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Post-match Thread: Sheffield Wednesday vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 26th February 2022
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Tend to agree with this.FishCostaFortune said:
I really don’t think it’s all down to heart, when teams are exploiting the same weaknesses and scoring the same types of goals against you each match.Henry Irving said:We lost.
Again.
Passively.
Many of these players wouldn't play for Atkins and after a very good start now won't play for Jackson. Some of the same players wouldn't play for Bowyer.
There are exceptions but this team as a whole doesn't appear to have the heart for a relegation battle.
Teams like Wimbledon, Gillingham and Morecombe are maybe inferior on paper but they will fight. Not sure many of ours will.As I mentioned in match thread, as poor as we are, the 3-4-2-1 does not play close to the strengths of that team out on the pitch, so we are already asking for trouble before a ball is even kicked.
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How do we explain the original run when Jacko took over, were they not good enough then?, or were all the other teams shit? I’d say players not giving two fucks may be closer to the point.J BLOCK said:I don’t think it has anything to do with players not playing for Adkins and now not playing for Jackson, they just are no where near good enough.Tactically I don’t even know where to begin.16 -
This, you can’t accidentally win away to Sunderland, and home to Ipswich, Plymouth and then have a close draw with Rotherham.paulfox said:
How do we explain the original run when Jacko took over, were they not good enough then?, or were all the other teams shit? I’d say players not giving two fucks may be closer to the point.J BLOCK said:I don’t think it has anything to do with players not playing for Adkins and now not playing for Jackson, they just are no where near good enough.Tactically I don’t even know where to begin.
They are wankers, they don’t give a shit.14 -
Think most of us agree that the bulk of this squad are not good enough for where the club wants to be. Once you accept that it’s a logical step to start questioning the recruitment. Now much has been written and speculated about that but someone is identifying players that end up being not good enough and that’s before taking into consideration our seeming penchant for signing players that have awful injury problems. Now the buck stops somewhere.5
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We hear the battle cry
tonight it’s do or die
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Remember lads, if we had sacked Adkins earlier we would be in the play offs.......10
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It probably is partly down to the fact that the opposition have worked out what we're trying.paulfox said:
How do we explain the original run when Jacko took over, were they not good enough then?, or were all the other teams shit? I’d say players not giving two fucks may be closer to the point.J BLOCK said:I don’t think it has anything to do with players not playing for Adkins and now not playing for Jackson, they just are no where near good enough.Tactically I don’t even know where to begin.
I also feel its down to the fact that Jackson has been forced to use Burstow a lot more than what he's wanted - Our form started when he was able to utilise both Stockley and Washington as a strike partnership.
Our form has dipped since we've not been able to use them together. and its got worse when we've been forced to resort solely to a youngster who only a few months ago, was playing in the final game of the season for the U18s... The ideal scenario would be for Jackson to change it even temporarily so we're not forced to rely on that system - He's being stubborn, and feel its making him look tactically inept. As I still feel results could improve when we get senior members of the squad back involved.0 -
Gutted I really thought the club would make a much better fist of it overall and at least challenge the playoffs. Are there simply to many players now out of contract who don't care I reckon. Wednesday were not even that good.1
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Maybe they just aren’t good enough rather than won’t play for 3 different managers.Henry Irving said:We lost.
Again.
Passively.
Many of these players wouldn't play for Atkins and after a very good start now won't play for Jackson. Some of the same players wouldn't play for Bowyer.
There are exceptions but this team as a whole doesn't appear to have the heart for a relegation battle.
Teams like Wimbledon, Gillingham and Morecombe are maybe inferior on paper but they will fight. Not sure many of ours will.The good performances being the exception to the rule.0 -
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If Fraser and Stockley are fit enough for the bench - then they should start - what’s the point in waiting until we have gone behind to bring them on ?
better to start them and sub them as necessary.Very odd goings-on behind the scenes.Why not play Kanu - nothing to lose.Leko/Lee/Gilbey/Morgan/DJ are not going to score.1 -
Yes Jackson has been forced into playing Burstow, but no one is forcing him to continually play a system that doesn't suit Burstow up top.16
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Just because you're fit for the bench, doesnt mean that you're fit for 90minsValiantphil said:If Fraser and Stockley are fit enough for the bench - then they should start - what’s the point in waiting until we have gone behind to bring them on ?
better to start them and sub them as necessary.Very odd goings-on behind the scenes.Why not play Kanu - nothing to lose.Leko/Lee/Gilbey/Morgan/DJ are not going to score.
