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JOHNNIE JACKSON - managed AFC Wimbledon to 2025 League 2 Play-off Final victory(p46)
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It's the comments from TS that worry me more rather than the sacking itself. I will happily eat my words if we make a good appointment, play high pressing football and TS breaks the bank with a few signings resulting in promotion.AFKABartram said:So having had a chance to reflect I’d say it’s probably tilted towards the majority who reluctantly think it’s the right decision.What has surprised me though is the strength of feeling of the minority. I can’t tell whether it’s mainly due to the like & respect of Jacko as a man, or by being anti-Sandgaard, but some of it seems to me very OTT.Going to be an interesting summer. I was very un hopeful about the season ahead so will be interesting how we look back and reflect on this.
Football fans are incredibly fickle. Burnley fans were screaming blue murder at their owners three weeks ago.
Looking at the potential strength of the league already next season, this seems a million miles off.
Combine that with - IMO - a disrespectful sacking of a club legend, I am starting to feel like I am part of the anti TS brigade.13 -
Agree in the main. However I have to say that even as someone who is in the "reluctantly agree" camp, I have a lot of questions and concerns about the manner, the timing and the planning of this.AFKABartram said:So having had a chance to reflect I’d say it’s probably tilted towards the majority who reluctantly think it’s the right decision.What has surprised me though is the strength of feeling of the minority. I can’t tell whether it’s mainly due to the like & respect of Jacko as a man, or by being anti-Sandgaard, but some of it seems to me very OTT.Going to be an interesting summer. I was very un hopeful about the season ahead so will be interesting how we look back and reflect on this.
Football fans are incredibly fickle. Burnley fans were screaming blue murder at their owners three weeks ago.
If Sandgaard doesn't make exactly the right choice of next manager and does not make it very quickly, we're as bad off if not worse than we were if Jackson had stayed.
No decent manager is realistically going to accept a job where he is told by a committee what players to sign and what formation/style to play. And I'd be very dubious about a player who'd sign in these circumstances too.
Jackson going is honestly the "easy" bit. What comes next is crucial and my faith in Sandgaard is falling fast.10 -
thisNomadicAddick said:
It's the comments from TS that worry me more rather than the sacking itself. I will happily eat my words if we make a good appointment, play high pressing football and TS breaks the bank with a few signings resulting in promotion.AFKABartram said:So having had a chance to reflect I’d say it’s probably tilted towards the majority who reluctantly think it’s the right decision.What has surprised me though is the strength of feeling of the minority. I can’t tell whether it’s mainly due to the like & respect of Jacko as a man, or by being anti-Sandgaard, but some of it seems to me very OTT.Going to be an interesting summer. I was very un hopeful about the season ahead so will be interesting how we look back and reflect on this.
Football fans are incredibly fickle. Burnley fans were screaming blue murder at their owners three weeks ago.
Looking at the potential strength of the league already next season, this seems a million miles off.
Combine that with - IMO - a disrespectful sacking of a club legend, I am starting to feel like I am part of the anti TS brigade.1 -
There's zero evidence to say that Sandgaard will appoint anyone better- I think that's the concern among some of us. I'm not sold on JJ as a manager- the football has been poor for weeks and he is tactically rigid; I did not subscribe to the thought that he might have "done a Powell", who had similar shortcomings, IMO. However, let's see who we get- none of the names on the current favourites list fill me full of any excitement.AFKABartram said:So having had a chance to reflect I’d say it’s probably tilted towards the majority who reluctantly think it’s the right decision.What has surprised me though is the strength of feeling of the minority. I can’t tell whether it’s mainly due to the like & respect of Jacko as a man, or by being anti-Sandgaard, but some of it seems to me very OTT.Going to be an interesting summer. I was very un hopeful about the season ahead so will be interesting how we look back and reflect on this.
