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Mason Burstow - on loan to Bolton from Hull (p53)
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where on social media?ElliotCAFC said:£1.6m is the rumoured fee on social media. Surely not?0 -
Naaaa, a taxi driver said Brentford offered £3m last week.ElliotCAFC said:£1.6m is the rumoured fee on social media. Surely not?0 -
So true, the amount of Liverpool fans i know who think Gomez came through their academy is ridiculous, same with hammers fans and Defoe.EugenesAxe said:Can see the headlines now “Maidstone prodigy discovered by Chelsea “5 -
CAFCMedia, the big account on Instagram who seems to be friendly with people inside the club.Henry Irving said:
where on social media?ElliotCAFC said:£1.6m is the rumoured fee on social media. Surely not?
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who knows eh, lower up front fee but bigger sell on clause???ElliotCAFC said:£1.6m is the rumoured fee on social media. Surely not?
pretty sure we'll never know the full in's and out's0 -
Hope it’s more than £1.6 million but I think those thinking it’s way more are deluding themselves.7
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Bet expectations on Sandgaard and how we conduct ourselves in the summer with transfers will be even higher now - Not so much on here, but a good few Social Media fans seem to think he's skint.
On the other hand we now have a couple of million to play with in the market so will want to see results.
Just need to remember that other clubs will know too that we have the Burstow money to play with - They wont know the amount, but will see he's gone to Chelsea and will probably do 2+2 = 5, so we equally need to ensure that no one holds us to ransom0 -
ForeverAddickted said:Bet expectations on Sandgaard and how we conduct ourselves in the summer with transfers will be even higher now - Not so much on here, but a good few Social Media fans seem to think he's skint.
On the other hand we now have a couple of million to play with in the market so will want to see results.
Just need to remember that other clubs will know too that we have the Burstow money to play with - They wont know the amount, but will see he's gone to Chelsea and will probably do 2+2 = 5, so we equally need to ensure that no one holds us to ransom
I don't think we'll be spending big, or much in general in the summer tbh. But yeah, expectations Vs reality on social media = fucktardness.
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I know the Sandgaard family are big Chelsea fans, I wonder how much that influenced TS in dealing with them and building a working relationship.1
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I agree also, but realistically an owner is always going to take a small cut of a decent sale to mitigate their own losses. If as you suggest it was £3m, then the owner takes back 1m and you got two £1m players that would also make sense and we'd also have already departed this pony league.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Agree with this. If we sold a youngster for 3m every season and invested that back into 3 decent senior players for 1m each then we probably wouldn't still be stuck in league one.roseandcrown said:A little disappointed because was looking forward to seeing him push on a develop for us the rest of the season but of we can get 2-4 mill for him, and this helps build a promotion team then so be it.
I want our football club to be successful and sustainable and selling promising youngsters is unfortunately how it is done.
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It's difficult for a mid table league one club to keep hold of players, especially when 1 of the biggest clubs in Europe come calling (irrespective of whether he plays for them or not).
I think the loan back for the rest of the season makes it a good deal for us.
There's always the possibility they will loan him back to us next season too (although I think it's unlikely)0 -
But this is exactly what we did to Maidstone.Wheresmeticket? said:Yes it makes me sick that clubs like that can simply pick off any emerging talent and it has been an issue for decades now and nothing is done about it.
For him it could be the stepping stone to a lower Prem club career, and why wouldn't he want that. There is an outside chance that it could be more than that. Stay with us and he might never see that chance come again so with good striker instincts he took the opportunity when it came.
With our strike force as it is we need him back. We are not safe from relegation.
Yes we all know that bigger, richer clubs higher up the football pyramid can buy players from smaller clubs. It's called the transfer market.
What would you like/expect to be done?
Burstow isn't a 16 year old poached before he signed a pro deal, he's an 18 year old on a pro contract and we accepted a bid.5 -
If TS has accepted that after saying we don't need to sell, won't sell cheaply etc then that's pathetic.ElliotCAFC said:£1.6m is the rumoured fee on social media. Surely not?3 -
Got to love a social media conspiracy take off and people not engage their brains because they want to be outraged.15
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The we gave chucks to Birmingham and bought him back statements are staring to get annoying now. Chucks was out of contract and decided to leave!!!! Charlton (charltin if you work for sky) did not have a say in it once chucks decided he was offmasicat said:We have him back for the rest of this season. ? Wow, we do drive a hard bargain. First we give Chucks to Birmingham and then buy him back, now this. You just don’t mess with Charlton.4 -
If its only £1.6m we would've been better off keeping him for 18months, letting him go on a free and getting the compensationShootersHillGuru said:Hope it’s more than £1.6 million but I think those thinking it’s way more are deluding themselves.0 -
Which we wouldn't as he's not a academy productPelling1993 said:
If its only £1.6m we would've been better off keeping him for 18months, letting him go on a free and getting the compensationShootersHillGuru said:Hope it’s more than £1.6 million but I think those thinking it’s way more are deluding themselves.0 -
Where a professional player, under the age of 24, has been offered a new contract by his club (subject to certain requirements that the offer must meet set out in Rule 64.3 of the Football League Rules) and he rejects that offer in order to take up the opportunity to sign for another club, compensation will be payable. This is not to be confused with training compensation under the EPPP regime (that applies to Academy players), an entirely different proposition.Rothko said:
Which we wouldn't as he's not a academy productPelling1993 said:
If its only £1.6m we would've been better off keeping him for 18months, letting him go on a free and getting the compensationShootersHillGuru said:Hope it’s more than £1.6 million but I think those thinking it’s way more are deluding themselves.
