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England v Scotland - Match Thread
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Some proper over the top comments regarding Southgate. Had it been Bowyer it would have been “let’s give him the summer window” and all that shite.But one bad result (a draw), and off with Southgate’s head. If we win on Tuesday we’ll top the group and tonight will not really matter.Guess that’s the entitlement that comes with many England fans though.11
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I thought Rice was England’s most ineffective player tonight. He hardly made a mistake but he contributed nothing.3
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He’s been reduced to nothing like most of the others. All sideways and no driving forwards.Red_in_SE8 said:I thought Rice was England’s most ineffective player tonight. He hardly made a mistake but he contributed nothing.
Its like watching a completely different player to the one that dominates some of the best midfielders in the world at West Ham.0 -
I think Rice sums up England’s attitude. Don’t make a mistake. No risk, no flair football.Red_in_SE8 said:I thought Rice was England’s most ineffective player tonight. He hardly made a mistake but he contributed nothing.6 -
Foden was our one attacking danger, it was bizarre taking him off instead of playing him alongside Grealishkentaddick said:Scotland did a job on us, and did it well. Southgate just didn’t have the balls to tinker his system and just replaced like for like. Looks like Kane’s been a bit found out at international level, or at least the system doesn’t work for him. Sterling looked off the pace today, needed to do what grealish was doing when he came on - taking the ball into contact. Foden was our best player, was making great runs and asking questions, once he came off we had nothing.
stones should have scored. Could’ve been 3-0 if he did.
It has to be said that bringing in a "proper" LB instead of Trippier made little difference to our potency down our left hand side4 -
Blimey - that was pretty poor from England. As my Tottenham supporting mate said, it almost looked as if Harry Kane was trying to persuade Levy to sell him.
Scotland were very good and I did enjoy the punditry of Souness and Roy Keane. Ultimately, it’s a point which takes us through the group and hopefully we can turn the Czechs over and win the group on Tuesday.
People tend to forget that we were lucky to get a draw against the Swiss in the Euro 96 opener and that we only just qualified (and changed the formation) after the first few games of Italia 90.
Maybe this is one of those ‘local derbies’, where the ‘big team’ always underperforms. All that said, I’m afraid that England look a little way short of the top teams in this tournament.
( In other news, good to see that a young Blackburn player has put Chile ahead against Bolivia )1 -
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we were soooo lame tonight even Scotland could have beaten us …..
the one real upside is that Harry Kane has wiped £50m off his value .10%Win tourney
15% Runner up
30% Losing semi
30%losing 1/4 finalists
15%losing last 16
0% failure in the group stageIt’s not fcuking coming home5 -
Pickford deserves more credit in an England shirt. Has been phenomenal.4
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So we are not good enough to beat the team that will finish 2nd in Group F (probably Germany or Portugal) in the last 16, but we are hoping to get to the Q-F, where we would play the team that wins Group F (probably France), who, I assume, you believe would slaughter us.MuttleyCAFC said:
No because we probably won't get past the quarters. Better to get there than get knocked out in last 16.superclive98 said:
Surely it's better to play the 2nd team in Group F in the last 16 than the 1st team in Group F in the Quarter Finals?MuttleyCAFC said:Two holding midfielders was not working but Southgate was to afraid to change it. My biggest worry about him is he is a bottler. Having said that, it was actually a decent result as if we win the group, there is no way we are beating France, Portugal or Germany. As it stands second would give us a last 16 game against Slovakia, Sweden or Poland. But unless the manager grows a pair, that is probably as far as we will go.
Grealish should have come on for Phillips and Rashford for Sterling (who was poor) and Calvert-Lewin on for Cane. I though James was a bit anonymous and I'd have Chilwell above Shaw every day of the week just for that extra bit of quality he has. Mount left his nine iron at home too which was frustrating!
That's worthwhile and something to look forward to.0 -
cafcsinger said:Two bob managers like Southgate will let us down. Need a proper manager not a yes man in a suit
All the managers in the past 55 years must have all been yes men then seeing as we've always been perennial failures since then. Including the over rated "golden generation" and with the messiah, the highest paid manager in the world at the time.
We have been, and will continue to be, failures, regardless of the manager. But can be argued, maybe we can have one that at least makes it a little more interesting I s'pose.1 - Sponsored links:
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Always been the most likely for me given the draw.oohaahmortimer said:PWR
we were soooo lame tonight even Scotland could have beaten us …..
the one real upside is that Harry Kane has wiped £50m off his value .10%Win tourney
15% Runner up
30% Losing semi
30%losing 1/4 finalists
15%losing last 16
0% failure in the group stageIt’s not fcuking coming home0 -
You asked who?, not who could we get. So I give you guardiola, at least he would use potentially our best player in foden to do what he does in his most productive position.MrOneLung said:
Who?cafcsinger said:Two bob managers like Southgate will let us down. Need a proper manager not a yes man in a suit0 -
We were clueless.....end of!🥺1
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All this overreaction reminds me of when I worked in an Italian bank in 1994. They lost to Ireland in their first match. Everything was rubbish, the team was useless, they were an embarrassment, blah blah blah. They finished the group with four points going through on goals for.
