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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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I would be more concerned if we come out and told everyone how much we had to spend …. think we just keeping things very close like all the deals we have done … it makes discussions much more difficult if a club knows you got 5 mill to spend .
we will sign CB and a forward ( not a striker ) and most likey a back up holding mid player6 -
Fixed this for youHenry Irving said:
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.Covered_End_Lad said:Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises, we do cardigans
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.0 -
Insightful comment.Redhenry said:
blah blah blah...golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.3 -
How? Clubs budgets changed throughout the window surely it’s guess work?Cafc43v3r said:
Repeating that fact part 834BR7_addick said:Publicly stating your budget part 838:
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.This isn’t me saying we will spend a fee, this is me just saying don’t get too carried away by routine interviews with the local press about our available funds.
They all know exactly what each others budget is. It's not a secret.0 -
not to be confused with ronniemoore who speaks directly to the voices in his headCovered_End_Lad said:
Think you are confusing me with buttlejr who speaks directly to TS.Henry Irving said:
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.Covered_End_Lad said:Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources, which IIRC is the Sandgaard family, are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.10 -
I think there might be a bit of poker playing going on here as I don’t think TS would be with BG making such comments otherwise , my guess is these statements are aimed at agents to make it sound like we are skintBilly_Mix said:
Only if you ignore about half of it.sammy391 said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-boss-rules-out-move-for-swindon-town-star-attacker-harry-mckirdy/Christ, the tone of that is quite demoralising
"IF" anybody is sold for a fee then there's room in the squad numbers limit and the possibility of paying a fee to acquire a new player
That's nothing new is it? We've known all summer that Sandgaard's purse strings are not the only constraints on recruitment.
What is Garner supposed to say?
How useful would it be for him to say "... I've got 1.5 to 2 mill waiting to sign the players.."? Straightaway the cost of any player is £2M innit?
FWIW I doubt there's £200 for fees and we won't see any incoming at all, certainly no paid for acquisitions. We're looking at 4 months with critical shortages up front and in both fullback berths, plus we're one injury or suspension away from having to rely on Inniss!! Who reminded us on Saturday just how inconsistent he is and how bad his bad spells can be.1 -
I understand this isn't strictly transfer rumour related, but it is budget related, and that has been brought up. The share price of Zynex has dropped 28% over the past year. I do wonder if this is influencing TS' ownership of CAFC, and whether he is understandably unwilling to sell any of his shares (i.e. realise them for cash to buy players) when the price is so deflated.
In July of 2020, he sold 1,250,000 shares for $22 a piece, realising $27.5m - I assume to help fund the purchase of CAFC. A smaller sale raising $2.69m occurred last summer with the share price $15. Each share is now worth $9, and hit a low of $5 in June of this year. The transaction of 2020 would raise $11.25m today - less than half.
It is perceived as madness to sell at the bottom, and perhaps that, in turn, is affecting our budget this summer?
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You want a player to be injured to prove you right, so fuck off will yagolfaddick said:
Insightful comment.Redhenry said:
blah blah blah...golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.10 -
A few weeks ago you were saying our squad was miles behind and we'd be playing catch-up this season. That was just before the QPR game, then our second string beat a Champ side.golfaddick said:
You must have a short memory because only 6 months ago we were without 3 strikers as they were all out injured !!Covered_End_Lad said:southamptonaddick said:
That's nice you'll laugh your arse off if one of our players breaks their leg.golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
but it would be less likely that 3 of 3 are injured at the same time compared to 2 of 3 CB when one is Inniss.
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.3 -
CB is a priority and i wonder if Garner is looking for an experienced head and leader - Possibly someone like Gary Cahill or Alex Baptiste as free agents would be on the radar ?0
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let's face it with the news Chuks is out for at least a few more weeks everyone should realise we can't really rely on him to be available at all so that leaves us with Stockley and a raw 18 year old kid. I can't believe anyone would say another forward isn't the priority. Failure to sign one could lead to TS losing even more money than he need to.10
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If Gary Cahill would take a huge pay decrease he'd be superb for a season or 2SwingForward said:CB is a priority and i wonder if Garner is looking for an experienced head and leader - Possibly someone like Gary Cahill or Alex Baptiste as free agents would be on the radar ?0 -
Have a word with yourself. BG & TS have said that to free up wages we have to let a player leave. Signing Cahill would mean letting all 22 players leave.SwingForward said:CB is a priority and i wonder if Garner is looking for an experienced head and leader - Possibly someone like Gary Cahill or Alex Baptiste as free agents would be on the radar ?
I do wonder which planet some people are on.1 -
I do wish people would read what others write. Of course I don't want anyone to get injured, but these things happen. Already we've had Egbo & Aneke miss the start of the season and now CBT & MaGrandells are injured too.Rothko said:
You want a player to be injured to prove you right, so fuck off will yagolfaddick said:
Insightful comment.Redhenry said:
blah blah blah...golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
Do you not think its could be in the world of possibility that Stockley gets injured at any point during the season.....maybe his back goes again ?0 -
Oh well, just because we beat a Championship side then our squad is complete. Pull up the drawbridge & let Garner know we don't need anyone else.Chunes said:
So can I remind you what you were saying just a few weeks ago, that our squad was miles behind and we'd be playing catch-up this season? That was just before the QPR game, when our second string beat a Champ side.golfaddick said:
You must have a short memory because only 6 months ago we were without 3 strikers as they were all out injured !!Covered_End_Lad said:southamptonaddick said:
That's nice you'll laugh your arse off if one of our players breaks their leg.golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.but it would be less likely that 3 of 3 are injured at the same time compared to 2 of 3 CB when one is Inniss.
