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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Wigan — 21/8/2021

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  • WK6824Nine
    WK6824Nine Posts: 571
    edited August 2021
    gillingham away will be more telling of where we're going than crewe at home, after the transfers window where we might bring in/finalse some freebies along with transfer fee signings and loans prior. same line up for crewe at home since we have no choice.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    _MrDick said:
    Apologies if this has already been posted …

    things could be worse, we could support Arsenal

    https://twitter.com/footballlforall/status/1429776304941961218?s=21
    supporting Charlton is worse
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited August 2021
    Billy_Mix said:
    MacGillivray kept us in it, Wigan could have been 4 up and it wouldn't have 
    Watson standing out as the best midfielder is a dismal state of affairs.  Clare was missed, which is grim cos' he's nowhere near the much missed Pratley. Dobson looked like a very young boy amongst men, a weak slow thick little boy so far out of his depth he must be amphibious.
    Full backs were alright
    Kirk looked willing if not over blessed with talent.  DJ has shown glimpses of talent, previously, showed none on Saturday and gave up after 15 minutes.  If Adkins knew he was good for 45 minutes max why the actual fuck was he sent out 2nd half?  It was clear to all DJ'd bailed out long before.  If it was physical then Adkins is a pillock, if it was anything else then DJ's a prick - 
    Sorry, but I don’t get this personal stuff that crops up more and more these days. All getting a bit toxic. It’s just players trying their best, and maybe not succeeding. It’s all getting out of proportion. Imagine saying any of this stuff to their faces, one to one. 
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    JamesSeed said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    MacGillivray kept us in it, Wigan could have been 4 up and it wouldn't have 
    Watson standing out as the best midfielder is a dismal state of affairs.  Clare was missed, which is grim cos' he's nowhere near the much missed Pratley. Dobson looked like a very young boy amongst men, a weak slow thick little boy so far out of his depth he must be amphibious.
    Full backs were alright
    Kirk looked willing if not over blessed with talent.  DJ has shown glimpses of talent, previously, showed none on Saturday and gave up after 15 minutes.  If Adkins knew he was good for 45 minutes max why the actual fuck was he sent out 2nd half?  It was clear to all DJ'd bailed out long before.  If it was physical then Adkins is a pillock, if it was anything else then DJ's a prick - 
    Sorry, but I don’t get this personal stuff that crops up more and more these days. All getting a bit toxic. It’s just players trying their best, and maybe not succeeding. It’s all getting out of proportion. Imagine saying any of this stuff to their faces, one to one. 
    I wonder who used to post in that manner, it's got a very familiar ring to it 😯
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    RedChaser said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    MacGillivray kept us in it, Wigan could have been 4 up and it wouldn't have 
    Watson standing out as the best midfielder is a dismal state of affairs.  Clare was missed, which is grim cos' he's nowhere near the much missed Pratley. Dobson looked like a very young boy amongst men, a weak slow thick little boy so far out of his depth he must be amphibious.
    Full backs were alright
    Kirk looked willing if not over blessed with talent.  DJ has shown glimpses of talent, previously, showed none on Saturday and gave up after 15 minutes.  If Adkins knew he was good for 45 minutes max why the actual fuck was he sent out 2nd half?  It was clear to all DJ'd bailed out long before.  If it was physical then Adkins is a pillock, if it was anything else then DJ's a prick - 
    Sorry, but I don’t get this personal stuff that crops up more and more these days. All getting a bit toxic. It’s just players trying their best, and maybe not succeeding. It’s all getting out of proportion. Imagine saying any of this stuff to their faces, one to one. 
    I wonder who used to post in that manner, it's got a very familiar ring to it 😯
    Hardly. 
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited August 2021
    Heavens above @JamesSeed not you, top gear, adverse weather conditions and a male chicken are your three clues 😉.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited August 2021
    RedChaser said:
    Heavens above @JamesSeed not you, top gear, adverse weather conditions and a male chicken are your three clues 😉.
    Rory Storm and the Hurricanes? 😬
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    RedChaser said:
    Heavens above @JamesSeed not you, top gear, adverse weather conditions and a male chicken are your three clues 😉.
    Ah, STC? 
    Has he gone? He could be very amusing. 
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited August 2021
    JamesSeed said:
    RedChaser said:
    Heavens above @JamesSeed not you, top gear, adverse weather conditions and a male chicken are your three clues 😉.
    Tory Storm and the Hurricanes? 😬
    As the compare on Catch Phrase used to say “It’s good but not right” 😉

