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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Scoham said:
Bowyer was keen to bring him to Birmingham as it’s rare to find a right winger who also gets stuck in.Henry Irving said:This right winger available soon
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Sad to see Ritchie Bowman letting himself go.5 -
You’re a couple of days late with that one.Henry Irving said:This right winger available soon
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Will today be the day I can check for my morning rumours without seeing a photo of Boris Joh- never mind.1
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If he was our player I would get exit done.2
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I think this is an excellent point.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.0 -
If Kanu starts playing first team and does well he will be sold in January. If he plays in Feb he will be sold next summer.
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I have seen kids play too much football and then drift out the game. When you pick up regular knocks and play through them, it is not good for a young body. And the more games you play, the more knocks you get. I can think of a great example of a player who was terrific when he was around 12/13. But he was playing too much football. I was a parent and could see this and spoke to the manager about it and he agreed but it was difficult to stop him as the parents wanted him to play. You have to remember that they pay for their son to be part of the club.
He left us, poached by another club, and in our final U18 season, we had the chance to have him back. I jumped at it because we had been put up 3 divisions and I knew he was a good player. But sadly he was playing through injuries and not effective at all. I told him to take a break and at least miss training but he would still turn up for it. Then he would be out for two to three weeks then try to come back too quickly and I had to just play him less, but it wasn't really a loss anymore and he became a bit part player. It bothers me that an 18/19 year old can be fcuked up because issues weren't managed properly.
I take some responsibility too because maybe I wasn't forceful enough, but he would probably have gone somewhere else.1 -
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There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.3 -
I think Mumba would have been a decent signing at LB. Perhaps a bit similar to Sessegnon, being able to play both flanks. Maybe both us and Plymouth had both players on the list and took one each. I’d like us to be in for Bishop too0
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Liked the look of Bishop when he’s played against us.6
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Rooney is a double edged sword, the reason he was so good at 17 is the same reason he was finished in his early 30s.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.1 -
I always assumed it was because he was found in a cave as a child and they had to guess his age, and that's why at the age of 30 he had a hair transplant and looked about 45Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney is a double edged sword, the reason he was so good at 17 is the same reason he was finished in his early 30s.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.13 -
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.1 -
Aside from the fact you've got it backwards, this is my least favourite football cliche. It's absolutely meaningless. What it is supposed to mean is that age doesn't completely control talent, which everyone on the planet knows. Age is often a gate to experience, strength, development and mentality though. The reason players are eased in is to develop their game mentally, technically and physically. It's very rare that a player who is very young has those things. Using Wayne Rooney, England and Manchester United's all time top goalscorer, winner of the Premier League, Champions League, FA Cup, Europa League and League Cup, multiple PFA award winner, Golden Boy winner and Premier League hall of famer, as an example of how any 17 year old can be a first teamer two leagues lower is absolutely ridiculous.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
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Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
Michael Owen is a better example of a young player than Rooney as Owen's career was over quicker than Wayne Rooney.
I believe Daniel Kanu is 18 in November so at some time in the 22/23 season if Kanu has the talent that he appears to have he will be involved with the first team Squad even if it's in the new year. We are League 1 and special 18 year olds will be involved.
I also appreciate that if bids come in for Kanu or Deji similar to Mason Burstow then they will go. A million or so is small fry for Premier clubs. How we get 18 or 19 year olds to be good enough to be involved in our squad but not get sold is difficult. Both Alfie Doughty and Dijksteel (Dutch guy !) Were half decent and were away in no time to Championship sides.
