I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?
No. I’ve worked with hundreds of people for a lot longer that 2 years and never spoken to them since.
I have worked with many people over the years and not spoken to them......when I was with them.
I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.
To a greater or lesser extent the story of every ownership (discounting ESI2) over the last decade is the same - movement from optimism/goodwill to disappointment/ antagonism. The timescale and depth of disillusionment differed but the trajectory has been the same. I think that is more accurate than “two camps” - it is a dynamic and people move from one to the other position over time. The movement has been one way only.
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.
The trouble is our fan base have been scarred from the wankers as you technically call them, has your stance changed on TS? As your tone of post regarding him seems to have changed or am I misinterpreting things( easily done) are we in danger of trying to find TS out as you say and eventually push the guy away for what has been described as naive mistakes?. If the people with an agenda against him have concrete evidence that history is repeating then show the evidence so it can be acted upon, otherwise it could end in tears and open ourselves up to Thomas giving it bollox, and low and behold we’re asking the same questions of the new incumbent, eventually the doubters are going to have to accept what we have and not what they would want in a perfect world.
I’m not sure who the people “who have an agenda” against TS are or what their “agenda” is, But I do recognise this as the way any criticism of the spivs, Duchatelet and ESI was dismissed. Until it wasn’t.
So based upon the one part you’ve chosen to address, as I’ve said before a lot of what you say is listened to being that you do the Charlton fanzine and seem to be a bit more Itk, are you suggesting now that we should be comparing Thomas to the shitbags previously, as me being someone not itk would like to know. As for the agendas , It’s pretty clear there are people not in support of TS, naturally there will always be, They’re agenda would be to not have him owning the club I’m guessing,which really unless we start creating a new dossier, he will be around for a while.but I’m pretty sure I didn’t really to explain that to you. We don’t need cryptic clues just facts is my point really.
I’m not suggesting what you or anyone else should think, cryptically or otherwise. I’m attacking the simplistic and lazy idea that the options are binary and that anyone who expresses doubts about TS must have “an agenda”.
The thing is Rick, you must realise that as the go to person for the MSM and local hacks for your quotes and interviews with anything like this, they do so based on your history for activism and calling things out, anything you may suggest or imply goes a lot further than say mine would. You have far many more contacts within the club, ex employees and the media than most, whether you like it or not, people will latch onto the merest hint or comment you make, substantiated or not, of course, your not responsible for peoples assumptions, but you must realise that?
Is TS perfect? No Is he anywhere near the levels of shithousery, incompetence and criminal behaviour of previous incumbents, No Has he made mistakes, Yes, but I believe all to do with inexperience, naivety and ego rather than some Machiavellian plot.
Rant over
He did say Elvis was over rated :- )
But, yes I agree.
He wants success in the same way we fans do.
Actually, a friend of mine who also happens to be a big Elvis fan, was talking to him in the Oak the last time he was over and she told me that he said he was a big Elvis fan also, so stick that in your cardigan pocket with your boiled sweets, I’m more itk than you 😜
I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.
To a greater or lesser extent the story of every ownership (discounting ESI2) over the last decade is the same - movement from optimism/goodwill to disappointment/ antagonism. The timescale and depth of disillusionment differed but the trajectory has been the same. I think that is more accurate than “two camps” - it is a dynamic and people move from one to the other position over time. The movement has been one way only.
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.
The trouble is our fan base have been scarred from the wankers as you technically call them, has your stance changed on TS? As your tone of post regarding him seems to have changed or am I misinterpreting things( easily done) are we in danger of trying to find TS out as you say and eventually push the guy away for what has been described as naive mistakes?. If the people with an agenda against him have concrete evidence that history is repeating then show the evidence so it can be acted upon, otherwise it could end in tears and open ourselves up to Thomas giving it bollox, and low and behold we’re asking the same questions of the new incumbent, eventually the doubters are going to have to accept what we have and not what they would want in a perfect world.
I’m not sure who the people “who have an agenda” against TS are or what their “agenda” is, But I do recognise this as the way any criticism of the spivs, Duchatelet and ESI was dismissed. Until it wasn’t.
So based upon the one part you’ve chosen to address, as I’ve said before a lot of what you say is listened to being that you do the Charlton fanzine and seem to be a bit more Itk, are you suggesting now that we should be comparing Thomas to the shitbags previously, as me being someone not itk would like to know. As for the agendas , It’s pretty clear there are people not in support of TS, naturally there will always be, They’re agenda would be to not have him owning the club I’m guessing,which really unless we start creating a new dossier, he will be around for a while.but I’m pretty sure I didn’t really to explain that to you. We don’t need cryptic clues just facts is my point really.
I’m not suggesting what you or anyone else should think, cryptically or otherwise. I’m attacking the simplistic and lazy idea that the options are binary and that anyone who expresses doubts about TS must have “an agenda”.
The thing is Rick, you must realise that as the go to person for the MSM and local hacks for your quotes and interviews with anything like this, they do so based on your history for activism and calling things out, anything you may suggest or imply goes a lot further than say mine would. You have far many more contacts within the club, ex employees and the media than most, whether you like it or not, people will latch onto the merest hint or comment you make, substantiated or not, of course, your not responsible for peoples assumptions, but you must realise that?
Which is exactly why I’m not saying much at present.
Is TS perfect? No Is he anywhere near the levels of shithousery, incompetence and criminal behaviour of previous incumbents, No Has he made mistakes, Yes, but I believe all to do with inexperience, naivety and ego rather than some Machiavellian plot.
