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Post-match thread: Milton Keynes v Charlton Athletic | Tuesday 17th August, 2021
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On my way home. Mrs Stig just told me she spent the evening watching Birdbox. 'That's funny love' I said 'I feel like I've just watching the stage show of it'.
Serious thoughts on the match to come. At the moment I've a horrible feeling I'm going to regret getting my season ticket back.3 -
It's a curious thing, but he's looked good whenever I've seen him play for Wales. I guess it's called Charltonisation.carly burn said:ValleyGary said:‘Gunter gets pressured onto his left and slows down the phase of play either coming on his right or kicking it out’….10 days later, still happening. Fuck me, I know these people have done their badges and have experience but it’s so frustrating.Said in the match thread,he's much the same on his right.Fella needs a 20M No fly zone where no opposition player can go near him.Get within the zone and he shits himself.One of THE worst ball players I've seen in a Charlton shirt.Quite how he's managed to get so many international caps f******g mystifies me!!0 -
My only game so far this reason was this time last week in the League Cup, I’ve got it all to look forward to on Saturday by the sounds of it.
I can completely get the anger and frustration at what appear to be 3 dire performances. The team was weak last season and the league was just as weak. We needed an absolute refresh and we haven’t had that.It looks unlikely that based on this current team/squad, even with 5/6 more players of the ilk we’re likely to get, we’ll be challenging for promotion. Never say never, but when we’ve got people scratching for crumbs saying it will be okay when we get Gilbey and JFC back, or, we should’ve kept Shinnie, you know you’re desperate
The one thing I can’t get my head around is the gradual anger directed at TS. He’s made some mistakes, said things that he probably shouldn’t have and there’s lots up to debate re: how he’s running the club etc etc. however, seeing some of the comments on Twitter and here about pulling his finger out, put your money where your mouth is etc. bloody hell, we’re like a bunch of spoilt little brats that just expect this guy to plough millions into the squad and we’ll sign 12/13 players. I would love that. I would love for us to be signing as many players have Ipswich have, but football, like life isn’t that simple. TS is putting his money where his mouth is. It’s costing him personally every single month. We don’t have a divine right to have better players or expect anything more than what we’ve got.
He’s literally been in charge over a year, most of that in Covid. No to very little income. How many other benefactors were lining up to run this loss making league one football club last summer when we were on the brink.I get his personality and presence might wind people up, his actions and words aren’t always the best way, but have a word with yourselves. We’ve gone from being on the brink of existence to putting out tweets where we tell him how much to spend and on who and it’s that simple????
He may get it catastrophically wrong on the playing side with regards the players purchased, and it might not be that what he thought was a decent budget is enough to get us the quality we need, but I think people just need to show a bit more respect.
I’m not arguing with anyone’s viewpoint on how crap we look, I’ve had many a rant at how shit we are over the years. I just can’t get my head around how quickly some of us seem to be up TS’ backside when the bloke is pretty much keeping us breathing financially19 -
Stig said:On my way home. Mrs Stig just told me she spent the evening watching Birdbox. 'That's funny love' I said 'I feel like I've just watching the stage show of it'.
Serious thoughts on the match to come. At the moment I've a horrible feeling I'm going to regret getting my season ticket back.
Yep considering we're only in the second week of august the thought of exercising my season ticket for next 9 or so months isn't filling me with the usual sense of optimism.
In fact if we don't pull out some left field (and left back) signings pretty quick I expect the Covered End will resemble something like this by mid September....
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Who was it that claimed we'd score more goal this year than last?
Step forward sir, I'd like to bet everything I own including my flat on the fact that we won't get anywhere fucking near0 -
He keeps talking about honest, hard working players. Would rather get some lazy liars that are better at winning football matches.18
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Doesn’t sound like he has any clue or input as to the transfers and goings oLouisMend said:9 -
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:He keeps talking about honest, hard working players. Would rather get some lazy liars that are better at winning football matches.I think that could be a response to the fans singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ when the players came over at the end of the game.1
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Ipswich this, Ipswich that - i don’t give a fcuk about them.9
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Is it me or is Adkins description of the team as 'honest and hard-working' rather than 'talented' a sign that he knows there is a big problem?LouisMend said:
The phrase he uses always strikes me as damning with faint praise.18 -
I mean based on 4 games so far the fans kind of have a point.cafc_4life said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:He keeps talking about honest, hard working players. Would rather get some lazy liars that are better at winning football matches.I think that could be a response to the fans singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ when the players came over at the end of the game.
