No disrespect to Doucher, who I'm sure is just repeating what he's heard, but I just can't see it being true. If it had happened, I'm pretty sure JJ wouldn't stand for it, the player revolt would've got back to TS & Bowyer would be long gone by now.
I know this to be 100% true.
What to be 100% true ?
That Bowyer said some incredibly harsh things to JW in front of the entire squad, bringing him to tears. I know several of the more senior pros stepped in and have those same pros have since confirmed that the level of respect the players have for LB is at an all time low.
No disrespect to Doucher, who I'm sure is just repeating what he's heard, but I just can't see it being true. If it had happened, I'm pretty sure JJ wouldn't stand for it, the player revolt would've got back to TS & Bowyer would be long gone by now.
I know this to be 100% true.
What to be 100% true ?
That Bowyer said some incredibly harsh things to JW in front of the entire squad, bringing him to tears. I know several of the more senior pros stepped in and have those same pros have since confirmed that the level of respect the players have for LB is at an all time low.
I'm afraid to say a rip roaring 0-1 win at Wigan will prove this is all bullshit
If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.
admitted its strange for a pro footballer to start crying but this is what i'm told and that was the tipping point - for me, he threw a lot of players under the bus and publicly dug players out last year and this before that but this was the final straw apparently - just his crap tactics have been enough for me.
Why is it strange for a man, a young man, to cry in an emotional charged situation?
coz my natural reaction would be to tell somebody who was digging me out to fuck off and if they carried on it would get physical - crying would be the last thing i would do
That doesn't make it strange though does it. Your natural reaction doesn't mean it should be everyone else's.
ok - i've been in a lot of football changing rooms and i haven't seen it happen since i was about 10 years old
No disrespect to Doucher, who I'm sure is just repeating what he's heard, but I just can't see it being true. If it had happened, I'm pretty sure JJ wouldn't stand for it, the player revolt would've got back to TS & Bowyer would be long gone by now.
I know this to be 100% true.
What to be 100% true ?
That Bowyer said some incredibly harsh things to JW in front of the entire squad, bringing him to tears. I know several of the more senior pros stepped in and have those same pros have since confirmed that the level of respect the players have for LB is at an all time low.
Appreciate you sharing this. Disappointing that they haven’t taken it further though. Fine to share what happens in the dressing room and training ground with fans, but not willing to call out possible bullying to those higher than bowyer.
It's clear to me that Sandgaard needs some presense at boardroom level on a day to day basis. And I'm not talking on the end of a phone at 4AM 5000 miles away.
One man's straight talking is another man's bullying. No idea what has gone on or what has been said to who, but we know Bowyer doesn't really sugar coat things, he speaks his mind, even in interviews, and he;s not really too bothered if it ruffles a few feathers. He's quite old school in that respect - entirely possible he's been giving what he probably feels are a few home s truths to players and some of them maybe don't appreciate the way the message is being delivered. Possibly a bit of a generational divide there too - it's a generalization, but people over a certain age always tend to think people under a certain age are a bit soft.
I don't believe Bowyer is a bully or is out to deliberately upset or belittle anyone, but entirely possible that he's too blunt for some people and that his manner has upset some.
Williams may also have had his own problems.
The players putting this out into the public arena need to have a good look at themselves. I think it is a despicable thing to do. Williams seems to be liked by everyone and deserves so much better from his old team mates. Makes him sound weak and I don’t think he is. I have to say that if I had learnt something like this from a player I would not be putting it out there. Ironic that Bowyer is being accused of bullying, and is now being bullied.
That's it. If you want an illustration of my point about delusional fans, here you go.
What it is important to say is that sometimes people snap and it isn't their intention to feed information.
I think J Block and myself have not given the detail of what we know (from different players and different sources) or which player is responsible. But obviously, if you know something you believe is wrong it is hard to support the people/person you think are in the wrong. Especially when it isn't a massive leap to predict and then see the damage it is doing.