  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    An issue is that our wide players are finding hard to beat their defender but if they had a full back overlapping or even supporting it would be easier for them to do so. I think Purrington does this well. Steve Brown made the point last season that Maatson was running into the space the wide man wanted. Purrington supports the wide man with an option. Currently they are on their own too much though.
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  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    Can anybody tell me what the attendance was on Saturday.
    Can't find it anywhere and missed the announcement at the game.
    Looked about 11k from where I was sat in the West Upper
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,436
    edited August 2021
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Can anybody tell me what the attendance was on Saturday.
    Can't find it anywhere and missed the announcement at the game.
    Looked about 11k from where I was sat in the West Upper
    13,839 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58209816
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Can anybody tell me what the attendance was on Saturday.
    Can't find it anywhere and missed the announcement at the game.
    Looked about 11k from where I was sat in the West Upper
    13,839 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58209816
    Thanks mate, I see it now (on the "line-ups" tab????)
    I bet it really was 11k actual then  :|
  • Cloudworm
    Cloudworm Posts: 975
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    An issue is that our wide players are finding hard to beat their defender but if they had a full back overlapping or even supporting it would be easier for them to do so. I think Purrington does this well. Steve Brown made the point last season that Maatson was running into the space the wide man wanted. Purrington supports the wide man with an option. Currently they are on their own too much though.
    Exactly as I see it. The full backs are the problem right now. They should provide help all the way up and down the flanks. They try, but they just haven't got the skills or stamina. If I could sign three new players before next month, 2 of them would be full-backs and I'd ship either CG or AM out if possible. 
  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,688
    If Carlsberg made managers.......

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mansfieldtownfc/status/1429131890292838403?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1429666372821397507|twgr^|twcon^s3_&ref_url=https://d-32799943002276011135.ampproject.net/2108052321001/frame.html
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited August 2021
    Any one else notice how good Pratley is now he has left ?
    His main ambition last season was to get more yellow cards than Watson. Well that's what it looked like.

    As Rhoy Wiggins told me ? Football politics will always rear its head and we only needed one out of Pratley and Watson. TBH I'm not sure we needed either 36 year old. Watson had the second year option so Pratley went as his contract was up.

    Bolton and Coventry dipped their toe into the League 2 cesspit before their renaissance saw then escape the 10pm to 10.30 slot on Quest.

    I was spot on with the 7th prediction last season but I'm hanging fire until the Window closes. I can say top 2 is looking a tad unlikely !

    If you can keep your head while all around you are losing there's; you can play striker for Charlton athletic.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    JamesSeed said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    MacGillivray kept us in it, Wigan could have been 4 up and it wouldn't have 
    Watson standing out as the best midfielder is a dismal state of affairs.  Clare was missed, which is grim cos' he's nowhere near the much missed Pratley. Dobson looked like a very young boy amongst men, a weak slow thick little boy so far out of his depth he must be amphibious.
    Full backs were alright
    Kirk looked willing if not over blessed with talent.  DJ has shown glimpses of talent, previously, showed none on Saturday and gave up after 15 minutes.  If Adkins knew he was good for 45 minutes max why the actual fuck was he sent out 2nd half?  It was clear to all DJ'd bailed out long before.  If it was physical then Adkins is a pillock, if it was anything else then DJ's a prick - 
    Sorry, but I don’t get this personal stuff that crops up more and more these days. All getting a bit toxic. It’s just players trying their best, and maybe not succeeding. It’s all getting out of proportion. Imagine saying any of this stuff to their faces, one to one. 
    Stopped reading when he said the much missed Pratley (now plying his trade in league 2) :)
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    An issue is that our wide players are finding hard to beat their defender but if they had a full back overlapping or even supporting it would be easier for them to do so. I think Purrington does this well. Steve Brown made the point last season that Maatson was running into the space the wide man wanted. Purrington supports the wide man with an option. Currently they are on their own too much though.
    Matthews, although no Cafu, managed to get up and down to some sort of reasonable degree last season.  In the first half against MK Dons he did as well, including a couple of lovely chest passes.

    If you playing full back you can only go foward if you confident the midfield can keep the ball long enough for you to get there, find you or someone else when you do and track the runner back when you lose it.

    Fix the midfield and a lot, not all, of the other things fix themselves.

    I also think we really miss the directness of Millar.  You could give him the ball and it moved the whole team 10-20 yards up the pitch even if there was often no direct end result. 
  • HandG
    HandG Posts: 2,134
    edited August 2021
    Cloudworm said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    An issue is that our wide players are finding hard to beat their defender but if they had a full back overlapping or even supporting it would be easier for them to do so. I think Purrington does this well. Steve Brown made the point last season that Maatson was running into the space the wide man wanted. Purrington supports the wide man with an option. Currently they are on their own too much though.
    Exactly as I see it. The full backs are the problem right now. They should provide help all the way up and down the flanks. They try, but they just haven't got the skills or stamina. If I could sign three new players before next month, 2 of them would be full-backs and I'd ship either CG or AM out if possible. 
    In their defence (excuse the pun), they may have concerns that our wingers don’t offer much defensive support and are more reluctant to make overlapping runs. Adam Matthews in particular seems to be far less attacking than he has been previously and there must be a reason for that? Could it even be instructions from the coaches? 