It probably doesnt matter if we play Kanu, Burstow, Campbell or Leaburn - They're all kids with little experience against some big Centre-Backs, I'd be extremely surprised (at this stage of their development) if we didnt see the same as what we're currently seeing with Mason4 -
We’ve done this 5 games in a row now, this spineless mob would still be dodgy at the back and toothless up front in a 442/443/41212 you name it, the system will do nothing.Croydon said:Yes Jackson has been forced into playing Burstow, but no one is forcing him to continually play a system that doesn't suit Burstow up top.1 -
Jackson can say what he likes. Adkins said the same thing after the Hull game last season & Sandgarrd said we were going to "blow through this league".Oggy Red said:Jacko said pre-match:“When we get some of those guys back we will be stronger – I’ve no doubt we will improve,” Jackson said. “It’s difficult at the moment but I want to finish the season strongly and get a feel-good factor – end the season on a positive note".“Then we can go away, get the summer exactly how we want it – recruit well and recruit early – get our group together and come back with one aim, which will be to get promoted next season."
There's evidently going to be a bit of a clear out this summer. Some players may already know or suspect they are not going to be here next season.
Like Powell was 'son of Curbs', Jacko may have learned a lot from his old Charlton manager. He was one of the few survivors of the big culling, when Chris Powell put together a rebuilt squad, "recruiting well and recruiting early".
We seem to be seeing the same pattern as when Chris Powell took over ..... he inherited a side that either couldn't or wouldn't play the way he wanted.
So he sacked off most of his squad and brought in new players that would play his way.
Just my own thoughts, of course.
Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder & so far I've seen nothing over the last 18 months to make me think that we will be any better off next season.5 -
I think Matthews is ok at full back. The whole team just doesn’t seem to be able to figure out this wingback system. He and dj both too high up the pitch and Gunter not covering. Much too easy for our opponents!SELR_addicks said:Jackson picking the same formation and team week-in and week-out must show he's given up on the season too?
Matthews giving away goals every single week and still gets picked, why?1 -
Well 4 at the back would stop every team exploiting the space behind our wingbacks and to the side of our outer centre backs, no?BR7_addick said:
We’ve done this 5 games in a row now, this spineless mob would still be dodgy at the back and toothless up front in a 442/443/41212 you name it, the system will do nothing.Croydon said:Yes Jackson has been forced into playing Burstow, but no one is forcing him to continually play a system that doesn't suit Burstow up top.3 -
It is why I made the suggestion that we didn't play with any strikers a while back. I know it is ridiculous in theory but if you have invisible trousers, why put them on. As long as we start getting them back, we will survive but it is something we have to look at for next season as well as the strength of the squad.ForeverAddickted said:
Just because you're fit for the bench, doesnt mean that you're fit for 90minsValiantphil said:If Fraser and Stockley are fit enough for the bench - then they should start - what’s the point in waiting until we have gone behind to bring them on ?
better to start them and sub them as necessary.Very odd goings-on behind the scenes.Why not play Kanu - nothing to lose.Leko/Lee/Gilbey/Morgan/DJ are not going to score.