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Or do you mean the Dobson and Clare that went on loan to almost relegated Burton and Wimbledon and helped keep them up?J BLOCK said:
You mean Dobson and Clare our starting midfield that couldn’t get into their league one first teams last season, can’t be that bad?Stonewallpenalty19 said:
Yep. I'd say us and Ipswich lack a lot of confidence. I don’t believe these players are this bad.cafcfan1990 said:
Ipswich have signed too many players and Cook is still clearly working out what his best team is. It's a much better problem than we have but with the same results at the moment. You'd have to fancy them to get it right at some point though.FishCostaFortune said:So what's going wrong at Ipswich? Before the season no one would grumble at the quality of player they have bought in, as well as the experience of the manager - but currently they find themselves in the exact same situation as us.
You have to feel they have more chance of turning it around then us, but I guess we always have more leeway to improve our squad more so (if we start to being in quality players).I can.
Glass is either half empty or half full.
Like last year none of the players individually are awful (Gunter playing at left back aside) the balance in midfield is wrong (Adkins got that right 1st time after Bowyer got it wrong for 4 months). Honestly I believe 1 or 2 more "best" players would transform this team. We need more depth as well, don't get me wrong.
We played some nice stuff, on the floor, until they equalised. Like I said after the Oxford game the lower the confidence gets the longer the ball goes. It's just like Parkinson's team that got relegated from the championship. Best team until they score then it all falls to pieces.
Funny how good Amos, Gilbey, JFC and Aneke are now. All 4 would massively improve us but 3 of them were hammered last year despite being our 3 best players.5 -
It’s his way, he’s a picker of positives and his always going to talk up his players. It’s a nicer, more palatable version of Gobbo, but a lot of it is going to sound nonsense to us after a defeat.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:He keeps talking about honest, hard working players. Would rather get some lazy liars that are better at winning football matches.3 -
Agreed, but I fear our problem go deeper than that. I just think almost all of our players are a little bit short of what’s required. Some are way short. Can’t see them bringing in another centre forward when we have Stockley. Full backs are struggling. Watson just a yard too slow now. The squad looks thin, the bench is weak.MuttleyCAFC said:I feared this a couple of months ago. Need to go 4-4-2 and be a bit more direct. Midfield hasn't got the creativity or nouse. Bypass them. We need a pacey or tall centre forward and a few more players who know where the goal is.At least this week we looked better for spells. Jaiyesimi and Clare upped their games and got on the ball a lot more (not hard). Morgan as ever tried so hard but couldn’t quite pull it all together (but great free kick for the goal).
But at the end of the day, we still have a club, and something to moan about other than spivs, weirdos, Aussies and criminals.1 -
No, it's just his usual over optimistic outlook on life and the squad. They're honest and hard working so that means they'll make up any talent shortfall by being more productive than other players, but I'm reality it just translates to our players huffing and puffing around the pitchSouthbank said:
Is it me or is Adkins description of the team as 'honest and hard-working' rather than 'talented' a sign that he knows there is a big problem?LouisMend said:0 - Sponsored links:
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Lads, hold a breath.! Just look at Ipswich 😉
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Dobson and Clare are shit and no one can tell me otherwise. Could not give a fuck who or what they have done elsewhere, they add absolutely nothing to our midfield. There's a reason we're hoofing it so much to bypass them.Cafc43v3r said:
Or do you mean the Dobson and Clare that went on loan to almost relegated Burton and Wimbledon and helped keep them up?J BLOCK said:
You mean Dobson and Clare our starting midfield that couldn’t get into their league one first teams last season, can’t be that bad?Stonewallpenalty19 said:
Yep. I'd say us and Ipswich lack a lot of confidence. I don’t believe these players are this bad.cafcfan1990 said:
Ipswich have signed too many players and Cook is still clearly working out what his best team is. It's a much better problem than we have but with the same results at the moment. You'd have to fancy them to get it right at some point though.FishCostaFortune said:So what's going wrong at Ipswich? Before the season no one would grumble at the quality of player they have bought in, as well as the experience of the manager - but currently they find themselves in the exact same situation as us.
You have to feel they have more chance of turning it around then us, but I guess we always have more leeway to improve our squad more so (if we start to being in quality players).I can.
Glass is either half empty or half full.