Football fans are incredibly fickle. Burnley fans were screaming blue murder at their owners three weeks ago.5 -
Bit late to this as I’ve been up a mountain. This is terrible news. We need continuity. This will be the fourth manager under Sandgaard. I’m sorry but I’m really starting to dislike the bloke. My guess is he puts a puppet in and starts picking the team himself.3
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As a matter of interest.who would fill you with excitement ? Genuine question. Not snarky.wmcf123 said:
There's zero evidence to say that Sandgaard will appoint anyone better- I think that's the concern among some of us. I'm not sold on JJ as a manager- the football has been poor for weeks and he is tactically rigid; I did not subscribe to the thought that he might have "done a Powell", who had similar shortcomings, IMO. However, let's see who we get- none of the names on the current favourites list fill me full of any excitement.AFKABartram said:So having had a chance to reflect I’d say it’s probably tilted towards the majority who reluctantly think it’s the right decision.What has surprised me though is the strength of feeling of the minority. I can’t tell whether it’s mainly due to the like & respect of Jacko as a man, or by being anti-Sandgaard, but some of it seems to me very OTT.Going to be an interesting summer. I was very un hopeful about the season ahead so will be interesting how we look back and reflect on this.
Football fans are incredibly fickle. Burnley fans were screaming blue murder at their owners three weeks ago.0 -
Personally speaking, the only way that I think JJ could have stayed is if he had been willing to accept a demotion (either to Assistant under a more experienced and, hopefully, tactically astute Manager/Head Coach, or back to the Under 21s).
That he is already gone is, from the fresh start point of view, a good thing.
Whether the fresh start will be is, however, moot.0 -
Cloudworm said:Bit late to this as I’ve been up a mountain. This is terrible news. We need continuity. This will be the fourth manager under Sandgaard. I’m sorry but I’m really starting to dislike the bloke. My guess is he puts a puppet in and starts picking the team himself.
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I would like to have given Jacko another chance with the new window in mind and given him until Christmas to see how it went with the ‘understanding’ that he was given until then, when the situation would be reviewed.
I feel he has been thrown under the bus here.
Like everyone else, I am gutted that such a great servant to the club has left under a bit of a cloud, he deserved better.5 - Sponsored links:
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Sandgaard is a danger to our club. He knows no more about soccer than many of us, he knows less about English soccer. However he states the type of game he wants the team to play and promotes his son, who also is inexperienced, to a senior position in our recruitment set up. He does not seem to take advise from those with experience. His managerial recruitment so far has been poor with the sacking of 4 of his recruits Roddy, Adkins Jackson and Skiverton.
My only hope is that he is a good businessman and as such once he realised that the team would not make 8th place he commenced recruiting Jackson's replacement, in which case a new manager should arrive within a week and can commence preparation for next season, if not.........?5 -
What do you think the chances of that are ?ShootersHillGuru said:
Or appoint a manager that can deliver both.Ormiston_Addick said:
This is the critical point, I would say that Jackson knows a lot more about how to get out of League One than a Danish medical instrument salesman.Scoham said:
Under both Powell and Bowyer we played with a target man (Yan and Lyle) and were very physical, often bullying teams into submission under Powell with sheer physicality with massive units like Taylor, Cort and Morrison.
Jackson knows this and understands that getting out of League One requires a certain style of play, Sangaard will have to find this out the hard way.0 -
what is this 'soccer' you speak of?lancashire lad said:Sandgaard is a danger to our club. He knows no more about soccer than many of us, he knows less about English soccer. However he states the type of game he wants the team to play and promotes his son, who also is inexperienced, to a senior position in our recruitment set up. He does not seem to take advise from those with experience. His managerial recruitment so far has been poor with the sacking of 4 of his recruits Roddy, Adkins Jackson and Skiverton.
My only hope is that he is a good businessman and as such once he realised that the team would not make 8th place he commenced recruiting Jackson's replacement, in which case a new manager should arrive within a week and can commence preparation for next season, if not.........?6 -
Sandgaard's already said this:lancashire lad said:My only hope is that he is a good businessman and as such once he realised that the team would not make 8th place he commenced recruiting Jackson's replacement, in which case a new manager should arrive within a week and can commence preparation for next season, if not.........?
“We have potential managers out of jobs and others who could be convinced to come here. It depends who we talk to. The process could be relatively short or we might go very close up to pre-season.”