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£1.6m is about right in my opinion. The lad has played a handful of games in League One, and most of his best games in the Papa Johns Trophy.
Not sure how we would justify some of the crazy fees that people are suggesting we should get?!
I’ve seen every game he has played in for Charlton’s first team. I haven’t seen a top player in him (yet).Most of the fanbase hadn’t even heard of him a few months ago, and he’s only playing because of a shortage of strikers.Think some people need to realise that it’s not as straight forward as “18 year old kid, scored a couple of goals = £5m fee”.4 -
So a couple of hundred grand for someone who in normal times would be 4th choice.Pelling1993 said:
Where a professional player, under the age of 24, has been offered a new contract by his club (subject to certain requirements that the offer must meet set out in Rule 64.3 of the Football League Rules) and he rejects that offer in order to take up the opportunity to sign for another club, compensation will be payable. This is not to be confused with training compensation under the EPPP regime (that applies to Academy players), an entirely different proposition.Rothko said:
Which we wouldn't as he's not a academy productPelling1993 said:
If its only £1.6m we would've been better off keeping him for 18months, letting him go on a free and getting the compensationShootersHillGuru said:Hope it’s more than £1.6 million but I think those thinking it’s way more are deluding themselves.
No one knows the fee, especially not someone on Social media0 - Sponsored links:
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he was 16 when he joined so would have gone into the development squads so I believe we would be eligible for something. any tribunal would obviously see that he wasn't here that long but if maidstone have a sell on that would be taken into consideration as well i think.Rothko said:
Which we wouldn't as he's not a academy productPelling1993 said:
If its only £1.6m we would've been better off keeping him for 18months, letting him go on a free and getting the compensationShootersHillGuru said:Hope it’s more than £1.6 million but I think those thinking it’s way more are deluding themselves.2 -
Not as much as if he had moved to an English club but certainly more than Staines got......addick1956 said:
So how much dis Charlton get for Aribo then. Remember he was out of contract and moved to a foreign country.Cafc43v3r said:
How many of these players don't go on and have a meaningful career? There are always exceptions but who is/was good enough and didn't?Andyessgee90 said:
Not necessarily blaming. But anyone who thinks it’s just the way football is that a club can pay a teenager with about 10 league starts £20,000 a week with realistically the smallest chance he will ever play for their first team, without seeing that as a problem, is living in cuckoo land.Cafc43v3r said:
Must be conspiracy or they are actually talking about things that are confirmed or are players 90% of people of heard of?Weegie Addick said:Not even a mention on Sky even though it’s Chelsea.
I really don't get why there has to be a badie in everything. Sky, the agent, the player, the buying club, the owner, the tea lady.
This is not a case of anyone doing anything wrong. The player will have received an offer he would have been stupid to say no to, the owner will have received an offer he is happy to accept.
We have probably covered the cost of the academy for the next 2 or 3 years. It hasn't cost us promotion, it almost certainly (after tonight's result) cost us relegation.
But someone needs to be blamed 🤷♂️Of course teenagers are going to get their heads turned by that amount of money and in the case of the top clubs, how many of them actually establish themselves as first team players? So effectively a football player who doesn’t really end up playing competitive football can just be paid £20k a week. System is a shambles and for that, blame can be dished out.
Players like Blackman and Baker don't get a gun pointed at their heads and made to sign new deals. Players like Moses, KDB, Salah even Dasilva, Abraham, Loftus-Cheek have a career that reflects their ability. Parker did, despite the narrative he didn't. It was a broken leg and change of manager that stunted him, not the move its self.
Chelsea have a model, the same as Brighton, Brentford and Peterborough have. That many want us to emulate. The numbers are just much bigger.
In real terms it's no different to the model we do operate. Players from Enfield, Maidstone, Staines hopefully sold for a profit.
