Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

On a serious note, and not to be a doomsayer, but I wonder what get out clauses TS has in BG's contract. Yes, we all know it is a 3 years contract but surely if we are sitting in 23rd again in October there must be a 'Cheerio mate' clause inserted. Clearly, not to sound flippant, I'd imagine TS has set the bar somewhat higher, but I wonder what performance / timescale related targets are 'insisted upon' to stay in post.

With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when. 

The Prince-e-Paul said:

On a serious note, and not to be a doomsayer, but I wonder what get out clauses TS has in BG's contract. Yes, we all know it is a 3 years contract but surely if we are sitting in 23rd again in October there must be a 'Cheerio mate' clause inserted. Clearly, not to sound flippant, I'd imagine TS has set the bar somewhat higher, but I wonder what performance / timescale related targets are 'insisted upon' to stay in post.

With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when. 

Clearly Thomas had little or no faith in Jacko, hence the 18 month "contract" with the rather loaded proviso of x finish or byeee, can't see Garner ever agreeing to a similar contract, he has a 3 year deal, and no doubt, the usual payoff if and when required, subject to balance of contract at the time.
I feel that Thomas was sounding a bit less gun ho in his recent interview, and seemed to be aiming for playoff's, and with a bit of luck maybe top two, playoff's should be minimum really.
Anyway roll on next season, and we can all get on the bus with the team for hopefully a reasonable outcome..🍺🤞

balham red said:

eastterrace6168 said:

The Prince-e-Paul said:

On a serious note, and not to be a doomsayer, but I wonder what get out clauses TS has in BG's contract. Yes, we all know it is a 3 years contract but surely if we are sitting in 23rd again in October there must be a 'Cheerio mate' clause inserted. Clearly, not to sound flippant, I'd imagine TS has set the bar somewhat higher, but I wonder what performance / timescale related targets are 'insisted upon' to stay in post.

With that in mind, I wonder what TS realistically expects us to be achieving and when. 

Clearly Thomas had little or no faith in Jacko, hence the 18 month "contract" with the rather loaded proviso of x finish or byeee, can't see Garner ever agreeing to a similar contract, he has a 3 year deal, and no doubt, the usual payoff if and when required, subject to balance of contract at the time.
I feel that Thomas was sounding a bit less gun ho in his recent interview, and seemed to be aiming for playoff's, and with a bit of luck maybe top two, playoff's should be minimum really.
Anyway roll on next season, and we can all get on the bus with the team for hopefully a reasonable outcome..🍺🤞

Well we are 11th favourite for promotion, which is a bit of a reality check.

 
Bookies...Bah, what do they know..😎

balham red said:

Lump on then, we were 6/1 to get promoted last I saw 😅

Who do ya think got them to 6/1..

Oggy Red said:

clive said:

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/the-inside-track-on-new-charlton-manager-ben-garners-managerial-approach-at-bristol-rovers-and-swindon/

“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two.
League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."

Have we/will we get the players to do that?


“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."

That sounds familiar. 

Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

Oggy Red said:

clive said:

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/the-inside-track-on-new-charlton-manager-ben-garners-managerial-approach-at-bristol-rovers-and-swindon/

“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two.
League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."

Have we/will we get the players to do that?


“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."

That sounds familiar. 

Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?

Rovers... 

I know, but Garner didn’t have complete control at Swindon either. He was head coach and worked under a DoF.

killerandflash said:

And the way people talk about Swindon, you'd have thought he'd splashed the cash to bring in the L2 versions of De Bruyne and Tiago.

It's not overnight, but players can adapt to different ways of playing. After all when Brendan Rodgers got Swansea promoted to the Premier League, playing a very "pure" version of possession football, in their midfield scoring 9 league goals was Darren Pratley.

He did.  Johnny 🥰🥰🥰

Scoham said:

Oggy Red said:

clive said:

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/the-inside-track-on-new-charlton-manager-ben-garners-managerial-approach-at-bristol-rovers-and-swindon/

“His style is possession based and playing in the opposition’s half. He didn’t necessarily execute that at Rovers but I saw his Swindon side a couple of times last season and they definitely played in his image – they had the highest possession percentage in League Two.
League One is a tough league to do that in if you haven’t got the players to do that."

Have we/will we get the players to do that?


“The recruitment side at Rovers, which wasn’t entirely in his hands and was more a joint operation, there were a few mistakes made there and that left holes in the team which made it hard. They didn’t get off to a good start."

That sounds familiar. 

Yes it does, you’re talking about the setup at Swindon, right?

Rovers ...... it was from the article @clive posted above from the SLP, quoting comments from Sam Frost, Bristol Rovers reporter for Bristol Live.

In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? 
Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? 
If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to. 

Callumcafc said:

https://youtu.be/KMQWMccF83U

How do you give ten likes in CL?

Billyboy said:

ozaddick said:

In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? 
Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? 
If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to. 

This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.

TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months 

redbuttle said:

RonnieMoore said:

Billyboy said:

ozaddick said:

In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? 
Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? 
If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to. 

This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.

TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months 

Is that today's bedtime story? 

Where do you get your "facts" from?

I suspect from the same place as the speculation that Adkins was denied his own back room staff.

bolloxbolder said:

I reckon Sandgaards hope is whoever they appoint will want their own backroom staff, so Swindon will release them both from their contracts. They will then be free to join us. 

It is what I said a while back. They should review their stance of wanting compensation or they could end up paying compensation.
Sensible for TS to wait and see.

redbuttle said:

RonnieMoore said:

Billyboy said:

ozaddick said:

In regards to BG's coaching team, has there been anymore news or speculation on bringing his backroom staff over too? 
Didn't Adkins want his own coaches, but was denied this by TS? 
If it's the same scenario with BG as Adkins, I'd be concerned. If TS wants success, you've got to stack the cards in your favour as much as possible, which means getting those blokes signed up to. 

This is what is worrying me, I don't think ts is getting them in. Just a feeling) and I think that'll be a big mistake again in my opinion.

TS already said Garner will decide his backroom staff if he wants the two from Swindon then they will try to make it happen .. but they are under contract . As for Adkins part of the deal taking over was that Jackson would be number two with the plan for him to take over after a few years .. not a a few months 

Is that today's bedtime story? 

Where do you get your "facts" from?

Thomas Sandgaard believes Johnnie Jackson is a future Charlton manager and hopes he will be ready for the top job at the Valley after “a couple more years” working under Nigel Adkins.……..

Evening Standard and SLP