JOHNNIE JACKSON - managed AFC Wimbledon to 2025 League 2 Play-off Final victory(p46)

I'm not anti TS but all of his decisions in terms of appointments have not worked.  Neither have any of the transfer windows been a success.

That is my biggest concern at present

Jacko will always be a legend at this club so nothing has changed on that score. If he had no say on the recruitment then he is probably best of out of it as he would want to be
involved. 

Neither would it bother me if I got the sack from a job if it was done on the phone or in person, it would hurt like mad either way when you have given so much for that organisation over a long time.  What concerns me more is what it says about our owner he thought it was ok to do it not in person. 

Like  said at the start I'm not anti TS.  Unlike previous owners he wants success on the pitch. If he succeeds then we will all be happy, so I will still go and be behind the club.  Just don't expect me to blindly praise the owner when on the pitch he has so far achieved nothing. 

Fanny Fanackapan said:

OK, fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion including me.

If my post came across as basically a rant about the dismissal of Jacko, then I clearly haven't explained my thoughts very well. 

Yes, I do believe he should have been given the opportunity to bring in his own players, although I wonder how much input ANY  manager under Sandgaard will be allowed.

But I still maintain that TS gave out vibes until fairly recently that indicated our gaffer was going to be around for the coming season ....and that was well before the Ipswich game. 

And what will stay with me for a long period of time is the disrespectful manner in which he was given his marching orders. That's NOT the Charlton way ( OK, grin if you like, I really don't give a feck but I have standards!) It's a shame that there are no further Charlton TV inhouse discussions to ascertain what Curbs' view is on the subject but we have already heard the views of a former, well respected defender & that doesn't seem to change opinions on here or even put a question mark over our owner's ability to  get things right NEXT time....Why would anyone question the views of Browny & Morts who are Charlton "people" like ourselves with no axe to grind ? They both stated that it would appear Thomas is looking for a manager that has little or no say in recruitment or even tactics....indeed a Head Coach. Is that what you feel is the way forward for our football club ? It was also said that when an owner starts to talk tactics, a red flag should be hoisted....

Yes, there are some emotions involved in my posts but I'm as much concerned about next season & whether our owner will have learnt from this season's experience. Will he now bring in people with more football knowledge to assist him in the big decisions regarding matters on the pitch ? Or will he proceed in micro managing every aspect of our club rather than trust the expertise of his staff ? These are the questions perhaps you dedicated fans should be asking yourselves at this crucial moment in time when we all want early recruitment for the forthcoming season ( a lesson learned from last time ?) but most importantly the right manager.

I guess only time will tell and I'm prepared to hold up my hands & eat humble pie if I'm proved to be well wide of the mark. I can't say fairer than that.

How about those of you who appear to trust TS to make the correct  decisions? 

TS did more than give out vibes. he categorically said that JJ would be manager next season.
He could have been finally convinced when we lost 4-0 at Ipswich and it should have been 7.
Who thought we're getting promoted next season after that, not me?

But it's his £16M spent so far, so I accept it's his decision.

You refer to Curbs, who was at the Bromley meeting.
I'm not repeating what Curbs said in confidence, when asked about recent performances, because he understandably didn't want to talk about it.

He spoke about needing to keep it tight at the back and the fact that we were shipping the same type of goals week in, week out and needed to score 3 or 4 most games to win, which would never work.

I think everyone in the room new what he was thinking, but he stopped himself after a while and said I've said too much already (out of loyalty to Jacko).

Curbs didn't say it, but it is my opinion that he thought Jacko was wrong to play such an open game, shipping goals like confetti and playing a formation that he didn't have the players to play.
Who plays a wing back formation, when they don't have a wing back?
3 centre backs, when you're playing full backs and midfielders as centre backs?

Whether we want a coach or manager makes no difference as to whether Jacko was the man to get us promoted next season.

I think most of us have doubts as to whether the next coach/manager will be a success and whether TS is running the club properly, but that is nothing to do with Jacko being/not being the man to lead us to promotion next season.

Fanny, it sounds harsh and I don't meant to be, but was you going to have a bet on Charlton for promotion next season/confident Jacko would get us promoted?

When it comes to Charlton I'm always the optimist, but I wasn't even going to back us to finish top half under Jacko.

Finally, I'm far from confident he will make the correct appointment, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be looking for a better manager/coach.

Sorry Fanny, but I'd probably be as upset as you if I'd just bought Jacko a present. 

Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.

1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.

2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive. 

3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.

4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!

Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol

This thread truly is an embarrassing, awkward read. Some of the blind loyalty and sycophancy surrounding Jackson (and his plethora of inadequacies as a football manager) is vomit inducing!

