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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Paul Lambert sacked, you'd expect them to appoint Paul Cook now. Be interesting to see how he does.0
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That's a bit of a kick in the ballscafcfan1990 said:Paul Lambert sacked, you'd expect them to appoint Paul Cook now. Be interesting to see how he does.0 -
I think we should be aiming higher and better than Cook.3
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Certainly not disagreeing, but who would you have in mind? I’d say Cook is one of the better potential options.ShootersHillGuru said:I think we should be aiming higher and better than Cook.7 -
I think he was the best unemployed manager out there (for us). I’m sure Roddy will have a few in mind.Gravesend_Addick said:
That's a bit of a kick in the ballscafcfan1990 said:Paul Lambert sacked, you'd expect them to appoint Paul Cook now. Be interesting to see how he does.0 -
Plenty of managers out there. Preferably one that has managed higher and had success above league one. Cook hasn’t as far as I know.cafc_harry said:
Certainly not disagreeing, but who would you have in mind? I’d say Cook is one of the better potential options.ShootersHillGuru said:I think we should be aiming higher and better than Cook.0 -
For what reason? At best we’re probably going to finish mid table this season. Who is a better realistic option than someone with 3 promotions in the last 8 years (one in our league) and one relegation (because of a points deduction)?ShootersHillGuru said:I think we should be aiming higher and better than Cook.
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Like?ShootersHillGuru said:
Plenty of managers out there. Preferably one that has managed higher and had success above league one. Cook hasn’t as far as I know.cafc_harry said:
Certainly not disagreeing, but who would you have in mind? I’d say Cook is one of the better potential options.ShootersHillGuru said:I think we should be aiming higher and better than Cook.3 -
It’s an interesting one that, realistically you get someone who’s managed higher and you would think the only reason they’ve gone for a league one club is they’ve cocked up somewhere and they need the move down. People not impressed.ShootersHillGuru said:
Plenty of managers out there. Preferably one that has managed higher and had success above league one. Cook hasn’t as far as I know.cafc_harry said:
Certainly not disagreeing, but who would you have in mind? I’d say Cook is one of the better potential options.ShootersHillGuru said:I think we should be aiming higher and better than Cook.
Get a more up and coming manager who hasn’t gone above league 1 and people say they want experience.
Realistically Paul Cook is a cracking appointment for any league 1 club. That said I don’t consider him being the one and only option so I don’t feel we’ve ‘missed out’.0 -
Cook isn’t the answer, depends what your aspirations for the club are, other then the scalp of the current manager7
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Why not? A manager with a track record of promotions. Very unlucky to have a Championship relegation on his CV (admittedly Bowyer is the same but they got enough points to stay up, we didn’t).Rothko said:Cook isn’t the answer, depends what your aspirations for the club are, other then the scalp of the current managerMy only aspiration at the minute is to get out this league (up not down). I think it’s wishful thinking to believe we can attract a manager who has a proven record at getting a club to the Premier League. Can’t think of one realistic option.3 -
Without the 12 point deduction, Wigan would have finished 13th last season
He's won the L2 title with Chesterfield and Pompey, and the L1 title with Wigan
That's a cracking track record for a potential L1 manager29 -
Funny isn't it? the vitriol extended to the manager, whilst the overpaid pampered luvvies forced to put the kit on once or twice a week can't be arsed to compete.
There is something wrotten in the squad or possibly stirring by some of the newbies in the background but its not Bowyer and Jacko, they haven't suddenly become incapable.
You can ask players to play a certain way or formation but once on the pitch its down to them to play. As Bows said, you can't force them to do anything.
We need a clear out and rebuild like the CP era.
Bowyer is trying..............the Players aren't.6 -
Absolutely. I think a few are looking for someone who has done better at Championship level. Personally I think that’s unrealistic to think we can attract someone like that, but also not the immediate concern. We don’t need to be worrying about someone getting us to the Championship play offs, League 1 play offs would do!killerandflash said:Without the 12 point deduction, Wigan would have finished 13th last season
He's won the L2 title with Chesterfield and Pompey, and the L1 title with Wigan
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Finished 18th in his first year in the Championshipkillerandflash said:Without the 12 point deduction, Wigan would have finished 13th last season
He's won the L2 title with Chesterfield and Pompey, and the L1 title with Wigan
That's a cracking track record for a potential L1 manager
Wigan did well to stick by him as he had a shocking start to the season last year... Five wins in this period
Two defeats after it... starting from the 28th January
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That is pretty much spot on for me.Cafc43v3r said:http://www.votvonline.com/home/the-2020-21-blogs/28-2-bowyer-unable-to-hold-back-the-tide-of-defeat/
More "short sighted and intellectually challenged" comment here
. Hard to argue with a single word of it.
