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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Wigan — 21/8/2021
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I should have opened the football facts thread before posting that.Red_in_SE8 said:The last premiership team to name a starting team numbered 1 to 11 before Burnley today?
Charlton in 1998.0 -
The other week I said we needed 8 players of a certain quality to just be competitive near the higher end of the league.
We signed Kirk of that quality.
We now need 7 more.
It ain’t happening, and neither is being competitive this season.
We are so crap it’s hard to even explain.
Something has gone very wrong somewhere and whoever is responsible for that has to go. That’s where I am at right now.48 -
Thanks very much for your deep analysis of my postings. As for my volume of Tosh, could you let me have some specific examples. My point which may have gone over your head, is I believe the blame lies in the Directors box, and slagging the players and to an extent Adkins is unfair.Bailey said:
What a cock, three defeats in seven days and you are comparing Sandgard to the Belgian lunatic. You amaze me Raplh with the amount of sheer tosh you manage to put on here.RaplhMilne said:Could be time for this to hang above the Directors box again.
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Really, really bad. We only came close to scoring once when Kirk was unlucky not to get good contact after Stockley played it across goal.
There were positives in that I thought Kirk looked exciting and McG had a great game but really 2-0 flattered us and it could've been 4 or 5.
Gunter had an awful game yet again. Dobson needs to massively up it. Albie leaves Stockley isolated and DJ wasn't as effective as he was at times against MK.
I would really like to understand exactly what is going on behind the scenes and why we're not bringing in decent players. If the squad doesn't look drastically different in 10 days time then we've simply no hope this season - honestly you can write it off because the damage will be done by the time January rolls around.4 -
It’s scary how crap some of the players we have are.
We don’t have a single midfielder fit who is good enough.
We don’t have a single left back fit who is good enough.
Done.13 -
This team is so poor, 4 games in and not looking like creating any sort of chances no game plan compared to last season, hoof to Stockley and hope he can work miracles. Midfield is so weak, I’ve said it before Morgan is not good enough, he’s been around for long enough to have proved himself by now and just cannot step up to this level. It’s just plain sad and upsetting really after such a positive end to last season. Sandgaard needs to make some big decisions and fast.2
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Looks like we're giving everyone concerned, who may or may not be at fault, ANOTHER season to sort it out then
Deep joy lol0 -
Just as on Tuesday, the " you're not fit to wear the shirt "chant was a bit unfair, as the players did try hard.
Unfortunately, they weren't good enough. A combination of recruitment, AND coaching and tactics, as lumping it up to Stockley as a tactic isn't working. Yes the summer recruitment hasn't been good enough, but I'm also not convinced that Adkins' tactics are getting the best out the players we have8 -
Btw Wigan looked decent. Think Wyke is better than a lot give him credit for (mainly Sunderland fans) and Will Keane looked a good player. As did James McClean - I know a lot of people don't like him but he bossed it when he came on.
Word for Ben Amos taking the banter from the Covered End well too - can't believe we didn't test him at all.2 -
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Well we tried to by going 442. But all that meant was that Morgan and Watson in the midfield got overrun. The new boy could not hold the ball ( big surprise for a league 2 reject)CAFCTrev said:
Did we?MuttleyCAFC said:We went for the three points at the death
Our best spell came before that when Kirk and Morgan swapped places, we created 3 decent chances with Albie out on the left and Kirk behind him.0 -
What a beautyletthegoodtimesroll said:
Mission Impossible train crash filming…Pretty apt day to do it 0 -
“Trying hard” isn’t good enough. I would try hard. There needs to be some, at least moderate, ability too.killerandflash said:Just as on Tuesday, the " you're not fit to wear the shirt "chant was a bit unfair, as the players did try hard.
Unfortunately, they weren't good enough. A combination of recruitment, AND coaching and tactics, as lumping it up to Stockley as a tactic isn't working. Yes the summer recruitment hasn't been good enough, but I'm also not convinced that Adkins' tactics are getting the best out the players we have5 -
We have so far spent £2m on transfers. Bowyer could only dream of that sort of investment!BigDiddy said:4 -
I wasn't hopeful of testing him. As for criticism of Golfie or any of us who were calling this before the season started, we all want Charlton to win. We say what we do because that is how we see it and criticism and ridicule is only valid if we are proven wrong. I said there were no goals in the team and amazingly I was right. But it isn't insightful football knowledge on my part, you can wiki our team and see it for yourself. Add up the games and average out the goals.Leeds_Addick said:Btw Wigan looked decent. Think Wyke is better than a lot give him credit for (mainly Sunderland fans) and Will Keane looked a good player. As did James McClean - I know a lot of people don't like him but he bossed it when he came on.