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.0 -
maybe i'll just repeat the same thing hundreds of times.. Boring btwgolfaddick said:
Insightful comment.Redhenry said:
blah blah blah...golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.4 -
I'm 32!Henry Irving said:
Thought you were old enough to remember the TV series about the footballer called "Scully"Garrymanilow said:Big no from me on Scully. Not for any footballing reason, I just can't take the the threads of X-Files jokes that would follow
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I'd say that's a very narrow minded view. Players get injured, lose form, have personal issues....SouthLincsAddick said:
I don’t think I will find it as funny. Can’t see anybody that good being signed, Stockley is captain and will be first choice striker. When we bring another striker in they will be back up, not a starter.golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
But this will be my last comment on the subject. Its been done to death. We all know we need another striker - be it to compete with Stockley or to replace him if he is out injured. It would be folly not to.0 -
I do think (as mentioned above) that the share price of Zynex might be having a bearing on our transfer dealings. Needed our new owner to be a part owner of Shell or B.Gas.Athletico Charlton said:Premier League inside 5 years and Champions League in 10, blow our way out of L1 to...
"I don’t have a transfer fee available to go and bid for him. At the moment that would be a non-starter for us.”
Him being a L2 player.
Whatever you think of TS he could not have set expectations any more poorly when he arrived!0 -
Cluelesscafcsinger said:Money from Pope this summer, money from Burstow in January, and yet we are too tight to spend a single fee on someone this transfer window. Talks a complete load of shite Sandgaard, but at least we have a nice wanky American song on spotify4 -
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Aaron Pierre. Left footed centre back, last contracted to Shrewsbury. Would favour a move back to London.1
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Is this supposition, or do you know something?Callumcafc said:Aaron Pierre. Left footed centre back, last contracted to Shrewsbury. Would favour a move back to London.
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So, Gilbey still clinging on?0
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Makes the most sense out of everyone that's actually available.Leuth said:
Is this supposition, or do you know something?Callumcafc said:Aaron Pierre. Left footed centre back, last contracted to Shrewsbury. Would favour a move back to London.0 -
Can’t wait for the window to slam shut. It’s like a very tedious tennis rally between Charlton fans. Hopefully some activity will keep everyone happy and we can all unite towards getting out of this bloody league.3
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I would agree with this. It's not that he's skint, because he's not, and the stock market is rebounding, but the psychological affect of selling while low I'm sure will influence his thinking to a certain degree. I'm also sure that he will still make a judgement call as to whether the sale is worth the loss.felix_31 said:I understand this isn't strictly transfer rumour related, but it is budget related, and that has been brought up. The share price of Zynex has dropped 28% this year. I do wonder if this is influencing TS' ownership of CAFC, and whether he is understandably unwilling to sell any of his shares (i.e. realise them for cash to buy players) when the price is so deflated.
In July of 2020, he sold 1,250,000 shares for $22 a piece, realising $27.5m - I assume to help fund the purchase of CAFC. A smaller sale raising $2.69m occurred last summer with the share price $15. Each share is now worth $9, and hit a low of $5 in June of this year. The transaction of 2020 would raise $11.25m today - less than half.
It is perceived as madness to sell at the bottom, and perhaps that, in turn, is affecting our budget this summer?
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Genuine question, what difference does it make to spend a fee vs sign an out of contract player?cafcsinger said:Money from Pope this summer, money from Burstow in January, and yet we are too tight to spend a single fee on someone this transfer window. Talks a complete load of shite Sandgaard, but at least we have a nice wanky American song on spotify
These "haven't spent a penny" lot don't seem to equate an out of contact player needing a signing bonus, probable agents fee etc. Not to mention paying up Garner's contract, that wasn't free.
It is alleged that the Pope money is being paid in instalments and we get a percentage over the £1.5mill fee Burnley supposedly agreed with us. So the £2mill Newcastle allegedly paid so far for Pope is no where near the 20% of the £20+ million people thought the Pope fee would be at the start of summer.
The 1mill for Burstow has probably already gone keeping everything running (not even considering the increase in costs of literally keeping the lights on - approx 250% increase like other businesses).
Unless someone else's pockets are sufficiently deep enough to bankroll an odds on title winning side, pay all debts, agree to Roland's rediculous demands to purchase the ground and Sparrows Lane and be happy to write off £8mill+ a year (and then agree to chucking in 5-10x that amount after getting back into the Championship to even just stand still and not get relegated.)then we need to get behind the team and Garner.
Live, love, laugh and be happy!
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We will, or we may?RonnieMoore said:I would be more concerned if we come out and told everyone how much we had to spend …. think we just keeping things very close like all the deals we have done … it makes discussions much more difficult if a club knows you got 5 mill to spend .
we will sign CB and a forward ( not a striker ) and most likey a back up holding mid player0 -
Don’t mention that word on here…………,House of Commoners thread surely 😉.mart77 said:Can’t wait for the window to slam shut. It’s like a very tedious tennis rally between Charlton fans. Hopefully some activity will keep everyone happy and we can all unite towards getting out of this bloody league.2 -
Hurrah!golfaddick said:
I'd say that's a very narrow minded view. Players get injured, lose form, have personal issues....SouthLincsAddick said:
I don’t think I will find it as funny. Can’t see anybody that good being signed, Stockley is captain and will be first choice striker. When we bring another striker in they will be back up, not a starter.golfaddick said:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."charlton_hero said:Rothko said:
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skillcharlton_hero said:Cawley has also ruled us out of signing McKirdy and Stockton.
In response to the Stockton rumours:
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
But this will be my last comment on the subject. Its been done to death. We all know we need another striker - be it to compete with Stockley or to replace him if he is out injured. It would be folly not to.6
