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England v Italy - THE FINAL - Match Thread
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The dust has settled slightly after a 2 hour kip. I won't miss 3am kickoffs!
Very proud of what we achieved. We were so close.
We let Italy win that. Call it 1st final jitters, playing the occasion, I dunno. I said after the Denmark game I wouldn't critise GS, and I'll stick to that, but I will point out that your 5th penalty taker should never be your least experienced players. Any Sunday league manager knows the 1st and last are your strongest. But Sako must of put his hand up and said he'll take it. And that's immense courage and balls. I hope he doesn't regress from it.
The team will learn front that, GS definitely has to learn from that.
But what a tournament. I've sat and watched so many videos of all you fans back home with real joy, and a dash of envy. If covid wasn't around, I'd of been in my local pubs back In the UK.
Maybe we had to lose a final before making that next step. I know we're definitely building something extraordinary with the youth of our squad.
So as much as I'm down, it's onwards and upwards, and promotion from L1 next to celebrate.1 -
ct_addick said:
Still don't believe Southgate is the person t push us on....so much talent on the bench and he brought on Henderson who was woeful....and letting a 19 year old take the 5th penalty in the shootout....could destroy the boys career.iainment said:Perhaps we were lucky to be in the final.
Perhaps we were lucky it went to ET.
Perhaps we were lucky it went to pens.
Perhaps we have the basis of a fantastic England team that will be on the up from this.
Come on England!
Hello mate.
Southgate has pushed us on we reached a semi final in a WC and we were 3 shite penalties away from winning the Euro's in a final.
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On the train to work and just absolutely gutted still.
The eldest broke down in tears after the game, saying " I waited all day and night for this, for these, these Fuckers to lose" hes 9.
I couldn't help but laugh and then try to explain to him what he witnessed was the start of something special and that nobody thought we would make it to the final 6 months ago.
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He checked the size of the shirt, didn’t fit.Mendonca In Asdas said:3 -
Here it is folks, the absolute worst take on the thread. If Southgate had spent less time thinking about putting the means of production back in the hands of the people and which knee he should kneel on we might have done a goal from 12 yards. Incidentally, you only have to look at the massive amounts of vile racist abuse the players who missed are getting to see why the ‘woke’ messaging isn’t just virtue signalling. Imagine thinking saying ‘please stop racially abusing our players’ is woke. The mind of a racist is a confusing thingMajor said:Maybe, instead of virtue signalling with all the trendy 'woke' messaging throughout the tournament, the England manager had, when it mattered, focused on football matters, he might have remembered the effect of all the pressure he felt when he missed his penalty and not relied on stats from training but actually thought about the situation he sent the kids into.41 -
Another big game when we took the lead and allowed the opposition back into the game, Croatia semi-final, Holland in nations league and yesterday. Didn’t deserve to win as we never went looking for a second goal. Happy to be called out, Southgate is way to negative manager.3
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1 goal was always a tall ask to defend, we couldn't press home our advantage in the opening stages and get the 2nd. The balance of play turned and we could turn it back again.
If there is one fault I would aim at England, its the inability to finish games early. I know we hammered the Ukraine but I think that was an exception from the norm.0 -
I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.22
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The best team won - I do wonder if our tactics had been better whether we could have lifted the trophy? Mancini is more tactically astute than Southgate and it wasn't simply about the players available.ValleyGary said:I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.
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I disagree. The best team was us for the first 35 minutes then we went into our shell. I’m not asking for 90 minutes of a perfect game but there was no tactical masterclass from Mancini, we just turned shit. Whatever, they won over 12 yards we didn’t. Till next time.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The best team won - I do wonder if our tactics had been better whether we could have lifted the trophy? Mancini is more tactically astute than Southgate and it wasn't simply about the players available.ValleyGary said:I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.3 -
“we just turned shit”? Come on, England started well, exploited Italy down the right. Italy figured that out, plugged the gap and were the better team second half + extra time because if it.ValleyGary said:
I disagree. The best team was us for the first 35 minutes then we went into our shell. I’m not asking for 90 minutes of a perfect game but there was no tactical masterclass from Mancini, we just turned shit. Whatever, they won over 12 yards we didn’t. Till next time.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The best team won - I do wonder if our tactics had been better whether we could have lifted the trophy? Mancini is more tactically astute than Southgate and it wasn't simply about the players available.ValleyGary said:I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.
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Gutted…
We won’t get another route to the final like that.I can’t knock Southgate for his tactics, a semi and a final in two tournaments is better than most… but in the second half we weren’t in it, we needed to be more positive. We had the better players to come off the bench and I wished he’d gone for it…I just feel so flat. Reminds me of the day after Euro 96, getting the train into town, it was quiet, subdued and miserable…0 -
I'd say Italy were the better team until Chiesa went off injured... then both teams became very scared of making a mistake.se9addick said:
“we just turned shit”? Come on, England started well, exploited Italy down the right. Italy figured that out, plugged the gap and were the better team second half + extra time because if it.ValleyGary said:
I disagree. The best team was us for the first 35 minutes then we went into our shell. I’m not asking for 90 minutes of a perfect game but there was no tactical masterclass from Mancini, we just turned shit. Whatever, they won over 12 yards we didn’t. Till next time.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The best team won - I do wonder if our tactics had been better whether we could have lifted the trophy? Mancini is more tactically astute than Southgate and it wasn't simply about the players available.ValleyGary said:I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.