They eventually only lost the final due to that Baggio penalty shootout.2 -
Our Gareth isn’t brave enough to play grealish and foden, playing two holding players against so called weaker opponents, is a bit gutless. I think he’d be respected more by giving it a go, and potentially failing, rather than limp through to maybe the quarters and then getting beat by better sides.killerandflash said:
Foden was our one attacking danger, it was bizarre taking him off instead of playing him alongside Grealishkentaddick said:Scotland did a job on us, and did it well. Southgate just didn’t have the balls to tinker his system and just replaced like for like. Looks like Kane’s been a bit found out at international level, or at least the system doesn’t work for him. Sterling looked off the pace today, needed to do what grealish was doing when he came on - taking the ball into contact. Foden was our best player, was making great runs and asking questions, once he came off we had nothing.
stones should have scored. Could’ve been 3-0 if he did.
It has to be said that bringing in a "proper" LB instead of Trippier made little difference to our potency down our left hand side0 -
Absolute turd , England didn’t fancy it from first whistle, bizarre substitutions , how Sterling stayed on pitch for 90 minutes is beyond me !!!!!5
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This should be at least 30%.oohaahmortimer said:PWR
we were soooo lame tonight even Scotland could have beaten us …..
the one real upside is that Harry Kane has wiped £50m off his value .10%Win tourney
15% Runner up
30% Losing semi
30%losing 1/4 finalists
15%losing last 16
0% failure in the group stageIt’s not fcuking coming home0 -
I think the players misunderstood when people said we should walk it and took it literally3
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Seems to have cut out the kamikaze stuff, my man of the match.Laddick01 said:Pickford deserves more credit in an England shirt. Has been phenomenal.
Couldn’t believe Reece James first thought was to pass the ball backwards more often than not 🤷♂️. He was either frightened to take responsibility on the ball or was playing to instructions which is very concerning if its the latter and he wasn’t the only one 😤.Southgate needs to sort it out pdq and put a side out that can play with more freedom v the Czechs otherwise he’s going to be coming under pressure to keep his job.4 -
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If I were you I'd change allegiance & support France. Allez le bleusjimmymelrose said:Good point.
Qualification assured.
Job done.
This way we can possibly avoid finishing in the dreaded top spot.
Portugal drew all three group games in '16 and won the tournament.
There's more to come from England......Never. There's no passion.0 - Sponsored links:
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Just watched 5 seconds of that Peter Crouch programme.
Peter Ouch.
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Who does he say yes to?cafcsinger said:Two bob managers like Southgate will let us down. Need a proper manager not a yes man in a suit0 -
Bunch of hard boiled eggs.DaveMehmet said:
A space came up at The Volunteer in Bexleyheath, come on England.DaveMehmet said:Had a couple of mates coming over to watch it but have had to cancel as my wife has to self isolate. Gutted but at least I’ve still got loads of beer and crisps to keep me company. Really looking forward to the game
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Amazing atmosphere in George Square, you’d think we’d win the Euros!!
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Said it during the first game but there is definitely something amiss with Kane. Looks knackered or something.
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Fuck me it's a cult.cantersaddick said:
Bunch of hard boiled eggs.DaveMehmet said:
A space came up at The Volunteer in Bexleyheath, come on England.DaveMehmet said:Had a couple of mates coming over to watch it but have had to cancel as my wife has to self isolate. Gutted but at least I’ve still got loads of beer and crisps to keep me company. Really looking forward to the game1 -
Load of us being saying Southgate's not good enough for ages. Tonight has just confirmed that.cafctom said:Some proper over the top comments regarding Southgate. Had it been Bowyer it would have been “let’s give him the summer window” and all that shite.But one bad result (a draw), and off with Southgate’s head. If we win on Tuesday we’ll top the group and tonight will not really matter.Guess that’s the entitlement that comes with many England fans though.4 -
Oh ye of little faith @se9addick I told you it would be close. Congratulations you thoroughly deserved that point tonight 👍.1
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Job done, we've qualified & if we play out a draw with the Czechs we guarantee 2nd avoiding France/Portugal/Germany.1
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Stephen O'Donnell of Motherwell (who played 2 season for Luton in L2) had such an easy game, when you consider the attacking threat we should have posed down our left hand side1