Rant over
He did say Elvis was over rated :- )
But, yes I agree.
He wants success in the same way we fans do.
Actually, a friend of mine who also happens to be a big Elvis fan, was talking to him in the Oak the last time he was over and she told me that he said he was a big Elvis fan also, so stick that in your cardigan pocket with your boiled sweets, I’m more itk than you 😜
Elvis was in The Oak ?
There’s a guy works down the Oak swears he’s Elvis
I would like to see him involved in ‘some way or another’ on the team/playing side of things. Not sure how that could be accomplished though, first off an agreement with the new manager would need to be made in order that he would agree to the idea. Of course……..would Curbs himself be interested?
This is getting silly now. Curbs is a total legend here and always will be but he makes no secret of the fact that he doesnt watch football much anymore, he appears on Charlton TV and gives his opinion on the match to hand. He is at a stage in life where football is way down the agenda. Let the fella enjoy himself
Is there an obvious link between Lennon and McLeish?
Only that they both were at Reading at the same time.........
Or they both worked in Glasgow at a similar time. Both ex Hibs managers. Dont share the same agent.
Its strange that Lennon is backed so strongly yet there hasnt been a mention at all of any substance and he wasnt linked last time we he was actually avaliable.
I would like to see him involved in ‘some way or another’ on the team/playing side of things. Not sure how that could be accomplished though, first off an agreement with the new manager would need to be made in order that he would agree to the idea. Of course……..would Curbs himself be interested?
This is getting silly now. Curbs is a total legend here and always will be but he makes no secret of the fact that he doesnt watch football much anymore, he appears on Charlton TV and gives his opinion on the match to hand. He is at a stage in life where football is way down the agenda. Let the fella enjoy himself
You know all that do you…..by the way, I did say he may not be interested anyway. Nothing about getting silly at all……if he fancies it great, if not fair enough.
Lennon is a strange one, because most of his managerial career has been at Celtic over two spells. I know he was at Bolton and Hibs but got memory of if he did a good job etc.
Without making this a comment about Celtic or Rangers. Not really sure that managerial experience is relevant to fighting for promotion in league 1. Would say a manager who is experienced at the other 10 SPL would be far better suited as being able to compete with lower resources instead of buying the best players in the league .
Is TS perfect? No Is he anywhere near the levels of shithousery, incompetence and criminal behaviour of previous incumbents, No Has he made mistakes, Yes, but I believe all to do with inexperience, naivety and ego rather than some Machiavellian plot.
Rant over
He did say Elvis was over rated :- )
But, yes I agree.
He wants success in the same way we fans do.
Actually, a friend of mine who also happens to be a big Elvis fan, was talking to him in the Oak the last time he was over and she told me that he said he was a big Elvis fan also, so stick that in your cardigan pocket with your boiled sweets, I’m more itk than you 😜 no I think she said shaking Stevens mate😉
Lennon is a strange one, because most of his managerial career has been at Celtic over two spells. I know he was at Bolton and Hibs but got memory of if he did a good job etc.
Without making this a comment about Celtic or Rangers. Not really sure that managerial experience is relevant to fighting for promotion in league 1. Would say a manager who is experienced at the other 10 SPL would be far better suited as being able to compete with lower resources instead of buying the best players in the league .
Hibs fans liked him and buying the best players in the league is not exactly the worst plan.
I would like to see him involved in ‘some way or another’ on the team/playing side of things. Not sure how that could be accomplished though, first off an agreement with the new manager would need to be made in order that he would agree to the idea. Of course……..would Curbs himself be interested?
This is getting silly now. Curbs is a total legend here and always will be but he makes no secret of the fact that he doesnt watch football much anymore, he appears on Charlton TV and gives his opinion on the match to hand. He is at a stage in life where football is way down the agenda. Let the fella enjoy himself
You know all that do you…..by the way, I did say he may not be interested anyway. Nothing about getting silly at all……if he fancies it great, if not fair enough.
It wasnt a dig at you mate. There are loads of people who keep crying out for it and yes I do know that, he has said so countless times on CATV. He has 3-4 holidays a year ( good luck to him he deserves them ) and is always saying that he has no idea about other teams as he doesnt watch football much anymore. I would be gutted if he did step up due to the risk to his lasting legacy with us.
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Was that when you were a Carthusian monk?
You have far many more contacts within the club, ex employees and the media than most, whether you like it or not, people will latch onto the merest hint or comment you make, substantiated or not, of course, your not responsible for peoples assumptions, but you must realise that?
Next.
I’ll get me coat…..
Sorry if this has been previously answered. Haven't got time to read everything.
Think of all the Lennon & McCartney puns.
Green and white hooped away shirts, we'd all love it.
Or they both worked in Glasgow at a similar time. Both ex Hibs managers. Dont share the same agent.
Its strange that Lennon is backed so strongly yet there hasnt been a mention at all of any substance and he wasnt linked last time we he was actually avaliable.
Nothing about getting silly at all……if he fancies it great, if not
fair enough.
Without making this a comment about Celtic or Rangers. Not really sure that managerial experience is relevant to fighting for promotion in league 1. Would say a manager who is experienced at the other 10 SPL would be far better suited as being able to compete with lower resources instead of buying the best players in the league
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I've changed my mind. Make Lennon manager
Genuinely interested in the answer.
Have you any plans to return to management? Future plans if not?
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