It probably doesnt matter if we play Kanu, Burstow, Campbell or Leaburn - They're all kids with little experience against some big Centre-Backs, I'd be extremely surprised (at this stage of their development) if we didnt see the same as what we're currently seeing with Mason
One thing that was noticable today which I think Brownie alluded too, was that they were physically stronger than us all over the pitch. Seeing as we don't outplay teams with our skill, we need to change this too.2 -
Same old shit. I was lucky enough to fall asleep for most of the 2nd half. The only thing I will say is that Lord Lucan has been spotted in a Charlton shirt more than Alex Gilbey in the last 5 games.1
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The only hope I have coming out of that game is that Stockley and Fraser are back. Hopefully Washington isn’t too far away either. Apart from that, ‘kin toothless1
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I respectfully disagree, we shipped goals under Adkins with four at the back, this lot are bellends, they’re unmotivated, unreliable and generally don’t give a shit.balham red said:
Well 4 at the back would stop every team exploiting the space behind our wingbacks and to the side of our outer centre backs, no?BR7_addick said:
We’ve done this 5 games in a row now, this spineless mob would still be dodgy at the back and toothless up front in a 442/443/41212 you name it, the system will do nothing.Croydon said:Yes Jackson has been forced into playing Burstow, but no one is forcing him to continually play a system that doesn't suit Burstow up top.0 -
Pro-active, decisive, commanding, astute, flexible....are all things I'm failing to see in Jacko at the moment.
Maybe it's the crock of shit at his disposal, or maybe it only works with a full squad available and a fair wind.
Beginning to look full Adkins now.0 -
You're probably right, but at least we'd give ourselves half a chance to compete.BR7_addick said:
We’ve done this 5 games in a row now, this spineless mob would still be dodgy at the back and toothless up front in a 442/443/41212 you name it, the system will do nothing.Croydon said:Yes Jackson has been forced into playing Burstow, but no one is forcing him to continually play a system that doesn't suit Burstow up top.0 -
I think you are being generous with the "wouldn't play" comments, they can't play because they are very average players.Henry Irving said:We lost.
Again.
Passively.
Many of these players wouldn't play for Atkins and after a very good start now won't play for Jackson. Some of the same players wouldn't play for Bowyer.
There are exceptions but this team as a whole doesn't appear to have the heart for a relegation battle.
Teams like Wimbledon, Gillingham and Morecombe are maybe inferior on paper but they will fight. Not sure many of ours will.
Shocking display with no skill, no awareness and no fight.1 -
I don’t get this. If players are out of contract wouldn’t they be busting a gut to make sure they get a new one?DagenhamAddick said:Gutted I really thought the club would make a much better fist of it overall and at least challenge the playoffs. Are there simply to many players now out of contract who don't care I reckon. Wednesday were not even that good.There’s a lot of other stuff I don’t get. Is Jacko any good? I genuinely don’t know.
Which of the players are any good? If you asked me when we were on our good run I’d have said almost all of them. Right now, only a couple.
Five defeats in a row tells you that something is wrong, that’s for sure, and it can’t be only that our strikers are missing. Can it?1 -
Don't forget League Two Hartlepool beat us in the cup as well. We fielded a strong team, they rested players.alan dugdale said:17 defeats in League 1 ffs. Most in the division other than the bottom 2.7 -
Last couple of games Pearcey played he was a liability, lucky not to get sent off for dragging a player to the ground in one of them…Showmetheway2gohome said:Why is peace being over looked.our defence lack organisation that he will bring. Is Gunter a better CB I don’t think so.don’t think there is enough fight in the team.
can’t blame ref for defeat but how can he book DJ for a little push and there player nearly pull Matthews head off and not get booked.Then give handball and caution purrington then give nothing for them in penalty box for the same handball. Totally inconsistent3 -
Jackson Friday 25/2 "Its time for the lads to dig in etc etc waffle, waffle, blah, blah"ForeverAddickted said:
Jackson Saturday 26/2 "It was too comfortable for Sheff Wednesday, blah, blah, waffle, waffle.1 -
We've lost 17 games this season, only the bottom 2 have lost more. In fact no-one outside the bottom 4 (apart from us) have lost 17 or more.
Only thing keeping us out the relegation places is the fact we went on a good run once Adkins was sacked. A new manager bounce certainly helped us. Otherwise we really would be in the shit.6 -
The idea that Jackson has been allowed to throw these games away because we've got a few injuries is something that never happened to Adkins when we had no team in the initial month.Croydon said:Yes Jackson has been forced into playing Burstow, but no one is forcing him to continually play a system that doesn't suit Burstow up top.
Different standards apply when it's Jackson it seems.7
