Equality in sport.......or not.

ValleyOfTears said:

Just because women CAN do something that traditionally was just performed by men, doesn't mean they SHOULD be doing it.

If a city had 500 male coach drivers and due to a politically correct push to make it 50/50 men and women that doesn't mean the women SHOULD be coach drivers. That policy has just put 250 dad's in the dole queue. Ask the women in their lives how happy they are for the women who have just put their family in poverty. 

This nonsense is being played out everywhere. 

So, according to you we're living in a world where all employment is centrally coordinated, the driving force behind employment diktat is for complete sexual equality, everything happens instantaneously - 'natural wastage' just isn't a thing, no employer choses to retain staff (the traditionally safe and cheap option), no-one can take their skills and work elsewhere and all men are dads. Jesus H Christ. Do yourself a favour and take a look at what you have written. And don't forget to tell us if any neurones fire up.

Stig said:

Leuth said:

Maybe the men should play off the ladies' tees. Make the greens smaller and turn it into a game of pure skill. Speed it up too. 

Lightning golf: you've got thirty seconds to sink the ball or you're out. Or better still, lightning golf-boxing: you've got 30 seconds to sink the ball or someone gives you a smack in the mooey. That would make it more interesting.

brilliant

Speaking of chess players, I saw former grandmaster Gary Kasparov in the Corner Cafe the other week. Asked him to pass the pepper, took him 2 hours

Gribbo said:

Speaking of chess players, I saw former grandmaster Gary Kasparov in the Corner Cafe the other week. Asked him to pass the pepper, took him 2 hours

the old ones are the best ..  

seth plum said:

Judit has a sister who is good as well.
But for some reason they have never won the overall world championship.

the reason is likely that they were not quite good enough

seth plum said:

Dave Rudd said:

seth plum said:

One mystery is why hasn’t there been a woman world chess champion yet.

Beth Harmon?

Back to topic ... I wish we'd stop confusing 'equal' with 'identical'.

Many things are equal (in Maths terms 5+3 is equal to 6+2, as is 7+1), but 'identical' is a special case of equality (so, 5+3 is identical to and therefore equal to 5+3).

When we compare mens' and womens' sports, let's recognise that they will often be different, but that they could well be equal (not identical) overall (eg in terms of skill, entertainment, drama etc.)

If we insist on 'identical', it is unlikely to happen ... because men and women are different ... just like 5+3 and 6+2.

Beth was a fictional character in a great TV series.
As of now no woman has become World Chess Champion, there are a lot of very good women players but still we wait. There is no particular physicality involved in Chess.

Yup.  Feeble attempt at humour by me.

That went well.

golfaddick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

I think this is just a case of the organisers / course management getting the distance between the men’s and women’s tees out of whack. 

There can be 40 yards or so difference between men’s drives in a normal event……but Grant was often 60 or 70 yards ahead of her playing partner. This is too much of an advantage. 

There is usually plenty of room on a championship golf course to move tees back/ forward and it seems they just got the spacing wrong here. 

If the spacing of the women’s / men’s tees result in average drives ending in within a sensible margin then I don’t see why there shouldn’t be more of these tournaments. 

At last a post that I agree with.

On most Championship golf courses there are a number of teeing areas (tee boxes). It probably would have been better if in this competition that the ladies played off the men's daily tees (yellows) and the men off the competition tees (whites). That would have made it "fairer" as there would likely to have been only a 30-40 yard difference.

If you had said that in your original post, and had backed it with some evidence (for example, how much further the average male pro drives than the average female pro) then I think you may have got more agreement. 

I just looked it up, Woods once won a major by fifteen strokes. 

There are plenty of sports where women don't have a disadvantage. Snooker, darts, horse racing, motorsports, table tennis, boules, curling, these are just off the top of my head.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Why would the family be in poverty if the woman was working instead of the man? I assume they’d be paid the same. 

No.  The male coach drivers would be paid more than the women coach drivers.  It's perfectly obvious.  As Golfie has tried to explain, in detail, men can drive about a hundred yards further than women. 

ValleyOfTears said:

Just because women CAN do something that traditionally was just performed by men, doesn't mean they SHOULD be doing it.

If a city had 500 male coach drivers and due to a politically correct push to make it 50/50 men and women that doesn't mean the women SHOULD be coach drivers. That policy has just put 250 dad's in the dole queue. Ask the women in their lives how happy they are for the women who have just put their family in poverty. 

This nonsense is being played out everywhere.