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Kanu at 17 is obviously not ready but if he’s as good a prospect as people seem to think then to me it makes sense to have him in and around the first team squad and give him a bench place here and there and a few minutes of game time. Create an atmosphere where he feels comfortable to step up when the time comes. We don’t want to push him too far too quickly but I’d hope he gets a few sub appearances in suitable games this season.12
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Burstow didn’t really pop on to the first team scene until December time. Plenty of opportunities in cup matches to force himself into the 1st team squad by when we start playing twice a week over Christmas. Nothing wrong with Gavin or Kanu being 5th choice.ShootersHillGuru said:Kanu at 17 is obviously not ready but if he’s as good a prospect as people seem to think then to me it makes sense to have him in and around the first team squad and give him a bench place here and there and a few minutes of game time. Create an atmosphere where he feels comfortable to step up when the time comes. We don’t want to push him too far too quickly but I’d hope he gets a few sub appearances in suitable games this season.
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I have no doubt whatsoever that Chelsea already have a dossier on Kanu.15
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Kanu is this seasons Burstow. Too much foisted on him to be our striking saviour, will then flatter to deceive for 3 months & then sold to a club higher up the football pyramid.
If we are going to rely on him to be the 3rd or 4th choice striker then I'm afraid we'll be stuck again next season in league 1.0 -
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Don’t worry, we’ve got Davison ahead of him.golfaddick said:Kanu is this seasons Burstow. Too much foisted on him to be our striking saviour, will then flatter to deceive for 3 months & then sold to a club higher up the football pyramid.
If we are going to rely on him to be the 3rd or 4th choice striker then I'm afraid we'll be stuck again next season in league 1.5 -
Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.4
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I think he would a good signing! Different to what we haveCallumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.0 -
Can you imagine the Bishop bashing on hereCallumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
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Totally agree we should be.Callumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
But I don't believe we will spend any money this window on a transfer fee.
It will be free transfers and loan deals so I can't see it happen.
I'd love to be proved wrong Tommy so get yer check book out.0 -
We can use the Nick Pope money to pay for himCallumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.12 -
Do you think Tommy can resist not having a bit of a show off signing? I’m hoping people are right with there assumption it’s all about him and he can’t help splashing out on someone once he’s got his freebies.blackpool72 said:
Totally agree we should be.Callumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
But I don't believe we will spend any money this window on a transfer fee.
It will be free transfers and loan deals so I can't see it happen.
I'd love to be proved wrong Tommy so get yer check book out.1 -
It's very rare for 17 year olds to force their way into the first team and stay there - the only two that spring to my mind in modern times are Paul Walsh and Paul Elliot, both of whom were very exceptional talents.
I'm sure Daniel Kanu will be around the first team in training and I expect that he'll feature in the Papa Johns games, which are very useful for introducing youngsters in a non-pressurised environment. With 5 subs next season and the inevitable injuries, he's also sure to get a taste of league action off the bench. I imagine the same will apply to the likes of Tyreece Campbell, Aaron Henry and Deji.
In addition to a left back and central defender, the club will be acutely aware of the need for another striker, although everybody wants one of those and it's probably the hardest position to fill. If it proves possible, a permanent signing would obviously be so much better, not least because loanees can often be recalled in January, disrupting the team and leaving us back at square one.
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I’m surprised you think so. How come?blackpool72 said:
Totally agree we should be.Callumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
But I don't believe we will spend any money this window on a transfer fee.
It will be free transfers and loan deals so I can't see it happen.
I'd love to be proved wrong Tommy so get yer check book out.1 -
Paul Konchesky(16) and Lee Bowyer(17)Blucher said:It's very rare for 17 year olds to force their way into the first team and stay there - the only two that spring to my mind in modern times are Paul Walsh and Paul Elliot, both of whom were very exceptional talents.
I'm sure Daniel Kanu will be around the first team in training and I expect that he'll feature in the Papa Johns games, which are very useful for introducing youngsters in a non-pressurised environment. With 5 subs next season and the inevitable injuries, he's also sure to get a taste of league action off the bench. I imagine the same will apply to the likes of Tyreece Campbell, Aaron Henry and Deji.
In addition to a left back and central defender, the club will be acutely aware of the need for another striker, although everybody wants one of those and it's probably the hardest position to fill. If it proves possible, a permanent signing would obviously be so much better, not least because loanees can often be recalled in January, disrupting the team and leaving us back at square one.2