You really are arrogant aren’t you. Delusional my arse. So we are expected to believe everything you say because you say it.
How did he make him cry? Why did he make him cry? Did he mean to make him cry? Why has it taken over a month to come out? Why are the circumstances not out here? We are expected to believe that these poor victimised players are so desperate that they are at snapping point and need to unload themselves to a couple of fans. They are members of the players Union FFS.
They should stand up for themselves or take matters up via the management line - like everyone else in work has to do. That is the right way to do things. Not creeping behind peoples backs and making unsubstantiated allegations. Their behaviour is worse.
The last claim was that Bowyer does not discuss tactics with players. Believing that is delusional. Pure fantasy. There is so much to criticise on team selection, formations and results, but these underhand snide comments are below contempt.
No disrespect to Doucher, who I'm sure is just repeating what he's heard, but I just can't see it being true. If it had happened, I'm pretty sure JJ wouldn't stand for it, the player revolt would've got back to TS & Bowyer would be long gone by now.
I know this to be 100% true.
What to be 100% true ?
That Bowyer said some incredibly harsh things to JW in front of the entire squad, bringing him to tears. I know several of the more senior pros stepped in and have those same pros have since confirmed that the level of respect the players have for LB is at an all time low.
Just out of interest mate, how come you kept this to yourself until now? Don’t have to answer and I believe you’ve been told this, but I’m sure that’s what you’ll get asked a lot.
No disrespect to Doucher, who I'm sure is just repeating what he's heard, but I just can't see it being true. If it had happened, I'm pretty sure JJ wouldn't stand for it, the player revolt would've got back to TS & Bowyer would be long gone by now.
I know this to be 100% true.
What to be 100% true ?
That Bowyer said some incredibly harsh things to JW in front of the entire squad, bringing him to tears. I know several of the more senior pros stepped in and have those same pros have since confirmed that the level of respect the players have for LB is at an all time low.
Just out of interest mate, how come you kept this to yourself until now? Don’t have to answer and I believe you’ve been told this, but I’m sure that’s what you’ll get asked a lot.
I don’t tend to pass on anything I hear as it comes directly from a close friend who happened to be in the room on this particular occasion. As others had already told most of the story I thought I would give the full picture.
One man's straight talking is another man's bullying. No idea what has gone on or what has been said to who, but we know Bowyer doesn't really sugar coat things, he speaks his mind, even in interviews, and he;s not really too bothered if it ruffles a few feathers. He's quite old school in that respect - entirely possible he's been giving what he probably feels are a few home s truths to players and some of them maybe don't appreciate the way the message is being delivered. Possibly a bit of a generational divide there too - it's a generalization, but people over a certain age always tend to think people under a certain age are a bit soft.
I don't believe Bowyer is a bully or is out to deliberately upset or belittle anyone, but entirely possible that he's too blunt for some people and that his manner has upset some.
Williams may also have had his own problems.
The players putting this out into the public arena need to have a good look at themselves. I think it is a despicable thing to do. Williams seems to be liked by everyone and deserves so much better from his old team mates. Makes him sound weak and I don’t think he is. I have to say that if I had learnt something like this from a player I would not be putting it out there. Ironic that Bowyer is being accused of bullying, and is now being bullied.
That's it. If you want an illustration of my point about delusional fans, here you go.
What it is important to say is that sometimes people snap and it isn't their intention to feed information.
I think J Block and myself have not given the detail of what we know (from different players and different sources) or which player is responsible. But obviously, if you know something you believe is wrong it is hard to support the people/person you think are in the wrong. Especially when it isn't a massive leap to predict and then see the damage it is doing.
You really are arrogant aren’t you. Delusional my arse. So we are expected to believe everything you say because you say it.
How did he make him cry? Why did he make him cry? Did he mean to make him cry? Why has it taken over a month to come out? Why are the circumstances not out here? We are expected to believe that these poor victimised players are so desperate that they are at snapping point and need to unload themselves to a couple of fans. They are members of the players Union FFS.
