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Another Gold - Eventing
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So the two Namibian athletes were ruled out of the 400m cos they have too much testosterone but are allowed to go in the 200m. What’s that all about?0
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Maybe they knocked one out inbetween?ValleyGary said:So the two Namibian athletes were ruled out of the 400m cos they have too much testosterone but are allowed to go in the 200m. What’s that all about?10 -
Did they run in 200m?ValleyGary said:So the two Namibian athletes were ruled out of the 400m cos they have too much testosterone but are allowed to go in the 200m. What’s that all about?
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/05/olympics-testosterone-sprinters/
That is absurd if they then compete in the 200m!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2021/08/02/world-athletics-absurd-testosterone-rules-spotlight-athletes/
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Mbomo just come 2nd in her semi final.
Edit; they both come 2nd in their semi finals.0 -
Absurd!ValleyGary said:Mbomo just come 2nd in her semi final.0 -
44.14 wearing a T Shirt!0
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This discus competition is turning into a farce1
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All that nonsense before the Olympics about Laurel Hubbard and surprise surprise, she doesn't have much of an advantage.4
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It doesn't mean that at all. She wasn't a "world class" male athlete.SELR_addicks said:All that nonsense before the Olympics about Laurel Hubbard and surprise surprise, she doesn't have much of an advantage.7 - Sponsored links:
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How on earth have you reached that conclusion?SELR_addicks said:All that nonsense before the Olympics about Laurel Hubbard and surprise surprise, she doesn't have much of an advantage.2 -
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.1 -
That bears no relation to her not having an unfair advantage.SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
She still had an unfair advantage, but despite it, she still isn't good enough.
Men might have an advantage over women but it doesn't mean they'd be faster/win against them10 -
SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
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It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man until their mid 30s with previous competitive weight lifting experience and now identifies as a woman having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.9 -
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.1 -
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.Surely that’s more damming for this argument?3 -
Even that doesn't mean she doesn't have an unfair advantage a) from being born male and b) from transitioning after puberty.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
What is harder to determine is how much in what sports etc0 -
SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Yes, you are right there... I'm wrong on that point and have edited my post above to reflect that.0 -
Does it indicate how much an advantage she has?Laddick01 said:
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.Surely that’s more damming for this argument?0 -
She broke records as a junior male.Laddick01 said:
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.0 - Sponsored links:
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She used to be able to get it up, before the op.PrincessFiona said:
Does it indicate how much an advantage she has?Laddick01 said:
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.Surely that’s more damming for this argument?0 -
Watching the women's 5000m . I loved the now the Japanese competetor gave the camera and the crowd so in the absence of Team GB, go Japan!1
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SELR_addicks said:
She broke records as a junior male.Laddick01 said:
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.6 -
How do you know that for a fact?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:
She broke records as a junior male.Laddick01 said:
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
She is training just as hard as all the other female weightlifters around the world. If she did have an unfair advantage she would win.
There a huge amount of stories about how men not at world-level quality manage to beat world-level females. Surely if Laurel was getting so much advantage, she'd do the same after training 24/7 for the event?1 -
Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard has been eliminated from the 2020 Olympics after she failed her opening three attempts at the snatch.
Some headlines just write themselves!
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The incredible number of events we now get medals in really impressive. It's not as if we just do well in a small number of sports any more5
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SELR_addicks said:
How do you know that for a fact?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:
She broke records as a junior male.Laddick01 said:
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.SELR_addicks said:
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SELR_addicks said:The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
I don't know it for a fact because it is unprovable. However the junior records in new Zealand that Hubbard set aged 20 and male do not translate to likely elite Olympic male lifts.
Regardless, the point being that as a male he held a junior weight lifting record which is no mean feat AND was born male and therefore has significant advantage over women who were born female as there are inherent physiological differences when it comes to strength and athletics beyond the arbitrary testosterone/ hormone levels that have been ushered in to give a false perception of fairness and level playing field.0 -
How on earth do you deduce that 'if she had an unfair advantage she would have won'? That is ridiculous logic. She has an unfair advantage but still didn't win.
How do you know that for a fact?
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
She is training just as hard as all the other female weightlifters around the world. If she did have an unfair advantage she would win.
There a huge amount of stories about how men not at world-level quality manage to beat world-level females. Surely if Laurel was getting so much advantage, she'd do the same after training 24/7 for the event?
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PrincessFiona said:
How on earth do you deduce that 'if she had an unfair advantage she would have won'? That is ridiculous logic. She has an unfair advantage but still didn't win.
How do you know that for a fact?
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
She is training just as hard as all the other female weightlifters around the world. If she did have an unfair advantage she would win.
There a huge amount of stories about how men not at world-level quality manage to beat world-level females. Surely if Laurel was getting so much advantage, she'd do the same after training 24/7 for the event?
Let's see how many 40 year old biological females are competing at the Olympics0
