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Wayne Rooney's Derby County - not any more (p41)
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Because with every week that passes he gets richer still12
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hear, hearhoof_it_up_to_benty said:I would like to see Derby given extra points to help them survive this season - we need to support the bigger clubs and Wayne Rooney.0 -
True but whatever the reasons are, the EFL is too weak to enforce its already weak powers.Cafc43v3r said:
What do the rules say should happen?Henry Irving said:I can understand why but it's still ridiculous.
The EFL want agreement in advice so it doesn't get appealed and dragged out for another season.
But that just shows how weak they are.
The EFL are very weak, that isn't the fault of the EFL though. We often hear the slogan "by fans, for fans" the EFL should use "by owners, for owners" because that's what it is.
Unless the case is clear cut ie going into administration which has a prescribed penalty, they are ineffective and very slow in disciplining clubs that break or bend the rules.
And largely that is because the clubs collectively won't give the EFL the powers needed to do that because the clubs know it could be them next week or next season.4 -
Because the EFL are so slow, the punishments always end up happening a season late
Derby should have got this last season - this isn't a new scenario
Wednesday should have got theirs a season earlier2 -
"Walking is brilliant"thickandthin63 said:Dont know why a man as rich as Rooney is putting up with this,he is on hiding to nothing,he will walk before long.6 -
Then before you know it, he'll be able to speak and spellthickandthin63 said:Dont know why a man as rich as Rooney is putting up with this,he is on hiding to nothing,he will walk before long.20 -
It sounds almost like the EFL are offering plea bargains for breaking the rules. They've come to an 'agreement' with Derby over the punishment they'll face. Why do they have to agree, the rules are clear, if you break them you're punished. There shouldn't be any negotiations.3
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Such agreements are not uncommon in other areas and are a practical way of dealing with breaches of rules. It saves money (for both parties) and solves the problems that can occur in appeals/tribunals.Chunes said:It sounds almost like the EFL are offering plea bargains for breaking the rules. They've come to an 'agreement' with Derby over the punishment they'll face. Why do they have to agree, the rules are clear, if you break them you're punished. There shouldn't be any negotiations.
By way of example, here's an extract from an FCA Final Notice recently published concerning LLoyds Bank General Insurance: LBGI agreed to resolve this matter and qualified for a 30% (stage 1) discount under the Authority’s executive settlement procedures. Were it not for this discount, the Authority would have imposed a financial penalty of £129,554,914 on LBGI.
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As Henry has just said Wigan did something that has a fixed penalty, no ifs, no buts.addick1956 said:
They should have been relegated for failing to provide those accounts but now just dock 12 points. No chat about it. They didn't chat to Wigan about it. Sheffield Wednesday are another who thought they would get away with it. Too be honest neither club is fit to be on EFL. What is the point of competition that is corrupted by a couple ofCafc43v3r said:
They should have been relegated last season but they could not prove they had cheated until they resubmit the accounts. Its a farce because the EFL can't actually investigate it, they have to wait for Derby to provide the evidence!!killerandflash said:
The obvious solution is to immediately relegate Derby to L1, where they will swap places with an L1 side who will play the rest of the season in the ChampionshipCafc43v3r said:If they fine the club it doesn't make much difference. Because they can't/won't pay it.
Can they fine the owner/directors personally?
If they dock them 20 points people will say its not enough. If they dock them enough to automatically relegate them now they will be left with 40 meaningless games on their fixture list.
There is no appite from the EFL or the public to expel them.
There needs to be some sort of solution but I have no idea what it is.
I'd suggest as the criteria, to pick the other side in a major game involving both sides, say the 1946 FA Cup final
cheats ?
Or a competition that has no clear guidelines or powers.
The EFL don't have the mechanics to decide what Derby have actually done until they resubmit the accounts. The penalty for not completing the accounts in time is a transfer embargo. As decided by the owners.0 - Sponsored links:
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Weren't they under an embargo anyway, but were then allowed to sign players simply because they didn't have enough senior players to field a team?Cafc43v3r said:
As Henry has just said Wigan did something that has a fixed penalty, no ifs, no buts.addick1956 said:
They should have been relegated for failing to provide those accounts but now just dock 12 points. No chat about it. They didn't chat to Wigan about it. Sheffield Wednesday are another who thought they would get away with it. Too be honest neither club is fit to be on EFL. What is the point of competition that is corrupted by a couple ofCafc43v3r said:
They should have been relegated last season but they could not prove they had cheated until they resubmit the accounts. Its a farce because the EFL can't actually investigate it, they have to wait for Derby to provide the evidence!!killerandflash said:
The obvious solution is to immediately relegate Derby to L1, where they will swap places with an L1 side who will play the rest of the season in the ChampionshipCafc43v3r said:If they fine the club it doesn't make much difference. Because they can't/won't pay it.