They should stand up for themselves or take matters up via the management line - like everyone else in work has to do. That is the right way to do things. Not creeping behind peoples backs and making unsubstantiated allegations. Their behaviour is worse.
The last claim was that Bowyer does not discuss tactics with players. Believing that is delusional. Pure fantasy. There is so much to criticise on team selection, formations and results, but these underhand snide comments are below contempt.
Plenty of good people suffer bullying. Plenty of good people witness bullying yet nothing changes. If only it was as simple as you make it out. I’ve worked in a setting where a whole group, ten or more were the subject of bullying. It’s nowhere near as straightforward confronting a bully as you might think.
One man's straight talking is another man's bullying. No idea what has gone on or what has been said to who, but we know Bowyer doesn't really sugar coat things, he speaks his mind, even in interviews, and he;s not really too bothered if it ruffles a few feathers. He's quite old school in that respect - entirely possible he's been giving what he probably feels are a few home s truths to players and some of them maybe don't appreciate the way the message is being delivered. Possibly a bit of a generational divide there too - it's a generalization, but people over a certain age always tend to think people under a certain age are a bit soft.
I don't believe Bowyer is a bully or is out to deliberately upset or belittle anyone, but entirely possible that he's too blunt for some people and that his manner has upset some.
Williams may also have had his own problems.
The players putting this out into the public arena need to have a good look at themselves. I think it is a despicable thing to do. Williams seems to be liked by everyone and deserves so much better from his old team mates. Makes him sound weak and I don’t think he is. I have to say that if I had learnt something like this from a player I would not be putting it out there. Ironic that Bowyer is being accused of bullying, and is now being bullied.
That's it. If you want an illustration of my point about delusional fans, here you go.
What it is important to say is that sometimes people snap and it isn't their intention to feed information.
I think J Block and myself have not given the detail of what we know (from different players and different sources) or which player is responsible. But obviously, if you know something you believe is wrong it is hard to support the people/person you think are in the wrong. Especially when it isn't a massive leap to predict and then see the damage it is doing.
You really are arrogant aren’t you. Delusional my arse. So we are expected to believe everything you say because you say it.
How did he make him cry? Why did he make him cry? Did he mean to make him cry? Why has it taken over a month to come out? Why are the circumstances not out here? We are expected to believe that these poor victimised players are so desperate that they are at snapping point and need to unload themselves to a couple of fans. They are members of the players Union FFS.
They should stand up for themselves or take matters up via the management line - like everyone else in work has to do. That is the right way to do things. Not creeping behind peoples backs and making unsubstantiated allegations. Their behaviour is worse.
The last claim was that Bowyer does not discuss tactics with players. Believing that is delusional. Pure fantasy. There is so much to criticise on team selection, formations and results, but these underhand snide comments are below contempt.
if they were fabricatede, you would be right, but as usual, you're wrong
Did people bump into them at Euston or go there specifically to ‘meet’ them?
Bit strange if it’s the latter.
Are you new to Charlton, mate?! They were obviously at Euston collecting train numbers, and bumped into the squad as they were boarding the Class 390 Pendolino to Glasgow Central via Wigan North Western. Proper Charlton.
If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.
admitted its strange for a pro footballer to start crying but this is what i'm told and that was the tipping point - for me, he threw a lot of players under the bus and publicly dug players out last year and this before that but this was the final straw apparently - just his crap tactics have been enough for me.
Why is it strange for a man, a young man, to cry in an emotional charged situation?
coz my natural reaction would be to tell somebody who was digging me out to fuck off and if they carried on it would get physical - crying would be the last thing i would do
That doesn't make it strange though does it. Your natural reaction doesn't mean it should be everyone else's.
ok - i've been in a lot of football changing rooms and i haven't seen it happen since i was about 10 years old
That doesn't make it right or wrong though. I am not saying players shouldn't receive criticism. I was a shit manager (not football) before I learnt you can't speak to everyone the same way, if you want to get the best out of them.
