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VAR - are you a fan?
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Wtf are you on about. VAR looked at it and got it wrong. It was an incorrect decision.SELR_addicks said:
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.
I get it. You belong to the cult of technology can do no wrong. But in this case its shit and is ruining the game.
Football had no need for blokes drawing lines on screens. That wasnt what most people wanted.6 -
The VAR is looked at by who? A referee.Off_it said:
Wtf are you on about. VAR looked at it and got it wrong. It was an incorrect decision.SELR_addicks said:
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.
I get it. You belong to the cult of technology can do no wrong. But in this case its shit and is ruining the game.
People need to get their head around that. The technology isn't incorrect, it's literally just showing you a reply. The referee looking at the replay and still making the wrong decision is the problem with VAR.
The offside lines and goal-line technology is the only 'technology' decisions being made, and they've never been wrong.0 -
Technically you are correct - that doesn't get away from the fact that VAR is slowly but surely sucking the enjoyment out of the game. Players hate it, managers hate it, TV pundits hate it and clearly many supporters hate it. It needs binning.SELR_addicks said:
The VAR is looked at by who? A referee.Off_it said:
Wtf are you on about. VAR looked at it and got it wrong. It was an incorrect decision.SELR_addicks said:
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.
I get it. You belong to the cult of technology can do no wrong. But in this case its shit and is ruining the game.
People need to get their head around that. The technology isn't incorrect, it's literally just showing you a reply. The referee looking at the replay and still making the wrong decision is the problem with VAR.
The offside lines and goal-line technology is the only 'technology' decisions being made, and they've never been wrong.
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Deary meSELR_addicks said:
The VAR is looked at by who? A referee.Off_it said:
Wtf are you on about. VAR looked at it and got it wrong. It was an incorrect decision.SELR_addicks said:
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.
I get it. You belong to the cult of technology can do no wrong. But in this case its shit and is ruining the game.
People need to get their head around that. The technology isn't incorrect, it's literally just showing you a reply. The referee looking at the replay and still making the wrong decision is the problem with VAR.
The offside lines and goal-line technology is the only 'technology' decisions being made, and they've never been wrong.1 -
What's wrong with what I've said?O-Randy-Hunt said:
Deary meSELR_addicks said:
The VAR is looked at by who? A referee.Off_it said:
Wtf are you on about. VAR looked at it and got it wrong. It was an incorrect decision.SELR_addicks said:
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.
I get it. You belong to the cult of technology can do no wrong. But in this case its shit and is ruining the game.
People need to get their head around that. The technology isn't incorrect, it's literally just showing you a reply. The referee looking at the replay and still making the wrong decision is the problem with VAR.
The offside lines and goal-line technology is the only 'technology' decisions being made, and they've never been wrong.
The referees are the problem, not the technology.1 -
the problem is the introduction of the technology, not the technology per se.SELR_addicks said:
What's wrong with what I've said?O-Randy-Hunt said:
Deary meSELR_addicks said:
The VAR is looked at by who? A referee.Off_it said:
Wtf are you on about. VAR looked at it and got it wrong. It was an incorrect decision.SELR_addicks said:
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.
I get it. You belong to the cult of technology can do no wrong. But in this case its shit and is ruining the game.
People need to get their head around that. The technology isn't incorrect, it's literally just showing you a reply. The referee looking at the replay and still making the wrong decision is the problem with VAR.
The offside lines and goal-line technology is the only 'technology' decisions being made, and they've never been wrong.
The referees are the problem, not the technology.0 -
You said "point to a single incorrect offside decision made by VAR" and I did.SELR_addicks said:
The VAR is looked at by who? A referee.Off_it said:
Wtf are you on about. VAR looked at it and got it wrong. It was an incorrect decision.SELR_addicks said:
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.
I get it. You belong to the cult of technology can do no wrong. But in this case its shit and is ruining the game.
People need to get their head around that. The technology isn't incorrect, it's literally just showing you a reply. The referee looking at the replay and still making the wrong decision is the problem with VAR.
The offside lines and goal-line technology is the only 'technology' decisions being made, and they've never been wrong.
You know that VAR stands for Video Assisstant Referee, dont you? You seem to just be concentrating on the "V" part and saying the video is never wrong, which of course it isnt as it just plays back what's happened. But it's a person that decides where to draw the lines, it's a person who decides whether someone touched the ball or if it hit a hand, etc. That's what VAR is, the system of an assistant referee using video.