Can they fine the owner/directors personally?
If they dock them 20 points people will say its not enough. If they dock them enough to automatically relegate them now they will be left with 40 meaningless games on their fixture list.
There is no appite from the EFL or the public to expel them.
There needs to be some sort of solution but I have no idea what it is.
I'd suggest as the criteria, to pick the other side in a major game involving both sides, say the 1946 FA Cup final
cheats ?
Or a competition that has no clear guidelines or powers.
The EFL don't have the mechanics to decide what Derby have actually done until they resubmit the accounts. The penalty for not completing the accounts in time is a transfer embargo. As decided by the owners.0 -
Yup, weren't we allowed to as well?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Weren't they under an embargo anyway, but were then allowed to sign players simply because they didn't have enough senior players to field a team?Cafc43v3r said:
As Henry has just said Wigan did something that has a fixed penalty, no ifs, no buts.addick1956 said:
They should have been relegated for failing to provide those accounts but now just dock 12 points. No chat about it. They didn't chat to Wigan about it. Sheffield Wednesday are another who thought they would get away with it. Too be honest neither club is fit to be on EFL. What is the point of competition that is corrupted by a couple ofCafc43v3r said:
They should have been relegated last season but they could not prove they had cheated until they resubmit the accounts. Its a farce because the EFL can't actually investigate it, they have to wait for Derby to provide the evidence!!killerandflash said:
The obvious solution is to immediately relegate Derby to L1, where they will swap places with an L1 side who will play the rest of the season in the ChampionshipCafc43v3r said:If they fine the club it doesn't make much difference. Because they can't/won't pay it.
Can they fine the owner/directors personally?
If they dock them 20 points people will say its not enough. If they dock them enough to automatically relegate them now they will be left with 40 meaningless games on their fixture list.
There is no appite from the EFL or the public to expel them.
There needs to be some sort of solution but I have no idea what it is.
I'd suggest as the criteria, to pick the other side in a major game involving both sides, say the 1946 FA Cup final
cheats ?
Or a competition that has no clear guidelines or powers.
The EFL don't have the mechanics to decide what Derby have actually done until they resubmit the accounts. The penalty for not completing the accounts in time is a transfer embargo. As decided by the owners.0 -
Translates to, we will wait to they are safe and deduct the points.MattF said:2 -
I remember when we used to tut at leagues in other countries for pulling shit like this. The EFL are utterly shameless.EricBanterna said:
Translates to, we will wait to they are safe and deduct the points.MattF said:5 -
I don't think anyone, including the EFL, are claiming it is.addick1956 said:
Some of that I know but it is a recipe for a cheats charter and no way to run anything.Cafc43v3r said:
As Henry has just said Wigan did something that has a fixed penalty, no ifs, no buts.addick1956 said:
They should have been relegated for failing to provide those accounts but now just dock 12 points. No chat about it. They didn't chat to Wigan about it. Sheffield Wednesday are another who thought they would get away with it. Too be honest neither club is fit to be on EFL. What is the point of competition that is corrupted by a couple ofCafc43v3r said:
They should have been relegated last season but they could not prove they had cheated until they resubmit the accounts. Its a farce because the EFL can't actually investigate it, they have to wait for Derby to provide the evidence!!killerandflash said:
The obvious solution is to immediately relegate Derby to L1, where they will swap places with an L1 side who will play the rest of the season in the ChampionshipCafc43v3r said:If they fine the club it doesn't make much difference. Because they can't/won't pay it.
Can they fine the owner/directors personally?
If they dock them 20 points people will say its not enough. If they dock them enough to automatically relegate them now they will be left with 40 meaningless games on their fixture list.
There is no appite from the EFL or the public to expel them.
There needs to be some sort of solution but I have no idea what it is.
I'd suggest as the criteria, to pick the other side in a major game involving both sides, say the 1946 FA Cup final
cheats ?
Or a competition that has no clear guidelines or powers.
The EFL don't have the mechanics to decide what Derby have actually done until they resubmit the accounts. The penalty for not completing the accounts in time is a transfer embargo. As decided by the owners.0 -
To be fair, considering his most recent transgressions, he’s probably only stayed on so he’s got somewhere to sleep at night.thickandthin63 said:Dont know why a man as rich as Rooney is putting up with this,he is on hiding to nothing,he will walk before long.1 -
Probably shagging the player nansWoodsideValley said:
To be fair, considering his most recent transgressions, he’s probably only stayed on so he’s got somewhere to sleep at night.thickandthin63 said:Dont know why a man as rich as Rooney is putting up with this,he is on hiding to nothing,he will walk before long.0 -
If there’s any truth to the 9 point deduction for rule breaches, and you’ve got a crap team with no way to improve it, why not call in the administrators and turn it into a 21 point deduction this season.0
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I've posted before I had a lot sympathy with the owner, he is a local fan and has pumped substantial amounts of money into the club with the aim of getting promotion. They have come very close on a number of occasions and it shows the fine margins if football.