The best team certainly didnt win, two decent teams drew and then one got more fortunate that the other in a shootout1 -
You said we turned shit so was this down to the players or tactics? In terms of possession, number of chances and penalties we lagged behind.ValleyGary said:
I disagree. The best team was us for the first 35 minutes then we went into our shell. I’m not asking for 90 minutes of a perfect game but there was no tactical masterclass from Mancini, we just turned shit. Whatever, they won over 12 yards we didn’t. Till next time.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The best team won - I do wonder if our tactics had been better whether we could have lifted the trophy? Mancini is more tactically astute than Southgate and it wasn't simply about the players available.ValleyGary said:I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.
We sat back for a large part of the game and allowed Italy possession and it seemed inevitable they would score.
The early part of the game we did play well and overran them but after that we offered little.2 -
I'm just going to memory hole this defeat online. england fans were not the only fans to boo the knee, boo national anthems and act arrogant(in actuality arrogrance seems better when its actually justified). england fans just get singled out partially because English is an international language and people read our hyperbolic media. the french national team fans are arrogant but no one cares.1
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People said that after Russia 2018...Themightyath2 said:Gutted…
We won’t get another route to the final like that.I can’t knock Southgate for his tactics, a semi and a final in two tournaments is better than most… but in the second half we weren’t in it, we needed to be more positive. We had the better players to come off the bench and I wished he’d gone for it…I just feel so flat. Reminds me of the day after Euro 96, getting the train into town, it was quiet, subdued and miserable…
Have seen fans on twitter claim that our route to the Final was easier this year than that occasion
Yet were Germany really more shite compared to Colombia | Sweden | Croatia - Even Denmark7 -
Whose fans tried to break into Wembley without tickets?WK6824Nine said:I'm just going to memory hole this defeat online. england fans were not the only fans to boo the knee, boo national anthems and act arrogant(in actuality arrogrance seems better when its actually justified). england fans just get singled out partially because English is an international language and people read our hyperbolic media. the french national team fans are arrogant but no one cares.
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They didn’t need to be the better team. We totally regressed for some reason and then confidence grew only one way. It wasn’t some tactical Italian master class.se9addick said:
“we just turned shit”? Come on, England started well, exploited Italy down the right. Italy figured that out, plugged the gap and were the better team second half + extra time because if it.ValleyGary said:
I disagree. The best team was us for the first 35 minutes then we went into our shell. I’m not asking for 90 minutes of a perfect game but there was no tactical masterclass from Mancini, we just turned shit. Whatever, they won over 12 yards we didn’t. Till next time.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The best team won - I do wonder if our tactics had been better whether we could have lifted the trophy? Mancini is more tactically astute than Southgate and it wasn't simply about the players available.ValleyGary said:I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.0 -
Presumably it was down to our tactics - we've seen Charlton lose enough games by defending too deep.ValleyGary said:
They didn’t need to be the better team. We totally regressed for some reason and then confidence grew only one way. It wasn’t some tactical Italian master class.se9addick said:
“we just turned shit”? Come on, England started well, exploited Italy down the right. Italy figured that out, plugged the gap and were the better team second half + extra time because if it.ValleyGary said:
I disagree. The best team was us for the first 35 minutes then we went into our shell. I’m not asking for 90 minutes of a perfect game but there was no tactical masterclass from Mancini, we just turned shit. Whatever, they won over 12 yards we didn’t. Till next time.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The best team won - I do wonder if our tactics had been better whether we could have lifted the trophy? Mancini is more tactically astute than Southgate and it wasn't simply about the players available.ValleyGary said:I feel totally gutted this morning. Went on fb and the usual casual England fans have already turned after their day in the sun. Fuck off. We can disect the final to pieces but we didn’t win and that’s life. Had an amazing 4 weeks watching and this team will improve for the experience. Well done lads.0 - Sponsored links:
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Yesterday wasn’t a ‘once in a lifetime experience’. This team will make the latter stages of more big tournaments.ForeverAddickted said:
People said that after Russia 2018...Themightyath2 said:Gutted…
We won’t get another route to the final like that.I can’t knock Southgate for his tactics, a semi and a final in two tournaments is better than most… but in the second half we weren’t in it, we needed to be more positive. We had the better players to come off the bench and I wished he’d gone for it…I just feel so flat. Reminds me of the day after Euro 96, getting the train into town, it was quiet, subdued and miserable…
Have seen fans on twitter claim that our route to the Final was easier this year than that occasion
Yet were Germany really more shite compared to Colombia | Sweden | Croatia - Even Denmark7 -