If you were the manager would you deliver your feedback to Williams, Inniss, Millar and Pratley (as random examples) in exactly the same way?
One man's straight talking is another man's bullying. No idea what has gone on or what has been said to who, but we know Bowyer doesn't really sugar coat things, he speaks his mind, even in interviews, and he;s not really too bothered if it ruffles a few feathers. He's quite old school in that respect - entirely possible he's been giving what he probably feels are a few home s truths to players and some of them maybe don't appreciate the way the message is being delivered. Possibly a bit of a generational divide there too - it's a generalization, but people over a certain age always tend to think people under a certain age are a bit soft.
I don't believe Bowyer is a bully or is out to deliberately upset or belittle anyone, but entirely possible that he's too blunt for some people and that his manner has upset some.
Williams may also have had his own problems.
The players putting this out into the public arena need to have a good look at themselves. I think it is a despicable thing to do. Williams seems to be liked by everyone and deserves so much better from his old team mates. Makes him sound weak and I don’t think he is. I have to say that if I had learnt something like this from a player I would not be putting it out there. Ironic that Bowyer is being accused of bullying, and is now being bullied.
That's it. If you want an illustration of my point about delusional fans, here you go.
What it is important to say is that sometimes people snap and it isn't their intention to feed information.
I think J Block and myself have not given the detail of what we know (from different players and different sources) or which player is responsible. But obviously, if you know something you believe is wrong it is hard to support the people/person you think are in the wrong. Especially when it isn't a massive leap to predict and then see the damage it is doing.
You really are arrogant aren’t you. Delusional my arse. So we are expected to believe everything you say because you say it.
How did he make him cry? Why did he make him cry? Did he mean to make him cry? Why has it taken over a month to come out? Why are the circumstances not out here? We are expected to believe that these poor victimised players are so desperate that they are at snapping point and need to unload themselves to a couple of fans. They are members of the players Union FFS.
They should stand up for themselves or take matters up via the management line - like everyone else in work has to do. That is the right way to do things. Not creeping behind peoples backs and making unsubstantiated allegations. Their behaviour is worse.
The last claim was that Bowyer does not discuss tactics with players. Believing that is delusional. Pure fantasy. There is so much to criticise on team selection, formations and results, but these underhand snide comments are below contempt.
No disrespect to Doucher, who I'm sure is just repeating what he's heard, but I just can't see it being true. If it had happened, I'm pretty sure JJ wouldn't stand for it, the player revolt would've got back to TS & Bowyer would be long gone by now.
I know this to be 100% true.
What to be 100% true ?
That Bowyer said some incredibly harsh things to JW in front of the entire squad, bringing him to tears. I know several of the more senior pros stepped in and have those same pros have since confirmed that the level of respect the players have for LB is at an all time low.
Just out of interest mate, how come you kept this to yourself until now? Don’t have to answer and I believe you’ve been told this, but I’m sure that’s what you’ll get asked a lot.
I don’t tend to pass on anything I hear as it comes directly from a close friend who happened to be in the room on this particular occasion. As others had already told most of the story I thought I would give the full picture.
One man's straight talking is another man's bullying. No idea what has gone on or what has been said to who, but we know Bowyer doesn't really sugar coat things, he speaks his mind, even in interviews, and he;s not really too bothered if it ruffles a few feathers. He's quite old school in that respect - entirely possible he's been giving what he probably feels are a few home s truths to players and some of them maybe don't appreciate the way the message is being delivered. Possibly a bit of a generational divide there too - it's a generalization, but people over a certain age always tend to think people under a certain age are a bit soft.
I don't believe Bowyer is a bully or is out to deliberately upset or belittle anyone, but entirely possible that he's too blunt for some people and that his manner has upset some.
Williams may also have had his own problems.
The players putting this out into the public arena need to have a good look at themselves. I think it is a despicable thing to do. Williams seems to be liked by everyone and deserves so much better from his old team mates. Makes him sound weak and I don’t think he is. I have to say that if I had learnt something like this from a player I would not be putting it out there. Ironic that Bowyer is being accused of bullying, and is now being bullied.