Word for Ben Amos taking the banter from the Covered End well too - can't believe we didn't test him at all.4 -
I’d be very interested to see a Venn diagram of people who simultaneously thought Bowyer wasn’t good enough and that we could do much better than JFC, Millar, Maatsen, etc.We’re crap. We’re not going to get much better even with 5 new additions. Top 2 seems to be impossible already, we’re realistically fighting for 6th.I don’t even want to go and support this team, there’s not a single player that I’m passionate about. If season ticket refunds where being handed out now, I’d be very tempted.1
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WFH, too many takeaways and a lack of exercise probably to blame for thatRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Crowd was bloody immense for most the game.3 -
The problem with Bowyer is that with all the shit he went through and frustrations with the squad, there was turmoil in the dressing room. He needed the move as it was a toxic situation. If people want to pretend it wasn't, they can delude themselves all they like. Like the squad we have was good enough crap. Quite simply, the squad we ended the season with would have had a decent shout at promotion. That wasn't going to happen with Bowyer who was at war with a lot of his players. We lost Millar and Aneke and Gilbey and JFC are out injured, possibly for a long time. We haven't replaced them. We brought Stockley in, but we had him when we ended the season so the squad wasn't improved.5
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If we had snapped up some of the decent free agents 2 months ago, we wouldn't be needing to pay so many big transfer fees7
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Adkins must have thought better than Shinnie was coming in because it is looking increasingly stupid letting him go.8
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On the plus side, the Blackheath tea hut is back. Apparently.2
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On Charlton TV post match, the concensus was that we make it too easy for sides. No snap into players to intimidate.
Plenty of possession but no thought of what to do with it. We play with wingers who don't run in, just stay outside the box, leaving Stockley without another Red shirt within 10 yards, which cannot work according to Curbs (and every other person watching), but according to Adkins it somehow does.
It was said Morgan CANNOT play at number 10, so the Stockley up front will never work unless either we sign a new 10, because the isn't one in the side, or Adkins plays a different formation.
He was asked whether it was time to play a different system but didn't offer any conclusion as to what is the plan B, because plan A is worse than dreadful.
We haven't even got to the injury phase of the season yet. God help us when we have our second string out on the pitch, if this is our top 11.
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I actually thought barring one or two bad touches Watson didn’t have a bad game at all.The problem is our defensive unit do approximately 89:59 of the game defending rather than having any mental and physical rest while we keep possession and attack. Evident when they brought on subs and ran us ragged. Hard enough for a 21 year old let alone pensioner Watson.Morgan is not the answer. I feel a bit sorry for him but at the level we are aspiring for he is tactically and positionally inept.Kirk actually had a go for a goal and I felt the first half we didn’t get him in the game as much as we should have.All this drooling over Ipswich but Wigan have gone big and should be challenging automatics with the team they’ve put together.3
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Selling clubs only have to look at our position and see how desperate we are for signings so we have no leverage there.
Who is going to loan top quality to us in a team getting 1 point in 12 and booed off the pitch.
Very unlikely we will get an abundance of quality in at this late stage.
Flawed strategy/ terrible gamble if that's what's been the plan.17 -
Wyke has been a good player at this level for years.Leeds_Addick said:Btw Wigan looked decent. Think Wyke is better than a lot give him credit for (mainly Sunderland fans) and Will Keane looked a good player. As did James McClean - I know a lot of people don't like him but he bossed it when he came on.
Word for Ben Amos taking the banter from the Covered End well too - can't believe we didn't test him at all.0 -
I agree with you and Golfie and others, the team as it stands has proved to not be good enough.MuttleyCAFC said:
I wasn't hopeful of testing him. As for criticism of Golfie or any of us who were calling this before the season started, we all want Charlton to win. We say what we do because that is how we see it and criticism and ridicule is only valid if we are proven wrong. I said there were no goals in the team and amazingly I was right. But it isn't insightful football knowledge on my part, you can wiki our team and see it for yourself. Add up the games and average out the goals.Leeds_Addick said:Btw Wigan looked decent. Think Wyke is better than a lot give him credit for (mainly Sunderland fans) and Will Keane looked a good player. As did James McClean - I know a lot of people don't like him but he bossed it when he came on.
Word for Ben Amos taking the banter from the Covered End well too - can't believe we didn't test him at all.Everyone could look at the numbers and see how players had performed in the past but that’s not always the best indicator of future performance.I was willing to wait a few games to see how we got on before sticking the boot in and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that approach.
Well done on calling it right re: goal threat before this season started. What I will say to that is that many of the same people were saying the same stuff last summer and we turned out to be one of the best goalscoring teams.3 -
Scoham said:
Got to say that out of those who seem to be in the firing line at the moment (so to speak) i.e.
- Adkins
- T S
- Gallen and / or Roddy
- The players.
I've got most sympathy with Adkins. Even though it is always expected to fall the manager to face the fans and look for the excuses, I generally don't think he's completely, or even a little bit to blame. Bow had the excuses after working under ESI etc (Which I personally think he enjoyed due to the low expectations), but Adkins has come in under a rookie owner and a seemingly disjointed management set up, so I don't think his position is anymore easier or straight forward than that Bow enjoyed. Obviously he has made tactical mistakes with what he’s got, but surely you can only really judge him when he's been given a bit of a war chest and the freedom to make his own mistakes?
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I think Sandgaard has seriously underestimated league one.
He thought he could put a successful squad together on the cheap.
I know it's only 4 games in but I doubt we will strengthen sufficiently in the next week or so to challenge at the top.
We can only hope he learns from this and next season he invests enough to challenge.
It's going to cost him a small fortune in league one as he is now discovering.29 -
I think Adkins deserves a bit of time.
He's come into a squad that clearly isn't good enough. Couple of long-term injuries means he has no LB and no AM.
Another injury to Clare means he's forced to name 3 central midfielders and have no others on the bench.
Moving us to 4-4-2 because of the lack of central midfielders in the second half lost us the game, but he was forced into that change because of our lack of depth.
I wouldn't say any player looks worse under Adkins than under a previous manager, they're just poor players and he's had to make do.6