I'm off to the HoC group! 

No blind loyalty from me, bazjonster. Just respect for a good man who did his utmost against the odds of possibly/probably an interfering owner who never planned to make him a permanent fixture in the first place.

RoanRedNY's post explains my gut feelings far better than a passionate, emotional old Addick could, so many thanks  for not over interpreting the caution & degree of negativity I alluded to. 

I shall await with increasing interest to see how the relationship between TS & his latest recruit pans out ....hopefully positively for all our sakes. After all, everyone wants the same thing - success on the pitch.

But I'm not holding my breath. 

Stubborn is as stubborn does....

Prospects for next season - CAST survey before JJ axed

4% of respondents think that Charlton will gain automatic promotion next season and 50% think that we will reach the play-offs.  39% envisage a 7th-12th place finish and 7% bottom half but not relegated. No one is predicting relegation. This time last year 51% thought we would gain automatic promotion and 47% predicted the play-offs.

Covered End said:

Prospects for next season - CAST survey before JJ axed

4% of respondents think that Charlton will gain automatic promotion next season and 50% think that we will reach the play-offs.  39% envisage a 7th-12th place finish and 7% bottom half but not relegated. No one is predicting relegation. This time last year 51% thought we would gain automatic promotion and 47% predicted the play-offs.

I was probably the most optimistic person on here this time last year.  I thought a top half finish was "free money" from the bookies.  Even after the first game I though we would get a bit of quality in and still make a fist of it.  After the window shut I thought we would be there or there abouts.

Right now I wouldn't put a penny on top half next season.

Cafc43v3r said:

Covered End said:

Prospects for next season - CAST survey before JJ axed

4% of respondents think that Charlton will gain automatic promotion next season and 50% think that we will reach the play-offs.  39% envisage a 7th-12th place finish and 7% bottom half but not relegated. No one is predicting relegation. This time last year 51% thought we would gain automatic promotion and 47% predicted the play-offs.

I was probably the most optimistic person on here this time last year.  I thought a top half finish was "free money" from the bookies.  Even after the first game I though we would get a bit of quality in and still make a fist of it.  After the window shut I thought we would be there or there abouts.

Right now I wouldn't put a penny on top half next season.

Ditto 100%.

Cafc43v3r said:

AndyG said:

Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.

1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.

2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive. 

3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.

4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!

Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol

Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.

Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.

It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.

I can’t agree with 4, it’s been more years than I can remember since I was  flexible enough to insert pate into anus.

Cafc43v3r said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

AndyG said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

No blind loyalty from me, bazjonster. Just respect for a good man who did his utmost against the odds of possibly/probably an interfering owner who never planned to make him a permanent fixture in the first place.

RoanRedNY's post explains my gut feelings far better than a passionate, emotional old Addick could, so many thanks  for not over interpreting the caution & degree of negativity I alluded to. 

I shall await with increasing interest to see how the relationship between TS & his latest recruit pans out ....hopefully positively.

But I'm not holding my breath. 

Stubborn is as stubborn does....

Fanny can I ask you question. Do you honestly think JJ got acceptable performances last season ?

All this have a window to spend a few million to get your players in rubbish is pie in the sky. Name me a team anywhere that does that when a manager comes in ?

We have no idea if there is interference with team tactics or selection or not that is all gossip.

I dont want you to think I'm against JJ I'm not but in the cold light of day it was the right decision surely. 

I would love a poll on here asking the question would JJ have made us top half next season 

But I have never said that performances were acceptable although you are looking at the time he was in charge overall. And where have I said that " a few million" would be required to bring in players that Jacko might have identified as being ideal for his squad ? You're claiming multiple things that I haven't posted ! We're all too aware that Sandgaard has already made it clear his budget will be carefully utilised....and that inputting silly money doesn't guarantee success. 

You can't argue with the great start to his tenure...or was that not good enough for you ? 

And it's SO easy to ignore the lengthy period when both Wash & Stockley were injured. Easy to conveniently "forget" that period &  I'd challenge any manager, even one with far more experience than Jacko, to have adequately coped with it. 

AND to ignore what 75% or more of Lifers have been saying about the squad in general...."they're not good enough !" ..especially as none of them were brought in by him. 

TBH, those of you accusing me of wearing rose tinted specs where Jacko's record is concerned should re read my posts without immediately thinking " Silly old woman! She knows nothing about football!" The same goes for the question of whether Jacko would have made us top half next season....With the squad that finished the season, probably I'd answer in the negative.

But as with ANY manager if asked about the players he'd like to add to his squad, and if the owner knew sufficient about players in the EFL and was prepared to invest accordingly, who knows what the outcome might be. 