In my view all this has done is take away the discussions about why a referee may have made the decisions be did based on a split second decision and with only one look and replace it with discussions about how a video referee can still make the decision he has made with the benefit of multiple camera ang,es, slow motion and as much time as he likes.
Its not made the game better. It's made it worse.10 -
Technology can never be exact every time. If you are clocked at "exactly" 70.0000001 mph on the motorway there is no way anyone can know whether you are actually exceeding the speed limit. The measuring device will have an error tolerance and the decision has to be "not sure". Hopefully you are not banned. If the ball is exactly 0.000000000001 millimetres over the line no technology in the world can be sure either way!0
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None as the current technology stands and the fact that VAR does not make any decisions either but that is not the point. Waiting 2 to 3 minutes for it to be sorted is killing the joy, not the decision.SELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?2 -
If you want technology to take over sport you might as well remove humans completely as they're not 100% reliable. We could build footballing robots with sensors so that VAR would be guaranteed to work.
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I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.1
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So how do they manage it compared to the PL - it surely has to be better?Red_in_SE8 said:I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.0 -
Do you think we implement VAR well over here?Red_in_SE8 said:I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.
Worth pointing out that football is a lot quicker over here than the continent.
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Exactly the same. Although I don’t think they use goal line technology so they use VAR to confirm whether or not the ball crosses the line.0
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But surely not as slow - that is the main issue?Red_in_SE8 said:Exactly the same. Although I don’t think they use goal line technology so they use VAR to confirm whether or not the ball crosses the line.1 -
The referees are far far far far worse.cafc999 said:
Do you think we implement VAR well over here?Red_in_SE8 said:I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.
Worth pointing out that football is a lot quicker over here than the continent.
THEY are the problem. It has always been the case.
Do people forget before VAR that it was introduced because the refs were so bad in this country.
Remember the World Cup when it was first introduced? No issues whatsoever, couple of seconds to make a decision and that was it. No drama at all.1 -
Comparing a four week long tournament to a 9 month one is hardly fair. If the refs are bad and VAR does not improve the game because its the same refs making the decisions then why have it?0
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It was supposed to help the refs make the right decision.cafc999 said:Comparing a four week long tournament to a 9 month one is hardly fair. If the refs are bad and VAR does not improve the game because its the same refs making the decisions then why have it?
They still can't so maybe you need to go back and look at the training and qualifications the refs have to undergo. Is it really enough because clearly they don't have a clue what game they're watching sometimes.0 -
or just bin it off? It's all down to human error at the end of the daySELR_addicks said:
It was supposed to help the refs make the right decision.cafc999 said:Comparing a four week long tournament to a 9 month one is hardly fair. If the refs are bad and VAR does not improve the game because its the same refs making the decisions then why have it?
They still can't so maybe you need to go back and look at the training and qualifications the refs have to undergo. Is it really enough because clearly they don't have a clue what game they're watching sometimes.0 -
Remember it was also only meant to be for clear and obvious errors and not 1mm offside decisions...addick1956 said:
Yes but that makes the rule silly and a game with VAR a joke worth missing.SELR_addicks said:If you're complaining about hairline decisions involving offsides, blame the rules and not VAR.
The rules literally state anything beyond the defender that can touch the ball legally is offside. They're just going by the rules.3 -
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VAR Seemed To Check The Wrong Player As West Brom Were Denied A Goal (sportbible.com).
Thats two pointed out.0 -
I agree with the one captain's appeal per half, always have. That removes the incessant waiting for hairline decisions. Also it brings back the excitement if you know your team's gone for the appeal. Will there still be a couple of errors? Sure... but should catch the blatant ones and means you're not constantly slowing everything down. Also the captain has to say what they're appealing... so can't just say 'review that goal to see if anything's wrong with it'.0
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You sound like a TV pundit - everyone criticises referees and presumably they are all experts who can do a better job. Refs like players are human and make mistakes - some refs are better than others.SELR_addicks said:
The referees are far far far far worse.cafc999 said:
Do you think we implement VAR well over here?Red_in_SE8 said:I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.
Worth pointing out that football is a lot quicker over here than the continent.
THEY are the problem. It has always been the case.
Do people forget before VAR that it was introduced because the refs were so bad in this country.