I live locally and know a few fans and a lot of my sympathy for the owner has disappeared in the last few weeks. It is about time he took some ownership was taken of this mess, as opposed to the constant bashing of the EFL as if it is all somehow the EFL's fault. The owner took financial risks to try and get promotion, he is not the first and he will not be the last to do so. Had promotion been achieved many would treat him as a genius and they'd probably be fine financially. Football is a funny old game.
However take some responsibility and accept that mistakes have been made. How anyone can have the brass neck to issue that statement and lay the blame at the EFl when you have a manager currently earning 90k a week is embarrassing. Rooney's 90k salary is not the only tale of poor financial decisions been made at the club and there is a long list of them, hence why they are in the position they are in.
A few fans I know seem to think this has been coming for a while and that a takeover is close, no idea if that is true or not but as much as I don't like how the club have handled things the last few weeks that is nothing to do with the fans and I hope they come out the other side. You would expect with the 12 points deduction for this and the rumoured 9 point deduction for the other issue they are all but relegated but perhaps knowing what division they will be in next year in a perverse way may make the process for new owners a little easier.
Be interesting to see if Rooney stays or not.5 -
All the fault of the EFL and Coronavirus apparently - nothing to do with them.Addickted said:
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Looks like they’ll be in administration by the end of the weekend0
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EFL to award them 12 extra points for being so honest.Addickted said:30 -
I've no idea what salary Rooney is one now, but if it's still at 90k and he has any morals he should either resign or voluntarily slash it2
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Bet Derby will appeal the points deduction for Administration as it was the EFL's fault for letting them sign those players in the summer0
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Quite.SporadicAddick said:
All the fault of the EFL and Coronavirus apparently - nothing to do with them.Addickted said:
They blame Covid as they couldn't hold face to face meetings with prospective purchasers. What crap. Even in lockdown business people were allowed to travel & no one was held prisoner in their homes.
And blaming the EFL for investigating transgressions that were of Derby's own making.6 -
That last one is a cracker - we’ve probably broken the rules, but now we’re skint, so can you stop investigating and help us out.golfaddick said:
Quite.SporadicAddick said:
All the fault of the EFL and Coronavirus apparently - nothing to do with them.Addickted said:
They blame Covid as they couldn't hold face to face meetings with prospective purchasers. What crap. Even in lockdown business people were allowed to travel & no one was held prisoner in their homes.
And blaming the EFL for investigating transgressions that were of Derby's own making.0 -
Have they done this as they know that they have transgressed so much that they were likely to incur MORE than a 12 point deduction from the EFL (very unlikely imo) and si they thought that they would "get in there first".
Also, what debts do they have. I thought the pount of administration was that the admusteatirs were brought in to sell assets to pay off debts.....usually a step or 2 before bankruptcy. What "assets" do Derby have that they can sell ?? Especially as the transfer window doesnt open for another 3+ months2 -
Currently listening to BBC radio Derby and I think the general consensus is nobody quite knows how much debt the club is carrying as there has been radio silence from the owners and there are around 5 different holding companies all of who own different parts of the club. You would imagine there must be a lot of skeletons in the closet given the last two bidders were absolute chancers in the mould of ESL, in fact Southall and a mate were closely linked which should have set alarm bells ringing long ago. If it was an attractive proposition you'd imagine more legitimate bidders would have made themselves known given the owner has made no qualms about how desperate he is to get rid.golfaddick said:Have they done this as they know that they have transgressed so much that they were likely to incur MORE than a 12 point deduction from the EFL (very unlikely imo) and si they thought that they would "get in there first".
Also, what debts do they have. I thought the pount of administration was that the admusteatirs were brought in to sell assets to pay off debts.....usually a step or 2 before bankruptcy. What "assets" do Derby have that they can sell ?? Especially as the transfer window doesnt open for another 3+ months
Kieran Maguire was on the show and he seemed pretty confident the club would be sold, it has a modern stadium, pretty big fan-base and new owners would be confident of getting out of League One if that's where they end up. Also seemed to think the odds were pretty high that they'd be sold before the January transfer window so a fire sale of playing assets is probably unlikely.
Sadly there will be a price to pay though even if the club is saved and that will be the many businesses who end up out of pocket as a result, and ultimately a lot of staff at the club who are probably wondering if there'll have a job in the next few weeks.1
