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JOHNNIE JACKSON - managed AFC Wimbledon to 2025 League 2 Play-off Final victory(p46)
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If we had just appointed Jacko as interim until the end of season, all these fun and games could have been avoided. He would have got a longer run to impress, the fans would have been provided a clear message. Everybody could have taken stock at the timeframe provided from the onset.
Maybe this is where a footballing person or ceo would have helped, from their experience.6 -
I thought it was a good interview, almost like he read through a couple of threads running on here😀.0
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I guess it's relative isn't it. Work isn't life, there are plenty of people who are good blokes but can be an absolute nightmare to work with. Didn't get on with the last manager, apparently started a rumour that upset this manager. It could all be fiction but all the players seem nice enough. Gilbey seems lovely, Pearce the same, Gunter looks fun, Clare, Purrington, Stockley, Leko, DJ, Inniss, all seem like nice chaps. They do seem to have tried really hard really briefly and then eased a manager out the door after a few weeks of effort though. Could be a toxic dressing room, could be that all these managers just couldn't do the job, but I find it hard to square the clean sheet run under Bowyer, the 10 match end of season run under Adkins and the start of Jackson's time, which large numbers of the squad were around for all of, with the jank we got served to us after those little periods of maximum effort burned out.Cafc43v3r said:
Well we all know who the player is. Most people would put him very near the bottom of the dick head list.Garrymanilow said:
More fuel to the 'these players are dickheads' fire to be honest. Some of them have just seen off their third manager and they only had 2 year contracts! Burn them allPWADDICK said:
This is embarrassing
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I mean he was basically that as caretaker manager and people were up in arms about why he wasn't being made permanent quicker. I think its just obvious that Sandgaard can't keep all the fan base happy whatever he does, unless, we are getting promoted.mendonca said:If we had just appointed Jacko as interim until the end of season, all these fun and games could have been avoided. He would have got a longer run to impress, the fans would have been provided a clear message. Everybody could have taken stock at the timeframe provided from the onset.
Maybe this is where a footballing person or ceo would have helped, from their experience.1 -
I am more and more convinced that last Saturday felt like a piss taking betrayal for Sandgaard. He might’ve thought ‘I am putting money in, doing what I can for good or ill, but have a manager and players metaphorically shrugging as it is the last game, and kicking the loyal travelling support in the teeth’.
Sandgaard might have had a passing interest in other managers/coaches but he is human, it is his money, and the footballing side of the club decided to make no effort. It pissed him off.
As for the red herring about Sandgaard wanting to dictate the style of play I don’t especially buy that. What he wants is what we all want, points and performances, and when it doesn’t happen he is trying to work out why. There have been countless examples where owners and directors seek to gain a bit of kudos by appearing savvy about football, It has ever been thus, but adds up to very little of significance.
Len Shackleton had that aspect of things sussed.9 -
balham red said:
I mean he was basically that as caretaker manager and people were up in arms about why he wasn't being made permanent quicker. I think its just obvious that Sandgaard can't keep all the fan base happy whatever he does, unless, we are getting promoted.mendonca said:If we had just appointed Jacko as interim until the end of season, all these fun and games could have been avoided. He would have got a longer run to impress, the fans would have been provided a clear message. Everybody could have taken stock at the timeframe provided from the onset.
Maybe this is where a footballing person or ceo would have helped, from their experience.
TS is the owner and he shouldn’t be just bowing to fan pressure. If he didn’t want Jacko he should have just kept him as caretaker.1 -
He was but the message was that it was an ongoing basis with that unnecessary reference to it being reviewed after a specific number of games. If that message was that he would be caretaker manager until the end of season, then I do think this would have been a smoother ride. I think that's the area TS likes to hold the cards/media/talksport. If an Owner owns no assets of a Club, he is going to want to have his joy in other ways.balham red said:
I mean he was basically that as caretaker manager and people were up in arms about why he wasn't being made permanent quicker. I think its just obvious that Sandgaard can't keep all the fan base happy whatever he does, unless, we are getting promoted.mendonca said:If we had just appointed Jacko as interim until the end of season, all these fun and games could have been avoided. He would have got a longer run to impress, the fans would have been provided a clear message. Everybody could have taken stock at the timeframe provided from the onset.