I think our biggest problem was that we essentially played against ourselves, but sadly a more experienced version. Italy are a team based on massive defensive solidity in the middle with full backs who can drive forward and have a huge say in the attacking chances created. Their midfield is there to keep things moving and to provide a block to protect their centre backs. There's not a scrap of pace between Chiellini, Jorginho and Bonucci so they are compact and sensible. In the front three they have pace, invention and the ability to rotate and get goals out of their widemen. They're us basically, but while their overall side are maybe a bit less talented in an attacking sense (you'd take Kane over Immobile, Sterling and our other attackers over an aging Insigne and anyone but Chiesa) they've been doing it for a hell of a lot longer. This Italy side needed extra time and VAR against Austria, but they did it. They went 1-0 up against Spain and then had to deal with a team full of guile attacking them and needed penalties to see them off. Against us our early goal meant the roles reversed and it's no surprise the actual game was settled by goals from defenders in a game of few clear-cut chances. Then it came to penalties, and that's where our young side felt a little exposed. We brought on penalty takers who aren't even penalty takers for their domestic team, because we only had one of those and he was already on. Rice takes pens for West Ham but was off, and Mount would also have taken one but was sacrificed for Grealish which was the right move at the time. Weirdly both Belotti and Jorginho, who actually do take the penalties for their teams, missed. Just goes to show it all comes down to the moment and fewer of our players handled it than theirs. To take a wily Italy team to that point with a team so young is brilliant though, there's so much progress can be seen from this tournament. I don't think Southgate particularly got it wrong in this game, he set up right, England inevitably began to suffer against an Italy side who had essentially 88 minutes before them to push for an equaliser. He maybe could have changed it a bit before their equaliser but we still pushed in waves, we just couldn't carve out that all-important chance, Sterling broke into the box a few times but was shepherded brilliantly by the experienced centre backs and Mount's cut back hit Saka who couldn't sort out his feet near the end. Today feels terrible but there's so much potential in this side
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Hopefully we can improve tactically - Italy weren't an outstanding team and I was disappointed with the way we played.ValleyGary said:
Yesterday wasn’t a ‘once in a lifetime experience’. This team will make the latter stages of more big tournaments.ForeverAddickted said:
People said that after Russia 2018...Themightyath2 said:Gutted…
We won’t get another route to the final like that.I can’t knock Southgate for his tactics, a semi and a final in two tournaments is better than most… but in the second half we weren’t in it, we needed to be more positive. We had the better players to come off the bench and I wished he’d gone for it…I just feel so flat. Reminds me of the day after Euro 96, getting the train into town, it was quiet, subdued and miserable…
Have seen fans on twitter claim that our route to the Final was easier this year than that occasion
Yet were Germany really more shite compared to Colombia | Sweden | Croatia - Even Denmark0 -
Chiesa didn't even start as first choice for Italy at the beginning but was given the chance to show what he could do off the bench. Our manager didn't give anybody (well maybe Grealish vs Germany) a chance to make a lasting impression off the bench. I think the occassion was just too much for Saka last night - it may have been different if he'd started.
Mount was anonymous since coming back from isolation. A shame because I really rate him, but where does he actually fit into 3-5-2 - he doesn't and putting a square peg in a round hole when Grealish, Sancho or Saka could play out wide right/left is a mistake.
I'll take runners up because this team has so much potential, but we need to be a little more positive when in the lead ,against the big boys. We can take them on toe to toe - Maguire, Stones, Shaw and Walker were not our weaknesses this tournament so now Gareth needs to go for it more.0 -
That’s a two year plan!ForeverAddickted said:3 -
A gallant effort but penalty's are a lottery. Southgate could have done things differently & for me was a bit negative when you consider the attacking talent on the bench! Why Grealish was limited to the bench summed it up for me really. Going forward we have some good youngsters so future is bright!
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I imagine that clip was back in 2012se9addick said:
That’s a two year plan!ForeverAddickted said:
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Thought that was Kylie…🤔Mendonca In Asdas said:We’re not Positive enough, we’ll go on getting bad results, oh Jimmy Hill, why did you say those words, I can’t get them out of my head!5 -
Sitting back for so long as we did and allowing Italy so much possession just seemed too negative. I don't think Italy had better players overall but their setup was better.supaclive said:Chiesa didn't even start as first choice for Italy at the beginning but was given the chance to show what he could do off the bench. Our manager didn't give anybody (well maybe Grealish vs Germany) a chance to make a lasting impression off the bench. I think the occassion was just too much for Saka last night - it may have been different if he'd started.
Mount was anonymous since coming back from isolation. A shame because I really rate him, but where does he actually fit into 3-5-2 - he doesn't and putting a square peg in a round hole when Grealish, Sancho or Saka could play out wide right/left is a mistake.
I'll take runners up because this team has so much potential, but we need to be a little more positive when in the lead ,against the big boys. We can take them on toe to toe - Maguire, Stones, Shaw and Walker were not our weaknesses this tournament so now Gareth needs to go for it more.4