All the things your saying Jackson should have had got the chance to have over the summer are all the things the manager should have got last summer.

Do you have any confidence he would have got them?  If not it doesn't really matter that he was sacked now not next October does it?

Didn't Adkins deserve to get them as well?

So who are you saying is the problem then ? 

Not Adkins, not Jacko ....and what about the next manager ? Will he get the opportunity to bring in players that HE wants ?

Fanny Fanackapan said:

AndyG said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

No blind loyalty from me, bazjonster. Just respect for a good man who did his utmost against the odds of possibly/probably an interfering owner who never planned to make him a permanent fixture in the first place.

RoanRedNY's post explains my gut feelings far better than a passionate, emotional old Addick could, so many thanks  for not over interpreting the caution & degree of negativity I alluded to. 

I shall await with increasing interest to see how the relationship between TS & his latest recruit pans out ....hopefully positively.

But I'm not holding my breath. 

Stubborn is as stubborn does....

Fanny can I ask you question. Do you honestly think JJ got acceptable performances last season ?

All this have a window to spend a few million to get your players in rubbish is pie in the sky. Name me a team anywhere that does that when a manager comes in ?

We have no idea if there is interference with team tactics or selection or not that is all gossip.

I dont want you to think I'm against JJ I'm not but in the cold light of day it was the right decision surely. 

I would love a poll on here asking the question would JJ have made us top half next season 

But I have never said that performances were acceptable although you are looking at the time he was in charge overall. And where have I said that " a few million" would be required to bring in players that Jacko might have identified as being ideal for his squad ? You're claiming multiple things that I haven't posted ! We're all too aware that Sandgaard has already made it clear his budget will be carefully utilised....and that inputting silly money doesn't guarantee success. 

You can't argue with the great start to his tenure...or was that not good enough for you ? 

And it's SO easy to ignore the lengthy period when both Wash & Stockley were injured. Easy to conveniently "forget" that period &  I'd challenge any manager, even one with far more experience than Jacko, to have adequately coped with it. 

AND to ignore what 75% or more of Lifers have been saying about the squad in general...."they're not good enough !" ..especially as none of them were brought in by him. 

TBH, those of you accusing me of wearing rose tinted specs where Jacko's record is concerned should re read my posts without immediately thinking " Silly old woman! She knows nothing about football!" The same goes for the question of whether Jacko would have made us top half next season....With the squad that finished the season, probably I'd answer in the negative.

But as with ANY manager if asked about the players he'd like to add to his squad, and if the owner knew sufficient about players in the EFL and was prepared to invest accordingly, who knows what the outcome might be. 

I agree he had a great start and that injuries put a stop to that, but the difficult part of management is solving problems that crop up in any season. Sticking to a rigid 3-5-2 when you haven’t got two strikers to play there just does not make sense to me. Not having CH’s on the pitch but two on the bench? Continuously conceding goals with balls being played behind the wing backs into huge open spaces over and over again? 

Dazzler21 said:

Redrobo said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

AndyG said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

No blind loyalty from me, bazjonster. Just respect for a good man who did his utmost against the odds of possibly/probably an interfering owner who never planned to make him a permanent fixture in the first place.

RoanRedNY's post explains my gut feelings far better than a passionate, emotional old Addick could, so many thanks  for not over interpreting the caution & degree of negativity I alluded to. 

I shall await with increasing interest to see how the relationship between TS & his latest recruit pans out ....hopefully positively.

But I'm not holding my breath. 

Stubborn is as stubborn does....

Fanny can I ask you question. Do you honestly think JJ got acceptable performances last season ?

All this have a window to spend a few million to get your players in rubbish is pie in the sky. Name me a team anywhere that does that when a manager comes in ?

We have no idea if there is interference with team tactics or selection or not that is all gossip.

I dont want you to think I'm against JJ I'm not but in the cold light of day it was the right decision surely. 

I would love a poll on here asking the question would JJ have made us top half next season 

But I have never said that performances were acceptable although you are looking at the time he was in charge overall. And where have I said that " a few million" would be required to bring in players that Jacko might have identified as being ideal for his squad ? You're claiming multiple things that I haven't posted ! We're all too aware that Sandgaard has already made it clear his budget will be carefully utilised....and that inputting silly money doesn't guarantee success. 

You can't argue with the great start to his tenure...or was that not good enough for you ? 

And it's SO easy to ignore the lengthy period when both Wash & Stockley were injured. Easy to conveniently "forget" that period &  I'd challenge any manager, even one with far more experience than Jacko, to have adequately coped with it. 

