supaclive said:If TS doesn't want to lose £8m next year he should invest money in acquiring two saleable assets that appreciate in value.
That way he won't be wasting money, he'll be investing it.
The more wins. The higher gate receipts, Valley pass purchases, TV money, potential Championship promotion.
Buy appreciating assets
Peterborough do it
Brentford do it
McKirdy more likely to not lose value v Stockton
Buy McKirdy
It isn't actually rocket science.2 -
Kirk hasn't failed yet. We may well sell him for more than we bought him for. Kirk now is much better than Kirk last season. Lavelle was a purchase that hasn't lost value yet either as far as I am aware?
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It’s so simple, why doesn’t every club do that.supaclive said:If TS doesn't want to lose £8m next year he should invest money in acquiring two saleable assets that appreciate in value.
That way he won't be wasting money, he'll be investing it.
The more wins. The higher gate receipts, Valley pass purchases, TV money, potential Championship promotion.
Buy appreciating assets
Peterborough do it
Brentford do it
McKirdy more likely to not lose value v Stockton
Buy McKirdy
It isn't actually rocket science.
Peterborough still lose around £7-8m a year and have spent most of the last 15 years in L1, we should copy them.3 -
They don'tSouthLincsAddick said:
It’s so simple, why doesn’t every club do that.supaclive said:If TS doesn't want to lose £8m next year he should invest money in acquiring two saleable assets that appreciate in value.
That way he won't be wasting money, he'll be investing it.
The more wins. The higher gate receipts, Valley pass purchases, TV money, potential Championship promotion.
Buy appreciating assets
Peterborough do it
Brentford do it
McKirdy more likely to not lose value v Stockton
Buy McKirdy
It isn't actually rocket science.
Peterborough still lose around £7-8m a year and have spent most of the last 15 years in L1, we should copy them.
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Because football club owners think.they know best when very few of them have football experience.SouthLincsAddick said:
It’s so simple, why doesn’t every club do that.supaclive said:If TS doesn't want to lose £8m next year he should invest money in acquiring two saleable assets that appreciate in value.
That way he won't be wasting money, he'll be investing it.
The more wins. The higher gate receipts, Valley pass purchases, TV money, potential Championship promotion.
Buy appreciating assets
Peterborough do it
Brentford do it
McKirdy more likely to not lose value v Stockton
Buy McKirdy
It isn't actually rocket science.
Peterborough still lose around £7-8m a year and have spent most of the last 15 years in L1, we should copy them.
Posh also have not spent most of the last 15 seasons in League 1 and do NOT lose £7-8m per year.
Get your facts right first.....5 -
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Whats the different between a club owner with very little Football experience, and the majority of fans who have little Football experience either?supaclive said:
Because football club owners think.they know best when very few of them have football experience.SouthLincsAddick said:
It’s so simple, why doesn’t every club do that.supaclive said:If TS doesn't want to lose £8m next year he should invest money in acquiring two saleable assets that appreciate in value.
That way he won't be wasting money, he'll be investing it.
The more wins. The higher gate receipts, Valley pass purchases, TV money, potential Championship promotion.
Buy appreciating assets
Peterborough do it
Brentford do it
McKirdy more likely to not lose value v Stockton
Buy McKirdy
It isn't actually rocket science.
Peterborough still lose around £7-8m a year and have spent most of the last 15 years in L1, we should copy them.
Posh also have not spent most of the last 15 seasons in League 1 and do NOT lose £7-8m per year.
Get your facts right first.....0 -
JamesSeed said:
The House of Commoners thread has been slammed shut!RedChaser said:
Don’t mention that word on here…………,House of Commoners thread surely 😉.mart77 said:Can’t wait for the window to slam shut. It’s like a very tedious tennis rally between Charlton fans. Hopefully some activity will keep everyone happy and we can all unite towards getting out of this bloody league.The problem with the house of Commoners thread, was there were too many joining and posting who hadn't taken their medication.
Interesting insight never the less.
For Ben Garner's sake I hope we get a forward in who can cover all 3 forward positions. ( Can score and make assists which should be mandatory for playing in any of the 3 front positions and play off/near to Jayden when possible.
Must dash, I forgot the blue tablet at 7pm.0 -
Posh lessen their losses by selling their best players……..imagine the furore if we started doing that4
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We have been doing that for the last 50 years!billysboots said:Posh lessen their losses by selling their best players……..imagine the furore if we started doing that13 -
Don't we do that, too (Burstow etc)? It's just that we haven't had any valuable assets to sell in the past few seasons. If we sold players for a healthy profit and re-invested the money into shrewd new signings, I don't think there would be that much furore.billysboots said:Posh lessen their losses by selling their best players……..imagine the furore if we started doing that1 -
Do posh buy players?Cafc43v3r said:
We have been doing that for the last 50 years!billysboots said:Posh lessen their losses by selling their best players……..imagine the furore if we started doing that0 -
Yes, lots of them. Especially forwards.esseffect said:
Do posh buy players?Cafc43v3r said:
We have been doing that for the last 50 years!billysboots said:Posh lessen their losses by selling their best players……..imagine the furore if we started doing that
Top in
Very similar to top outs
Washington, Gale and Toney also cost a fair bit.1 -
Isn’t he the only one we have sold for a few years ?I think the posh model is to keep them for a few years until they become a high performer in the first team and then sell them. MacAnthony , love him or hate him usually gets good money for his players.Addickhead86 said:
Don't we do that, too (Burstow etc)? It's just that we haven't had any valuable assets to sell in the past few seasons. If we sold players for a healthy profit and re-invested the money into shrewd new signings, I don't think there would be that much furore.billysboots said:Posh lessen their losses by selling their best players……..imagine the furore if we started doing that
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Yup , buy them - develop them and sell them high.esseffect said:
Do posh buy players?Cafc43v3r said:
We have been doing that for the last 50 years!billysboots said:Posh lessen their losses by selling their best players……..imagine the furore if we started doing that1 -
Maybe I’m in the minority, but i actually feel quite positive about the season ahead, and have really enjoyed the football so far this season, granted it couldn’t get much worse.
This league is extremely tight, team morale and togetherness is important and it feels like we have that this year.
Yes we could do with another LB, CB and Striker, but no one should be demanding it.None of us know the financial ins and outs and ultimately it’s not our money to spend.I could do with a couple more team members at work to take our service levels up to the next level, but I won’t get that, there are financial constraints that I have to work within.I’m confident will be in and around the playoffs.27