Maybe this is where a footballing person or ceo would have helped, from their experience.0 -
https://twitter.com/questtv/status/1469798714038530055?s=21&t=AlEwr3k_I4dlV18dl8dsDQmendonca said:
He was but the message was that it was an ongoing basis with that unnecessary reference to it being reviewed after a specific number of games. If that message was that he would be caretaker manager until the end of season, then I do think this would have been a smoother ride. I think that's the area TS likes to hold the cards/media/talksport. If an Owner owns no assets of a Club, he is going to want to have his joy in other ways.balham red said:
I mean he was basically that as caretaker manager and people were up in arms about why he wasn't being made permanent quicker. I think its just obvious that Sandgaard can't keep all the fan base happy whatever he does, unless, we are getting promoted.mendonca said:If we had just appointed Jacko as interim until the end of season, all these fun and games could have been avoided. He would have got a longer run to impress, the fans would have been provided a clear message. Everybody could have taken stock at the timeframe provided from the onset.
Maybe this is where a footballing person or ceo would have helped, from their experience.
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He was smart about it with the contract he gave him. I think people forget the strength of feeling behind Jacko at the time, particularly during that winning run.The Red Robin said:balham red said:
I mean he was basically that as caretaker manager and people were up in arms about why he wasn't being made permanent quicker. I think its just obvious that Sandgaard can't keep all the fan base happy whatever he does, unless, we are getting promoted.mendonca said:If we had just appointed Jacko as interim until the end of season, all these fun and games could have been avoided. He would have got a longer run to impress, the fans would have been provided a clear message. Everybody could have taken stock at the timeframe provided from the onset.
Maybe this is where a footballing person or ceo would have helped, from their experience.
TS is the owner and he shouldn’t be just bowing to fan pressure. If he didn’t want Jacko he should have just kept him as caretaker.3 -
Great post. I personally thought it was good article/interview and it's great we have an owner who is willing to speak to the press and give his thoughts.Clem_Snide said:Not sure how people are criticising that interview. He hasn't said anything unreasonable, hasn't indicated that he was interfering with team selection, has explained that the "leak" was caused by the player or his agent and said in an ideal world he would have sacked him face to face.The stirrings of a witch hunt against Sandergaard are embarrassing. Someone compared him to Roland and said he was worse!!!! WTAF? Going to Denver to protest....what are you protesting against? Sacking someone who oversaw some utter dross and who's tactics saw us concede the same goals week after week and most weeks saw a significant percentage of fans bemoaning the crap they were seeing and in my case bored shirtless.For what it's worth, I think his heart is in the right place, he is what Brits would refer to as a "bit eccentric" and probably arrogant, that is clearly rubbing people up the wrong way.The accusations of not spending money are ridiculous. An 8m loss last year and another one this year......how is covering that not spending? Fraser and Stockley would not have been cheap either.I stopped listening to the BBC London thing as it was so one sided it was laughable.
We heard literally fuck all for years under RD, and now we have an owner who is very public and explains his decisions, people still criticise that.
In my opinion there's very little in that article that people can disagree or argue with.6 -
Exactly this 100%. Appreciate that this has divided opinions but all I can say is personally I got to the point that we were just dross and boring to watch regardless of results and JJ was coming out defending the performances as acceptable. As far as I'm concerned it is the right decision based on cold hard facts and not sentiment. When the dust settles I'm sure JJ will look back and wish he had done things differently and learn from it. I wish him all the best in the future but going into next season with the same set up would imo lead to the same shitebalham red said:
Yeah he's pretty much saying what a large section of the fan base has been saying about Jackson's management for a while.Leuth said:“But there are the fans who understand that maybe we could do better in terms of how we show up at games, the formation we play, our flexibility if a game develops differently to what we expected – how quickly can we transform and adjust to those things? Substitutions etc, there are many things that some fans have picked up on that maybe we could do differently.”
