Garners comments are depressing. Without further striking options, we will not get promoted which means that we remain stuck in this perpetual Groundhog Day loop of 3rd division football with declining attendances. I am supportive of TS but unless something dramatic and positive happens on the transfer front in the next 10 days, we will need to try and generate new investment from somewhere else because the current owner is unlikely to be able to take us forward.
The last set of owners weren’t taking us forward, they were taking us down. We won’t get great owners until Roland sells the Valley and TG at an appropriate price, until then TS is the best we can hope for.
I am more and more convinced they set the budget expecting someone to go for money and they haven't, yet.
This can't be deliberate?
Remember at the start of the summer general view was Pope was worth £15-20M wasn't it. Didn't Burnley cash in at closer to £8M. So our sell on say £2m less than expected?? Also was a chance Gomez would go too which didn't happen.
Basing you budget on something that may or may not happen and is totally under out of your control isn't much smarter is it?
The 'Sandgaard's skint' squad is going to have a field day with that article.
I think it has gone beyond that now. He is clearly a wealthy man from his business interests but he said himself last week that his aim is to cut Charlton's losses from £8m per season to £4m this year and then break even in 23/24.
He is not going to do it by selling more tickets and as we have all seen he cannot even do that so the savings need to come from within the club.
It is no secret the staff are being cut to the bone following the sackings and redundancies, the club is effectively being run by Tommy, his wife and his son. We have not paid a transfer fee for a player this season and I doubt any of the Nick Pope & Burstow millions will surface in terms of a transfer kitty, more to run the club.
I suspect what we have seen so far this season will be the norm in years to come including us selling youngsters to make up the deficit.
Only if you ignore about half of it. "IF" anybody is sold for a fee then there's room in the squad numbers limit and the possibility of paying a fee to acquire a new player
That's nothing new is it? We've known all summer that Sandgaard's purse strings are not the only constraints on recruitment.
What is Garner supposed to say?
How useful would it be for him to say "... I've got 1.5 to 2 mill waiting to sign the players.."? Straightaway the cost of any player is £2M innit?
FWIW I doubt there's £200 for fees and we won't see any incoming at all, certainly no paid for acquisitions. We're looking at 4 months with critical shortages up front and in both fullback berths, plus we're one injury or suspension away from having to rely on Inniss!! Who reminded us on Saturday just how inconsistent he is and how bad his bad spells can be.
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Money from Pope this summer, money from Burstow in January, and yet we are too tight to spend a single fee on someone this transfer window. Talks a complete load of shite Sandgaard, but at least we have a nice wanky American song on spotify
The 'Sandgaard's skint' squad is going to have a field day with that article.
To be fair the cost cutting and limiting ourselves to frees and loans gives the impression TS may be looking to sell in the near future.
Problem is he has very little to sell other than a loss making football team. Roland still owns all the assets. I can't see any new owner wanting to pay more than £1 to relieve Sandgaard of what he owns. Worrying times.
Garners comments are depressing. Without further striking options, we will not get promoted which means that we remain stuck in this perpetual Groundhog Day loop of 3rd division football with declining attendances. I am supportive of TS but unless something dramatic and positive happens on the transfer front in the next 10 days, we will need to try and generate new investment from somewhere else because the current owner is unlikely to be able to take us forward.
The last set of owners weren’t taking us forward, they were taking us down. We won’t get great owners until Roland sells the Valley and TG at an appropriate price, until then TS is the best we can hope for.
Premier League inside 5 years and Champions League in 10, blow our way out of L1 to...
"I don’t have a transfer fee available to go and bid for him. At the moment that would be a non-starter for us.”
Him being a L2 player.
Whatever you think of TS he could not have set expectations any more poorly when he arrived!
Agreed. TS is still in credit with me because he saved the club from possibly going under. I wish he said something along the lines of "the club nearly died, as a result, it will take time to rebuild and move forward but we will move forward. This is a massive project and I can't put timescales on success at this stage". I think he would have a lot more people backing him if he did say something similar to this
He’s American, what do you expect?
He should have been honest from the start And admitted he does not have the wealth to rin a loss making club. He could have told us he needs to get losses down to near zero as he cannot afford 8 million pounds a year loss. Then we would not have expected too much.
Being annoyed or whatever is laughable... its frustrating as you want the club to sign the best but if we are keeping to a budget then so be it...be financially viable for the future or in ruin in 2-3 seasons cause we spent needlessly?
Could be a smokescreen to not give away our financial position or just keeping the purse strings nice and tight. Best wait and see what i looks like when the transfer window slams shut.
Unless you believe that commercial income will increase massively being in league 1 for another 2-3 years is not financially viable either.
I am not annoyed but I really can't get my head round the fact we can't sign someone until we off load someone else. When that player had his contract renewed 10 weeks ago.
No it wont but that still doesnt make it viable to chuck money at anything and everything. No doubt we need to get out this division to increase income but if we dont then we need to be as financially secure as possible to cope with being stuck here.
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources, which IIRC is the Sandgaard family, are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Think you are confusing me with buttlejr who speaks directly to TS.
I am more and more convinced they set the budget expecting someone to go for money and they haven't, yet.
This can't be deliberate?
Remember at the start of the summer general view was Pope was worth £15-20M wasn't it. Didn't Burnley cash in at closer to £8M. So our sell on say £2m less than expected?? Also was a chance Gomez would go too which didn't happen.
Basing you budget on something that may or may not happen and is totally under out of your control isn't much smarter is it?
It's about as smart as charging £37 a ticket as your strategy to fill the Valley.
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Think you are confusing me with buttlejr who speaks directly to TS.