I would go as far as saying its very well reasoned and balanced?2 -
Bowyer or no Bowyer I was very disappointed when we appointed a technical director.
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I agree in a sense but who else out of a job would be a good choice? I’d like us to aim higher and at least approach Howe and put TS vision to him. Alternatively we approach someone in a job. No one I really fancy in League One and I’m not well up on who is doing well in the Championship and if they are at a top eight Club would they be interested? Then we are on to either a tried and trusted option, Curbs or Powell, or a punt at someone with experience as a number two but wants a shot at a top job themselves, ie John Terry, Duncan Ferguson etc.ShootersHillGuru said:I think we should be aiming higher and better than Cook.0 -
Please not John Terry, I’d really struggle to get behind that dickhead. I like Duncan Ferguson, I think he’s enjoying it at Everton though.10
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I was using him as an example, didn’t say I wanted him. Must be plenty of experienced assistants at both PL and Championship clubs who’d be interested.cafcfan1990 said:Please not John Terry, I’d really struggle to get behind that dickhead. I like Duncan Ferguson, I think he’s enjoying it at Everton though.0 - Sponsored links:
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Cook smacks me as a slightly better Robinson, and not the man you would see taking the club through two promotions.
Just not convinced, sorry about that3 -
I have little confidence we'd be able to attract a manager capable of taking us to the Prem. Not a proven one anyway, of course a punt like Lowe could but you couldn't have any confidence in it.Rothko said:Cook smacks me as a slightly better Robinson, and not the man you would see taking the club through two promotions.
Just not convinced, sorry about that
From what I've read about Cook and his preference to stick to a certain formation I can see a comparison with someone like Robinson. But you can't argue with the bloke's ability to get teams promoted, it's factual.3 -
I don't think anyone is really looking for this appointment of manager to take us to the Premier League? And would be mental to expect that from anyone if they were. Was possible about 10 years ago maybe but there is so much money in the Championship now you can't do what Wolves/Southampton etc did when they ended up in League One now. All we need to do is get into the Championship and actually establish ourselves there again, and Cook seems pretty much the ideal candidate for that? Can start to dream bigger once we are in the mixer.1
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I think some are. Rothko mentioned a manager overseeing two promotions and others have alluded to getting a proven Championship manager. I agree with you, we need to get out of League 1 and then worry about taking the next step. Dreaming of the prem when we are sliding towards League 2 is mental.hudson-son-son said:I don't think anyone is really looking for this appointment of manager to take us to the Premier League? And would be mental to expect that from anyone if they were. Was possible about 10 years ago maybe but there is so much money in the Championship now you can't do what Wolves/Southampton etc did when they ended up in League One now. All we need to do is get into the Championship and actually establish ourselves there again, and Cook seems pretty much the ideal candidate for that? Can start to dream bigger once we are in the mixer.8 -
I'd much rather Cook than the Cowley brothersRothko said:Cook smacks me as a slightly better Robinson, and not the man you would see taking the club through two promotions.
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What about Paul Lambert then
He took Norwich from the 3rd tier to the Premier league, and kept them there
Nigle Atkins got back to back promotions then got sacked at Southampton.
I assume no one would want either of them or seriously thinks we can get Eddie Howe?
The pool of mangers who have taken clubs from the 3rd tier to the Premier league, and kept them there, is so small it might as well not exist.
The manager for next season, be it Bowyer or someone else has got to get us into the championship and keep us there. Then you can think about philosophy and cultures.
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Did you expect Bowyer to be promotion manager? Or just a caretaker til we found someone better?Rothko said:Cook smacks me as a slightly better Robinson, and not the man you would see taking the club through two promotions.
Just not convinced, sorry about that
Managers can unexpectedly excel so long as they have their players onside and believing in themselves.
Keep telling them they're not good enough or overachieving and they might start to believe it.1 -
My biggest problem about next season is there seems to be a big gap now in the Championship to div 1,three good teams coming down by the looks of it1
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2 good teams and Wycombe.doronron said:My biggest problem about next season is there seems to be a big gap now in the Championship to div 1,three good teams coming down by the looks of it
But you also have Sunderland who will be a force next season, great manager and a big budget to work with.
The more we delay the inevitable the harder things will get for us.3 -
Great manager? HmmmJ BLOCK said:
2 good teams and Wycombe.doronron said:My biggest problem about next season is there seems to be a big gap now in the Championship to div 1,three good teams coming down by the looks of it
But you also have Sunderland who will be a force next season, great manager and a big budget to work with.
The more we delay the inevitable the harder things will get for us.0
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