AND to ignore what 75% or more of Lifers have been saying about the squad in general...."they're not good enough !" ..especially as none of them were brought in by him. 

TBH, those of you accusing me of wearing rose tinted specs where Jacko's record is concerned should re read my posts without immediately thinking " Silly old woman! She knows nothing about football!" The same goes for the question of whether Jacko would have made us top half next season....With the squad that finished the season, probably I'd answer in the negative.

But as with ANY manager if asked about the players he'd like to add to his squad, and if the owner knew sufficient about players in the EFL and was prepared to invest accordingly, who knows what the outcome might be. 

I agree he had a great start and that injuries put a stop to that, but the difficult part of management is solving problems that crop up in any season. Sticking to a rigid 3-5-2 when you haven’t got two strikers to play there just does not make sense to me. Not having CH’s on the pitch but two on the bench? Continuously conceding goals with balls being played behind the wing backs into huge open spaces over and over again? 

I don’t know if any other manager would have had more success, but not even trying something different is poor. If he had changed things up and even played some of our youth players I think many would be more supportive. At the end of the day he is not good enough yet to take us forward.

I also think he was playing what he thought was his best players and in a formation he believed in to get the points to keep his job. I think a lot of fans thought he needed a DOF like Curbishley to help him through and I think if he had, he would probably still be here. 

I mean when Wash and Stockley were injured and all we had was a reasonably quick forward in Burstow, we absolutely couldn't put Jaiyesimi and CBT either side of him for a few games. 

Wasn't CBT injured for some of those games as well though?

wmcf123 said:

PWADDICK said:

This is embarrassing 

Sandgaard is, no doubt, a tool, whether the sacking of Jackson was right or not.  

I heard it takes one to know one. Your post supports that.

Cafc43v3r said:

AndyG said:

Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.

1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.

2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive. 

3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.

4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!

Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol

Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.

Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.

It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.

Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?

Fanny Fanackapan said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

AndyG said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

No blind loyalty from me, bazjonster. Just respect for a good man who did his utmost against the odds of possibly/probably an interfering owner who never planned to make him a permanent fixture in the first place.

RoanRedNY's post explains my gut feelings far better than a passionate, emotional old Addick could, so many thanks  for not over interpreting the caution & degree of negativity I alluded to. 

I shall await with increasing interest to see how the relationship between TS & his latest recruit pans out ....hopefully positively.

But I'm not holding my breath. 

Stubborn is as stubborn does....

Fanny can I ask you question. Do you honestly think JJ got acceptable performances last season ?

All this have a window to spend a few million to get your players in rubbish is pie in the sky. Name me a team anywhere that does that when a manager comes in ?

We have no idea if there is interference with team tactics or selection or not that is all gossip.

I dont want you to think I'm against JJ I'm not but in the cold light of day it was the right decision surely. 

I would love a poll on here asking the question would JJ have made us top half next season 

But I have never said that performances were acceptable although you are looking at the time he was in charge overall. And where have I said that " a few million" would be required to bring in players that Jacko might have identified as being ideal for his squad ? You're claiming multiple things that I haven't posted ! We're all too aware that Sandgaard has already made it clear his budget will be carefully utilised....and that inputting silly money doesn't guarantee success. 

You can't argue with the great start to his tenure...or was that not good enough for you ? 

And it's SO easy to ignore the lengthy period when both Wash & Stockley were injured. Easy to conveniently "forget" that period &  I'd challenge any manager, even one with far more experience than Jacko, to have adequately coped with it. 

AND to ignore what 75% or more of Lifers have been saying about the squad in general...."they're not good enough !" ..especially as none of them were brought in by him. 

TBH, those of you accusing me of wearing rose tinted specs where Jacko's record is concerned should re read my posts without immediately thinking " Silly old woman! She knows nothing about football!" The same goes for the question of whether Jacko would have made us top half next season....With the squad that finished the season, probably I'd answer in the negative.

But as with ANY manager if asked about the players he'd like to add to his squad, and if the owner knew sufficient about players in the EFL and was prepared to invest accordingly, who knows what the outcome might be. 

All the things your saying Jackson should have had got the chance to have over the summer are all the things the manager should have got last summer.

Do you have any confidence he would have got them?  If not it doesn't really matter that he was sacked now not next October does it?

Didn't Adkins deserve to get them as well?

So who are you saying is the problem then ? 

Not Adkins, not Jacko ....and what about the next manager ? Will he get the opportunity to bring in players that HE wants ?

Same people saying that TS doesn't let the manager have an input in transfer policy are the same people angry about Conor Washington's agent being rumored to have been told the new manager will decide if his contract is renewed.