Remember the World Cup when it was first introduced? No issues whatsoever, couple of seconds to make a decision and that was it. No drama at all.
The lack of respect for referees in the game is just mirrored in the behaviour of players.
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Why did VAR in the world cup initially work so well?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
You sound like a TV pundit - everyone criticises referees and presumably they are all experts who can do a better job. Refs like players are human and make mistakes - some refs are better than others.SELR_addicks said:
The referees are far far far far worse.cafc999 said:
Do you think we implement VAR well over here?Red_in_SE8 said:I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.
Worth pointing out that football is a lot quicker over here than the continent.
THEY are the problem. It has always been the case.
Do people forget before VAR that it was introduced because the refs were so bad in this country.
Remember the World Cup when it was first introduced? No issues whatsoever, couple of seconds to make a decision and that was it. No drama at all.
The lack of respect for referees in the game is just mirrored in the behaviour of players.
Because the best referees in the world were running it.
The referees in the Premier League clearly can't cope with it.0 -
Big fan of VAR. But I’m increasingly of the opinion that because there is no way to remove human error from the decision making processes entirely, there should be a review of the scope of VAR.
It needs to be retained to eliminate the howlers. No one wants to see the wrong man sent off, or a country cheated out of WC qualifying due to a blatant handball (Henry v Ireland).
At the same time, everyone needs to get comfortable with the idea that we will never be able to get 100% of decisions correct and trying to be scientific about it to get there just isn’t feasible.First point of order. Get rid of the geometry for offside. If the naked eye doesn’t see enough evidence to clearly overturn an on field decision within a short timeframe, that on field decision stands.6 -
You are still comparing that tournament to the premier league...they are completely different. You know thatSELR_addicks said:
Why did VAR in the world cup initially work so well?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
You sound like a TV pundit - everyone criticises referees and presumably they are all experts who can do a better job. Refs like players are human and make mistakes - some refs are better than others.SELR_addicks said:
The referees are far far far far worse.cafc999 said:
Do you think we implement VAR well over here?Red_in_SE8 said:I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.
Worth pointing out that football is a lot quicker over here than the continent.
THEY are the problem. It has always been the case.
Do people forget before VAR that it was introduced because the refs were so bad in this country.
Remember the World Cup when it was first introduced? No issues whatsoever, couple of seconds to make a decision and that was it. No drama at all.
The lack of respect for referees in the game is just mirrored in the behaviour of players.
Because the best referees in the world were running it.
The referees in the Premier League clearly can't cope with it.2 -
I thought there was a massive flaw when VAR was introduced in the World Cup that was exposed a few times. That is the ref made a decision and then he got a voice in his ear saying you might want to look at that again. The mere fact that it happened in this way, I believe, put pressure on the ref to reverse his decision, when I thought the initial one was a better one. The problem is, and the football authorities have failed to grasp this IMO, that so many decisions require interpretation with or without VAR. It means VAR can't be perfect and when that is accepted it will probably be implemented better.0
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Exactly - seems a pointless comparison.cafc999 said:
You are still comparing that tournament to the premier league...they are completely different. You know thatSELR_addicks said:
Why did VAR in the world cup initially work so well?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
You sound like a TV pundit - everyone criticises referees and presumably they are all experts who can do a better job. Refs like players are human and make mistakes - some refs are better than others.SELR_addicks said:
The referees are far far far far worse.cafc999 said:
Do you think we implement VAR well over here?Red_in_SE8 said:I watched La Liga over the last 2 weeks of the season where the cameras were going to different grounds as incidents happened. The number of times the officials were able to use VAR to correct initially incorrect or confirm what seemed initially dubious decisions in matches affecting relegation and the eventual La Liga champions, in my eyes, rendered all the arguments against VAR a total nonsense. And it did not spoil my enjoyment of the football one iota.
Worth pointing out that football is a lot quicker over here than the continent.
THEY are the problem. It has always been the case.
Do people forget before VAR that it was introduced because the refs were so bad in this country.
Remember the World Cup when it was first introduced? No issues whatsoever, couple of seconds to make a decision and that was it. No drama at all.
The lack of respect for referees in the game is just mirrored in the behaviour of players.
Because the best referees in the world were running it.
The referees in the Premier League clearly can't cope with it.
If we are going to use VAR its use needs to improve - we're not suddenly going to get a new set of referees. There must be some leagues that are leading the way.0