That's it. If you want an illustration of my point about delusional fans, here you go.
What it is important to say is that sometimes people snap and it isn't their intention to feed information.
I think J Block and myself have not given the detail of what we know (from different players and different sources) or which player is responsible. But obviously, if you know something you believe is wrong it is hard to support the people/person you think are in the wrong. Especially when it isn't a massive leap to predict and then see the damage it is doing.
You really are arrogant aren’t you. Delusional my arse. So we are expected to believe everything you say because you say it.
How did he make him cry? Why did he make him cry? Did he mean to make him cry? Why has it taken over a month to come out? Why are the circumstances not out here? We are expected to believe that these poor victimised players are so desperate that they are at snapping point and need to unload themselves to a couple of fans. They are members of the players Union FFS.
They should stand up for themselves or take matters up via the management line - like everyone else in work has to do. That is the right way to do things. Not creeping behind peoples backs and making unsubstantiated allegations. Their behaviour is worse.
The last claim was that Bowyer does not discuss tactics with players. Believing that is delusional. Pure fantasy. There is so much to criticise on team selection, formations and results, but these underhand snide comments are below contempt.
if they were fabricatede, you would be right, but as usual, you're wrong
It does not matter if they are true. Don’t you get it?
We all have pseudonyms on here, we don't know who each person is or the people that have given them information about the team. It is all innuendo, no real names just unsubstantiated rumour. I don't know what LB said or didn't say, I don't know who said any of it as they don't use their real names. All this leaves a bad taste and denigrates this site. If you know something then have the balls to be honest and say who you are, who told you or shut up!
We all have pseudonyms on here, we don't know who each person is or the people that have given them information about the team. It is all innuendo, no real names just unsubstantiated rumour. I don't know what LB said or didn't say, I don't know who said any of it as they don't use their real names. All this leaves a bad taste and denigrates this site. If you know something then have the balls to be honest and say who you are, who told you or shut up!
If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.
admitted its strange for a pro footballer to start crying but this is what i'm told and that was the tipping point - for me, he threw a lot of players under the bus and publicly dug players out last year and this before that but this was the final straw apparently - just his crap tactics have been enough for me.
Why is it strange for a man, a young man, to cry in an emotional charged situation?
coz my natural reaction would be to tell somebody who was digging me out to fuck off and if they carried on it would get physical - crying would be the last thing i would do
That doesn't make it strange though does it. Your natural reaction doesn't mean it should be everyone else's.
ok - i've been in a lot of football changing rooms and i haven't seen it happen since i was about 10 years old
That doesn't make it right or wrong though. I am not saying players shouldn't receive criticism. I was a shit manager (not football) before I learnt you can't speak to everyone the same way, if you want to get the best out of them.
If you were the manager would you deliver your feedback to Williams, Inniss, Millar and Pratley (as random examples) in exactly the same way?
no, but lets not have an unnecessary argument - if you want me to say that a grown man crying during an argument at work is the norm then i'm afraid i'm not going to even if it would make u feel better
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We are expected to believe that these poor victimised players are so desperate that they are at snapping point and need to unload themselves to a couple of fans. They are members of the players Union FFS.
There is so much to criticise on team selection, formations and results, but these underhand snide comments are below contempt.
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If you were the manager would you deliver your feedback to Williams, Inniss, Millar and Pratley (as random examples) in exactly the same way?
It is all innuendo, no real names just unsubstantiated rumour. I don't know what LB said or didn't say, I don't know who said any of it as they don't use their real names. All this leaves a bad taste and denigrates this site.
If you know something then have the balls to be honest and say who you are, who told you or shut up!
We’ve all seen how Williams, along with a few others, was made a scapegoat for his own (Bowyers) abysmal tactical decisions.
Williams probably felt like he couldn’t do anything right in Bowyers eyes.
I’m just disappointed the players haven’t gone further with this.