    Adkins seems to be oddly obsessed with DJ so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s put the brakes on Matthews to give him more freedom. It’s such a contrast to Bowyer who would have dropped him and slagged him off by now for letting his runner go in every game….
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited August 2021
    HandG said:
    Cloudworm said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    An issue is that our wide players are finding hard to beat their defender but if they had a full back overlapping or even supporting it would be easier for them to do so. I think Purrington does this well. Steve Brown made the point last season that Maatson was running into the space the wide man wanted. Purrington supports the wide man with an option. Currently they are on their own too much though.
    Exactly as I see it. The full backs are the problem right now. They should provide help all the way up and down the flanks. They try, but they just haven't got the skills or stamina. If I could sign three new players before next month, 2 of them would be full-backs and I'd ship either CG or AM out if possible. 
    In their defence (excuse the pun), they may have concerns that our wingers don’t offer much defensive support and are more reluctant to make overlapping runs. Adam Matthews in particular seems to be far less attacking than he has been previously and there must be a reason for that? Could it even be instructions from the coaches? 
    If it is instructions from the coaches then 4-3-3 is the wrong system because without the full backs bombing on it doesn't operate effectively. Kirk needs a full back who gets forward to support him if he's to replicate his best Crewe performances.
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  • Cloudworm
    Cloudworm Posts: 975
    HandG said:
    Cloudworm said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    An issue is that our wide players are finding hard to beat their defender but if they had a full back overlapping or even supporting it would be easier for them to do so. I think Purrington does this well. Steve Brown made the point last season that Maatson was running into the space the wide man wanted. Purrington supports the wide man with an option. Currently they are on their own too much though.
    Exactly as I see it. The full backs are the problem right now. They should provide help all the way up and down the flanks. They try, but they just haven't got the skills or stamina. If I could sign three new players before next month, 2 of them would be full-backs and I'd ship either CG or AM out if possible. 
    In their defence (excuse the pun), they may have concerns that our wingers don’t offer much defensive support and are more reluctant to make overlapping runs. Adam Matthews in particular seems to be far less attacking than he has been previously and there must be a reason for that? Could it even be instructions from the coaches? 

    Adkins seems to be oddly obsessed with DJ so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s put the brakes on Matthews to give him more freedom. It’s such a contrast to Bowyer who would have dropped him and slagged him off by now for letting his runner go in every game….
    Good points 
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    edited August 2021
    It’s all about opinions I guess but from where I sit (sat) Purrington offered almost nothing in an attacking sense and Matthews looks as though he either doesn’t give a toss/has been told not to go beyond halfway/both of the above. Proper attacking left backs like Da Silva or Wiggins added so much but at the risk of exposure defensively on occasion. We have absolutely nothing like either on the books (I can’t speak for Roddy but I just have this sneaking feeling in my water that he is shit). 

    Edit. Yes I know Purrington scored at Wembley but in general terms……..
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Don't be a Silly Billy.

    Purrington was watching from the stand, so you are correct he did offer nothing going forward !!!
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    edited August 2021
    soapboxsam said:
    Don't be a Silly Billy.

    Purrington was watching from the stand, so you are correct he did offer nothing going forward !!!
    Eh?  Purrington scored our equaliser at Wembley v Sunderland. I was referring to that and his general non contribution in attack during his career thus far with us. I am aware that he has not featured this season. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    It you look at his record Purrington gets forward a fair amount. The main problem is he is slow getting back. He is no Luke Shaw but not many players are.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    soapboxsam said:
    It you look at his record Purrington gets forward a fair amount. The main problem is he is slow getting back. He is no Luke Shaw but not many players are.
    Agreed. He's pretty good going forward, but horribly slow to get back when possession breaks down
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    Purrington’s good at popping up in the right places, but I wouldn’t extend that to him being good actually carrying the ball forward.
  • th0rryy
    th0rryy Posts: 360
    edited August 2021
    [e] Wrong thread!  :#
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    So our downfall this season is purrington who hasn’t played so if we don’t play him we should improve. 
    The issue is that we don’t have a left back on the books who fits our bill at the moment. Purrington will be an improvement on Gunter but he’s not good enough to be the attacking left wing back that we need for Nigel’s formation. And if he gets injured again we have no back up. 

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