Sandgaard 100% correct here. Bolton away was the one time we really mixed it up during a game and it WORKED - they got a sucker-punch winner, sure, but finally we saw some flexibility - and then never again. I know it's the sort of thing you learn to do as a manager, but JJ had been assistant coach for how long?
Puts an end to the conspiracy theorists saying Sandgaard forced JJ to play 3-5-2. And underlines the madness that he spent 80% of a season playing it without having the players for it.3 -
Sorry, what player was it that leaked the news to JJ?0
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Couldn't agree more. Even this season we have seen a real lack of self discipline and for want of a better expression self respect.Garrymanilow said:
I guess it's relative isn't it. Work isn't life, there are plenty of people who are good blokes but can be an absolute nightmare to work with. Didn't get on with the last manager, apparently started a rumour that upset this manager. It could all be fiction but all the players seem nice enough. Gilbey seems lovely, Pearce the same, Gunter looks fun, Clare, Purrington, Stockley, Leko, DJ, Inniss, all seem like nice chaps. They do seem to have tried really hard really briefly and then eased a manager out the door after a few weeks of effort though. Could be a toxic dressing room, could be that all these managers just couldn't do the job, but I find it hard to square the clean sheet run under Bowyer, the 10 match end of season run under Adkins and the start of Jackson's time, which large numbers of the squad were around for all of, with the jank we got served to us after those little periods of maximum effort burned out.Cafc43v3r said:
Well we all know who the player is. Most people would put him very near the bottom of the dick head list.Garrymanilow said:
More fuel to the 'these players are dickheads' fire to be honest. Some of them have just seen off their third manager and they only had 2 year contracts! Burn them allPWADDICK said:This is embarrassing2 -
Conor Washington or his agent leaked the news I think.ValleyGary said:Sorry, what player was it that leaked the news to JJ?6 -
Gilbey definitely would have been on penalty duties V Ipswich then.0
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Well, well, well.
My flabber is overwhelmingly gasted.
Lifers who are clearly falling on their knees, begging to kiss our owner's hand in adoration, and lapping up his every word ! WTF !.
To say I'm disappointed is the under statement of the year.
Before I add my own, carefully thought out comments on Sandgaard's "take" on Jacko's departure and all his musings about how we deserve better, the stability he's bringing to our club, what MIGHT have been done differently over the past season etc etc, I urge you to read Steve Brown's piece & his thoughts on the subject.
As loyal, sensible ( well, most!) & passionate Addicks, take a close look at Browny's words and then take a 2nd look at TS's.
Then post again, with your "sensible" head on and tell me who is telling it like it is, NOT putting a considerable spin on the way everything has panned out since last summer.
And who, on several occasions, is embroidering the truth, or indeed on at last one occasion in his piece, telling porkies.
Surely not this successful US businessman - our Messiah ( a label I agree with regarding his "Saving Charlton" coup back in the day) -whose intentions are to be lauded on the whole ?
Or that favourite Son of Charlton who never gave less than 100% performances wearing THE shirt & whose views we've found ourselves nodding with on Charlton TV & indeed an up front, honest as the day's long guy with no agenda of his own ?
Please re read both articles & spend a few minutes reflecting before you commit your thoughts to CL once again.
My final words are, I can assure you that Sandgaard had a pre planned 9am meeting in London ( probably at his hotel) with someone at our club the morning after Sunday's POTY dinner before he flew back over the Pond once again. Presumably this was more important than a face to face with the manager he appointed ....
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Thing is. Browny has no more of an inside track or authority than any of us. It’s just an opinion as valid as yours or mine.22
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Why does everything have to be so black and white with Charlton fans?
We can think some of what Sandgaard does isn't right but most of what he does do is in the best intentions. We don't lap up every word or kiss his arse as much as others don't hate him when they think he's wrong.
Its all so dramatic.46 - Sponsored links:
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We really need to separate our heads and hearts here.
The main argument is that JJ 'deserved' more time based on what he's done for the club and his status. Is that fair/right? There's a part of me that agrees with that but taking the emotion out of it - we should have been better regardless of it being "his team" and we weren't.
TS as an owner (and successful businessman) has got to where he has by making lots of tough decisions. Some right, some wrong but actually making them is the key part. Time will tell whether this one was right.