So almost certainly not within a week, and it could well be that we are without a manager/head coach for the bulk of the period where we should be recruiting players. Even if we have suddenly resolved the recruitment issues that lead to us starting last season with an absolutely dreadful squad, and are now able to identify the calibre of player required to get us out of this pub division (I've no reason to think we have, but talking hypothetically) - how do we expect to lure any of our targets to Charlton, when we'll be competing with Derby, Ipswich, Pompey, Sunderland and whoever else for the same player?
Let's say, for argument's sake, that us and Derby both have bids accepted for the Morecambe forward, Cole Stockton. Wayne Rooney will be telling Stockton how integral he will be to Derby's plans, how highly he rates him, the style of football he intends to play and how Stockton fits into that. Who's going to do that for us? And how do they expect to convince the player that we're a better option than Derby?13 -
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Duchatelet IIlancashire lad said:Sandgaard is a danger to our club. He knows no more about soccer than many of us, he knows less about English soccer. However he states the type of game he wants the team to play and promotes his son, who also is inexperienced, to a senior position in our recruitment set up. He does not seem to take advise from those with experience. His managerial recruitment so far has been poor with the sacking of 4 of his recruits Roddy, Adkins Jackson and Skiverton.
My only hope is that he is a good businessman and as such once he realised that the team would not make 8th place he commenced recruiting Jackson's replacement, in which case a new manager should arrive within a week and can commence preparation for next season, if not.........?1 -
There's an awful lot of getting a grip that could stand to be done right now6
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It is very sad to see Johnnie leave, but I think it is the right decision and the right timing. He is a Charlton legend and will always be remembered as such, but as a manager he is limited and I don't think he would have got us promoted. He was often out-thought by opposing managers and didn't seem to have the tactical ability to deal with it. He also seemed to have his favourites who, in my opinion, played too many minutes (Gilbey, Matthews and Leko spring to mind). I am sure he will get better and better, and I hope he finds a new challenge quickly. He deserves another chance.0
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100% aliwibble, I just see another wasted season coming up.aliwibble said:Gutted, and not just because I'm sad to see it fall apart for a club legend like this. Given he came in when we were in the relegation places, and we've had major injury problems in central defence or with the strikers for huge chunks of the season, I think mid-table is a reasonable finish. I understand to some extent the grumblings about the style of football played and the apparent tactical rigidity, but I'm not sure how much of that is a matter of necessity given the players we currently have, particularly given the comments about "keeping it simple" after Adkins went.I'm also gutted about the timing. I was already concerned that we hadn't sorted out deals for various out of contract players, when normally that's been sorted out by now. Either the rebuild is going to be an even bigger job than already anticipated, or we're going to be wasting time in the summer on those renegotiations that we should be spending tying down new players. And now all those renewals and new signings are going to be further delayed because we don't have a manager. Given it was only a couple of days ago that Sandgaard was telling Charlton Live that we were going to get our recruitment started early this season, this already wasn't sitting right with me, but his comments about "we might go up to the beginning of pre-season" in our search for a manager seems like he doesn't understand the potential impact of what he's just gone and done. How many players are going to sign for a club when they don't know who their manager's going to be? And having to sort all this out from Colorado is just going to make it even more difficult.Oh well, at least this means I don't have to catch up on the 600 odd posts on the "Jackson has to go" thread
I also wonder where Jason Euell fits in with all this, JJ & Skiverton gone surely JE is as much of "the problem" ? Is he being kept on to smooth the incoming manager into the position, giving him the lowdown on players & situations & then eventually given the boot if the new man brings in his own team & or will JE be presented as the new mans coach whether he wants him or not.2 -
Following a review of TS actions, comments and outcomes, whether back room, training, structure, team or recruitment I concede from his history he is clearly capable of running a business, but his music is awful and when it comes to managing this club and the subject of football generally he clearly knows less about it than my cat.Bailey said:Sandgaard comes across as an egotist and definitely hands on. His decisions have not gone well so far, in fact his one success was in rescuing us from East Street investments. He knows less about English football than the average owner and they usually know bugger all. I think this will end in tears and not only will we have Roland demanding the money he squandered but some shit guitarist claiming the same2 - Sponsored links:
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As a fanbase we rarely seem to agree about a lot of things. What I would say is that there are some very good posts on here. @aliwibble post, coupled with the most recent Standard article for me perfectly crystalises my current view on the matter. I don't think JJ was the man to take us up, but his sacking is extremely harsh and very poorly executed by Sandgaard who 24 hours earlier called him a club legend on the podcast.