It’s slightly worrying that there is literally zero money for transfers without selling someone. Did we end up getting cash for Pope? Hooefully we can move on Gilbey and/or JFC in time. Sandgaard once talked about being happy to meet Muir ‘for a coffee’ to talk about investment. Seems clear to me that someone bringing in a few million might make all the difference right now. Whether anyone would be interested is another matter.
Makes me think we’re not a big fish in this league now just a middle of the road league one side. Glass definitely half empty atm. Like seeing the youth given a chance so one positive but glaring gaps in this squad! What with the falling attendances & rising prices & TS not listening to common sense I actually feel on a downer with Charlton which I’ve never actually felt before! No CEO, Bully boy still employed & endorsed by the owner, long standing staff dismissed at will. Sorry about my negativity but feeling totally disengaged with the club!
Being annoyed or whatever is laughable... its frustrating as you want the club to sign the best but if we are keeping to a budget then so be it...be financially viable for the future or in ruin in 2-3 seasons cause we spent needlessly?
Could be a smokescreen to not give away our financial position or just keeping the purse strings nice and tight. Best wait and see what i looks like when the transfer window slams shut.
Unless you believe that commercial income will increase massively being in league 1 for another 2-3 years is not financially viable either.
I am not annoyed but I really can't get my head round the fact we can't sign someone until we off load someone else. When that player had his contract renewed 10 weeks ago.
No it wont but that still doesnt make it viable to chuck money at anything and everything. No doubt we need to get out this division to increase income but if we dont then we need to be as financially secure as possible to cope with being stuck here.
I don't think anyone is asking him to chuck money at everything and anything.
If we don't sign that striker, even on loan, we are highly unlikely to, or would have to be incredibly lucky to, get promoted.
If its for the cost of JFCs wages, that seem to be the narrative. One why renew his contract if the budget is so tight? Two if 200k(ish) is the difference between giving it a proper go and not it doesn't bode well.
Yes 200k is a substantial amount of real money and no its not my money but its not costing be millions to stand still. That's not viable which everway you spin it.
It's really not a big deal for me tbh. We've got a better team than we did last year. And the year before. And a better coach. If we don't have 500k to spend on a fourth striker, then ok. We've had worse problems.
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.
This isn’t me saying we will spend a fee, this is me just saying don’t get too carried away by routine interviews with the local press about our available funds.
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skill
In response to the Stockton rumours:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
That's nice you'll laugh your arse off if one of our players breaks their leg.
but it would be less likely that 3 of 3 are injured at the same time compared to 2 of 3 CB when one is Inniss.
You must have a short memory because only 6 months ago we were without 3 strikers as they were all out injured !!
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.
This isn’t me saying we will spend a fee, this is me just saying don’t get too carried away by routine interviews with the local press about our available funds.
Repeating that fact part 834
They all know exactly what each others budget is. It's not a secret.
I read the Garner article differently. The priority is a CB which is likely to be the only one coming in as things currently stand. The CB may command a transfer fee, that we don't know but what we do know is above and beyond a CB there isn't any money for a forward unless there is movement outwards. So there may currently be money in the transfer kitty for a CB but not for anymore incomings unless there are outgoings. If somebody like Kirk was to be sold then I would expect a fee to be paid for a permanent forward but if we are jusy relying on Gilbey/JFC to go out on loan or for next to nothing I would expect the incoming forward to be a young loanee. Despite the tone of the article I can still see two coming in but three is highly unlikely.
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He is not going to do it by selling more tickets and as we have all seen he cannot even do that so the savings need to come from within the club.
It is no secret the staff are being cut to the bone following the sackings and redundancies, the club is effectively being run by Tommy, his wife and his son. We have not paid a transfer fee for a player this season and I doubt any of the Nick Pope & Burstow millions will surface in terms of a transfer kitty, more to run the club.
I suspect what we have seen so far this season will be the norm in years to come including us selling youngsters to make up the deficit.
"IF" anybody is sold for a fee then there's room in the squad numbers limit and the possibility of paying a fee to acquire a new player
That's nothing new is it? We've known all summer that Sandgaard's purse strings are not the only constraints on recruitment.
What is Garner supposed to say?
How useful would it be for him to say "... I've got 1.5 to 2 mill waiting to sign the players.."? Straightaway the cost of any player is £2M innit?
FWIW I doubt there's £200 for fees and we won't see any incoming at all, certainly no paid for acquisitions. We're looking at 4 months with critical shortages up front and in both fullback berths, plus we're one injury or suspension away from having to rely on Inniss!! Who reminded us on Saturday just how inconsistent he is and how bad his bad spells can be.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Roland still owns all the assets.
I can't see any new owner wanting to pay more than £1 to relieve Sandgaard of what he owns.
Worrying times.
And admitted he does not have the wealth to rin a loss making club. He could have told us he needs to get losses down to near zero as he cannot afford 8 million pounds a year loss. Then we would not have expected too much.
Willing to sit on my hands, reserve judgement until September 2nd.
Did we end up getting cash for Pope?
Hooefully we can move on Gilbey and/or JFC in time.
Sandgaard once talked about being happy to meet Muir ‘for a coffee’ to talk about investment. Seems clear to me that someone bringing in a few million might make all the difference right now. Whether anyone would be interested is another matter.
If we don't sign that striker, even on loan, we are highly unlikely to, or would have to be incredibly lucky to, get promoted.
If its for the cost of JFCs wages, that seem to be the narrative. One why renew his contract if the budget is so tight? Two if 200k(ish) is the difference between giving it a proper go and not it doesn't bode well.
Yes 200k is a substantial amount of real money and no its not my money but its not costing be millions to stand still. That's not viable which everway you spin it.
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.
They all know exactly what each others budget is. It's not a secret.
Despite the tone of the article I can still see two coming in but three is highly unlikely.