It's easy for all of us to make hypothetical decisions with the benefit of no consequence.24 -
BingoWSS said:We really need to separate our heads and hearts here.
The main argument is that JJ 'deserved' more time based on what he's done for the club and his status. Is that fair/right? There's a part of me that agrees with that but taking the emotion out of it - we should have been better regardless of it being "his team" and we weren't.
TS as an owner (and successful businessman) has got to where he has by making lots of tough decisions. Some right, some wrong but actually making them is the key part. Time will tell whether this one was right.1 -
There's much emotional, almost theatrical and poetic language being used of late on CL!2
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The Lord?ValleyOfTears said:Perhaps the new appointed Manager will be given total control (ie TS keeping out of things) I don't know about you but the owner should let his money do the talking and should not be popping up every week with a Tweet on every game etc
Time was when the likes of Clough, Shankly, Ferguson and Wenger were in charge. And the money men kept out the way. Any potential manager would take one look at this busybody with his awful guitar playing and wild pronouncements "we will p*** this league" and think "no thanks".
As for those talking about Dyche and Warnock et al!!! Erm, we are currently an inept third division side and they are premiership managers from the north. What on earth (other than a billion quid) would attract either to these backwaters.
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This is part of the reason why I was hesitant to go with Jackson in the first place.WSS said:We really need to separate our heads and hearts here.
The main argument is that JJ 'deserved' more time based on what he's done for the club and his status. Is that fair/right? There's a part of me that agrees with that but taking the emotion out of it - we should have been better regardless of it being "his team" and we weren't.
TS as an owner (and successful businessman) has got to where he has by making lots of tough decisions. Some right, some wrong but actually making them is the key part. Time will tell whether this one was right.
It's easy for all of us to make hypothetical decisions with the benefit of no consequence.
The hysteria surrounding him as the final 'one of us' was always going to end with a large minority of the fans revolting at any suggestion of replacing him.
Truth is, we've needed a complete clear-out since Bowyer. I had hoped Adkins would be given the chance but seems like the same players and coaches have been allowed to carry on for far too long now. Jackson being one of them.
New and fresh start needed.5 -
This, and now in usual TS style he’s flinging the blame at the player “a rumour started by a player in the dressing room”, what rumour…..it’s true! And why did the player, CW I assume, assume this - because junior told him? So that’s 2 rumours that would be true and twice the owner has thrown someone under the bus.Phil said:Sandgaard has had a couple of days to come up with this spin on things. It confirms that he didn't want JJ as has been said and I guess we all should have known that from the nature of the contract and the delay in getting it done.
As for the Connor thing.....how would the impression be given that a new manager may not want him unless the possibility of a new manager was inferred during the conversation? Looks like Junior messed up but I can't see him getting into hot water with pater.Why would any currently employed manager join this shower? And even unemployment wouldn’t be a major driver for me if there was anywhere else that I could go that was run properly, had realistic expectations and a half decent squad and wasn’t chewing through managers.The only people who think Charlton are a draw and a big name right now are us, from the outside we are a bit of a joke imo and just another under par Div 3 team, with a really bad song and some nice rented facilities6 -
If we never appoint another Charlton legend as manager for as long as I’m alive, that will be just fine. All of this hysteria is doing my head in9
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It is possible for 57 people to be wrong and in this case they are.balham red said:
Can't be that wrong, its got 57 likes.Uboat said:
Nicely written, but completely wrong.Leuth said:My opinion of my fellow Charlton fans has rarely been lower than it has in the last couple of days. There seems to be a whole industry of people who gained cred and followers opposing Duchatelet, who've had to lie dormant for a while, and who have now sensed the opportunity to doomsay, cavil, insinuate and rabble-rouse. TS hasn't done a single thing to genuinely alarm me yet. Frustrate, perhaps - he's new to this game - but the high-handed demands for us to 'worry about Charlton's future' feel to me like certain people want to be important again‘A whole industry of people’? Seriously?4 -
mendonca said:There's much emotional, almost theatrical and poetic language being used of late on CL!
Dear Thomas...
To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles....
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