The statements made by Sandgaard detailed above on this page by @Phil show a very real understanding of English League 1 football, or indeed football in general. I fear for us, I really do. I absolutely love the club, probably too much, but the events of the last 24 hours are really ,really hard to digest, understand and take.5 -
'we currently have several days a week off for the players'. What bullshit. I do wish he'd say less and actually achieve more.Scoham said:6 -
You'll be luckyLargeAddick said:
'we currently have several days a week off for the players'. What bullshit. I do wish he'd say less and actually achieve more.Scoham said:0 -
Asked what the target would be for the new manager, Sandgaard said: “We're implementing a number of changes.
“Our sports scientists and physios are coming up with a plan to increase the intensity in training. We'll spend more time on the training ground - at the moment we have sometimes several days a week off for the players - all in preparation for seriously getting promoted, so it's not a big jump for us.
Explaining Jackson's dismissal, Sandgaard said: “I obviously did not interfere with team selections for the games but I'm very convinced that more pressing high up on the pitch would give us a higher probability of getting promoted.
“It started off really well, we played Sunderland in Johnnie's first game as caretaker and won at the Stadium of Light with an amazing high-press effort. I was hoping we were going to see more of that throughout the season. But now we're looking forward, we'll be making several changes.”
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Lock him in a room with Addicks to Victory on full blast and repeat until he signs.MrLargo said:
Sandgaard's already said this:lancashire lad said:My only hope is that he is a good businessman and as such once he realised that the team would not make 8th place he commenced recruiting Jackson's replacement, in which case a new manager should arrive within a week and can commence preparation for next season, if not.........?
“We have potential managers out of jobs and others who could be convinced to come here. It depends who we talk to. The process could be relatively short or we might go very close up to pre-season.”
So almost certainly not within a week, and it could well be that we are without a manager/head coach for the bulk of the period where we should be recruiting players. Even if we have suddenly resolved the recruitment issues that lead to us starting last season with an absolutely dreadful squad, and are now able to identify the calibre of player required to get us out of this pub division (I've no reason to think we have, but talking hypothetically) - how do we expect to lure any of our targets to Charlton, when we'll be competing with Derby, Ipswich, Pompey, Sunderland and whoever else for the same player?
Let's say, for argument's sake, that us and Derby both have bids accepted for the Morecambe forward, Cole Stockton. Wayne Rooney will be telling Stockton how integral he will be to Derby's plans, how highly he rates him, the style of football he intends to play and how Stockton fits into that. Who's going to do that for us? And how do they expect to convince the player that we're a better option than Derby?10 -
You're cat is probably a better guitarist too.RoanRedNY said:
Following a review of TS actions, comments and outcomes, whether back room, training, structure, team or recruitment I concede from his history he is clearly capable of running a business, but his music is awful and when it comes to managing this club and the subject of football generally he clearly knows less about it than my cat.Bailey said:Sandgaard comes across as an egotist and definitely hands on. His decisions have not gone well so far, in fact his one success was in rescuing us from East Street investments. He knows less about English football than the average owner and they usually know bugger all. I think this will end in tears and not only will we have Roland demanding the money he squandered but some shit guitarist claiming the same1 -
Better to get him out now and keep his legendary status intact.
Not seen any games this season but based on this forum most people were never sold on his style of football or his ability to adapt.
What matters is how quick they get things done. Need to go into pre season ready.0 -
He might have better buildings but he hasn't got a manager - the bloke is hallucinating his way to promotion1
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I hear you, and I’ve heard it from loads of pros on podcasts. However the human element hasn’t gone away either. I’m not comfortable with the idea that in England, at this level, the manager is no,longer the key person shaping the team. We’re not Real Madrid or PSG.Rothko said:find me a club that isn't doing data driven signings, it's rampant from the top of the Premier League through to the bottom of the National League. The idea that we're going to go back to a system from the past is for the birds, regardless of who owns us19