I am sure that there are Enfield fans that accused Davison of coming to us for the money and moaned when we sent him out on loan 3 times.0 -
I know I have no idea, that why I said ifRothko said:
So a couple of hundred grand for someone who in normal times would be 4th choice.Pelling1993 said:
Where a professional player, under the age of 24, has been offered a new contract by his club (subject to certain requirements that the offer must meet set out in Rule 64.3 of the Football League Rules) and he rejects that offer in order to take up the opportunity to sign for another club, compensation will be payable. This is not to be confused with training compensation under the EPPP regime (that applies to Academy players), an entirely different proposition.Rothko said:
Which we wouldn't as he's not a academy productPelling1993 said:
If its only £1.6m we would've been better off keeping him for 18months, letting him go on a free and getting the compensationShootersHillGuru said:Hope it’s more than £1.6 million but I think those thinking it’s way more are deluding themselves.
No one knows the fee, especially not someone on Social media0 -
After turning down 3m from Brentford a week ago? That's great business thatElliotCAFC said:£1.6m is the rumoured fee on social media. Surely not?
*for those who can't tell, this is me joking that we would accept a offer, half of what we'd supposedly already turned down.... now breathe
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Have I missed something?
Surely Gallen is heavily involved in negotiating the fee / terms and based on his track record we will have secured the market rate I am sure.
A first for us in loaning back (something mooted before on other outgoings) & if happens provides cover for the inevitable injuries the squad will suffer from.
Its an improvement in our usual transfer dealings I suspect.1 -
They're paying for the potential though, not what he is now.cafctom said:£1.6m is about right in my opinion. The lad has played a handful of games in League One, and most of his best games in the Papa Johns Trophy.
Not sure how we would justify some of the crazy fees that people are suggesting we should get?!
1.6m is peanuts and certainly not what anyone would call "substantial". It's fuck all really and i can't believe we wouldn't have got more if we'd sold him in the summer.
If the figure is true then unless there's some realistic add ons, a sell on %, and the promise of first dibs on a couple of loans in the summer i don't get why we sold him after Sandgaard said we didn't need to sell.4 -
In February 2020 Mason Burstow was on trial for 6 weeks at Chelsea. Nothing comes of it but he is on their radar as he goes back to play for Maidstone.
If you join a football club at 16 you are still a scholar, which means you are in an academy. Not as long as Deji who joined just shy of his 13th birthday at Cafc.
I believe Mount was at Chelsea from 6 years old.
Ralfi Hand had a six week trial at Cafc while he was 16. At the same time he played for *Dulwich Hamlet in the FA youth Cup. I saw every qualifying round including the win at Welling United when Ralfi Hand scored the winning penalty and also when Dulwich lost to Cambridge in the 2nd round proper when RH had been signed by Cafc and he wasn't allowed to play.
He is cup tied so couldn't be up for selection for Cafc FA youth team which is so successful.
RH leaves his Orpington school to go to a school chosen by Cafc which is in Bromley.
Kinetic use the Harris academy schools.
Aribo and Pope were never scholars at Charlton as they were already 18 and 19.
Lookman was 16 going on 17 so was still a scholar.
* All the Dulwich Hamlet youth cup players were from the kinetic academy foundation.
The catch 22 was as players are noticed by the scouts the team gets weaker each round as players sigh pro contracts or scholar contracts with a one year pro deal at the end in many/some cases.
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Christ on a bike. Stop believing everything you read on the internet. I highly doubt the fee is 1.6m & don't believe Brentford offered 3M a week ago!!!shine166 said:
After turning down 3m from Brentford a week ago? That's great business thatElliotCAFC said:£1.6m is the rumoured fee on social media. Surely not?
Only the club know the true figure & I doubt we'll ever know. Sandgaard is not Roland. He's got what he believes is a good deal for this football club.
I really don't understand some of the criticism he gets on here19 -
All true but Chelsea don’t need him to play. Football is such that PL clubs have so much (too much) money they can spend on players they don’t need. I don’t think it’s healthy for football in any way.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
But this is exactly what we did to Maidstone.Wheresmeticket? said:Yes it makes me sick that clubs like that can simply pick off any emerging talent and it has been an issue for decades now and nothing is done about it.
For him it could be the stepping stone to a lower Prem club career, and why wouldn't he want that. There is an outside chance that it could be more than that. Stay with us and he might never see that chance come again so with good striker instincts he took the opportunity when it came.
With our strike force as it is we need him back. We are not safe from relegation.
Yes we all know that bigger, richer clubs higher up the football pyramid can buy players from smaller clubs. It's called the transfer market.
What would you like/expect to be done?
Burstow isn't a 16 year old poached before he signed a pro deal, he's an 18 year old on a pro contract and we accepted a bid.6 -
£1.6m could be a great deal if we use it to get promoted.1