Like last year none of the players individually are awful (Gunter playing at left back aside) the balance in midfield is wrong (Adkins got that right 1st time after Bowyer got it wrong for 4 months). Honestly I believe 1 or 2 more "best" players would transform this team. We need more depth as well, don't get me wrong.
We played some nice stuff, on the floor, until they equalised. Like I said after the Oxford game the lower the confidence gets the longer the ball goes. It's just like Parkinson's team that got relegated from the championship. Best team until they score then it all falls to pieces.
Funny how good Amos, Gilbey, JFC and Aneke are now. All 4 would massively improve us but 3 of them were hammered last year despite being our 3 best players.3 -
I think “it’s only been three games!!” is a pretty clear point. It’s been a shit start but there are 43 games to go. Do you honestly think it’s going to be the same all season? Of course it isn’t. We’ll sign some more players and we’ll start winning a few games.Nicholas said:Every season is exactly the same on here and with social media-players are either fantastic or utter shite after playing about 10 minutes and, if we win the first two games, we’re winning the league, if we lose the first couple we’re heading for relegation.I can understand people having a few concerns but some of these reactions are a tad premature especially when you look where we’ve come from…2 -
“Pass to DJ, pass to DJ” 🎵shirty5 said:
Panic on the streets of CharltonValleyGary said:Fucking hell, DJ is not a problem.6 -
I thought DJ tracked back really well tonight.cafcfan1990 said:
Do we have the players for a 442? We get overrun in a midfield 3, I'd hate to see it as a 2. Plus if Kirk and DJ are wide are they going to track back enough?esseffect said:4 4 2 sounds good. But we’ve only had the players to do that since Kirk joined1 -
AFKABartram said:
It’s his way, he’s a picker of positives and his always going to talk up his players. It’s a nicer, more palatable version of Gobbo, but a lot of it is going to sound nonsense to us after a defeat.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:He keeps talking about honest, hard working players. Would rather get some lazy liars that are better at winning football matches.
cafc_4life said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:He keeps talking about honest, hard working players. Would rather get some lazy liars that are better at winning football matches.I think that could be a response to the fans singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ when the players came over at the end of the game.
I know gents, it was a bit tongue in cheek. Adkins is still in credit with me so far. More to this than it being down to Adkins ballsing up the summer transfer window unfortunately I think and he's being diplomatic about the complete anticlimax of our squad going into this campaign thus far.
Would love to know what his genuine view on it is i.e. whether he is fully aware of this from day one or if goalposts have shifted.
Surely he's wise enough about the game to have identified we are massively under resourced.
And surely now being desperate for bodies and quality makes it a seller's market so we've lost any assumed brinkmanship as other clubs will know we can't afford to play blink first games any longer unless we are prepared to write off another season/ wait until january to build a squad.
If the strategy is just to tick over in league one then so be it but let's stop pretending it's anything else if so please and at least we can accept it and get on with it.1 -
Good news for the bookie, you mean!clb74 said:One bit of good news.
I've just been able to get 20/1 for us to win the league.
On a positive note, I spoke to dad after the game. In his 70+ years watching our beloved team he was able to offer calming words of encouragement. He said that "at least we have a club to support and stability. That is more important than success or failure on th pitch."
I really wanted to say "but you don't understand." Clearly he does and is able to take a much more measured view than I.2 -
Maybe this can be asked at the next fans Q&A because I’d love to know the reasoning behind it too. Ridiculous decision.kielyskickingboots said:If anyone at the club involved with the decision to let Shinnie - our best creative midfielder - go, and can explain why that was a good decision and how we're better off now, l would love to hear it.3 -
Just got home.That was awful. The midfield 3 of Morgan, Clare and Dobson is not working at present. If we have to rely on them it will be a long hard season.We can’t control the game with them 3 or build anything so end up going long to stockley who is isolated.Only stockley and DJ can be happy with themselves tonight’s performance.I hope the next couple of weeks we get what we need because we are lacking so much based on last 2 games.13
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I think the first 20 minutes was the best we'd played this season. 2nd half was the worst we've played.seth plum said:Terrible result, bad injuries, but I actually thought it was the best we played in our four games so far. Not that that's saying much.
There are definitely some positives to take away. But far more negatives I'm afraid. That's not the worst Charlton game I've ever seen, but it was certainly one of the most pathetic performances. Those MK players must be laughing at how predictable every move we made in the 2nd half was.
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