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Has Bowyer lost it?
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No but. Yes to the form.Chunes said:Can anyone think of a manager who turned a run of form and an unmotivated team like this around? If he is staying, I'd at least like to give myself some hope.
But no to everything else. I don't think I have ever seen a manager recover from slagging the fans, "punishment subs" (for want of a better description) and publicly slagging off the players. To me the form/results are a direct result of everything else, not the other way round.
I think including positional changes we made 20 changes over 2 games! That's 2 league games, no micky mouse cup, no resting for a massive mid week game. That is not normal.6 -
You’ve summed it up well there. I’m surprised none of the players have chinned him. He hates it when a player that he has previously dug out proves him wrong. He has done some despicable things to players - Maddison, Williams and Morgan to name but a few. He is an absolute joke of a manager.cafcsinger said:I've had enough of him. Bowyer thinks he's billy big bollocks, reality is he's a bully who has lost the plot over the last few months. Pull the trigger Sandgaard17 -
Correct. By all means tear in to players (if justified) but do it behind closed doors. He has no man management skills whatsoever - I can’t for one minute believe that he will put his arm around a player and give them confidence when things go wrong. Managers stood by him as a player and gave him a bit of love. He has played under some good managers and looks like he has learned nothing.ElfsborgAddick said:
Coating players in public is a poor show.cafcfan1990 said:
Doesn’t mean he should stick with Bowyer for the second season just because we didn’t expect to go to up in the first.ElfsborgAddick said:
Sandgaard said Bowyer was the man for the job, and he wanted promotion in two seasons.MuttleyCAFC said:
Not if he hasn't assured him of such. Being a man of principle is not the same thing as being a fool.ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.You have to have the confidence that he’s the right man for the job. The slagging off of players, the recruitment, team selections and tactics are increasingly showing that just he’s not.I’m seriously starting to dislike him - a shame after the play off season, but he is losing the plot as the days go by.8 -
Doesn't look like he's going does it??
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One thing is clear - he won’t be resigning. Thank fuck Southall didn’t get him to sign that 5 year contract.Gravesend_Addick said:Doesn't look like he's going does it??
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I’m only speculating and to be honest I reckon Bowyer will survive once again, but every chance him and Thomas will ‘have a chat’ on Monday at the start of the work week.0
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What is his thinking?Gravesend_Addick said:Doesn't look like he's going does it??
Really can't understand Sandgaard's thinking here
He’s been very quiet recently.If I had to guess I’d say there are things going on behind the scenes as we speak.1 -
I just can't see why he's still the manager. Every excuse he's come out with comes back to him.
"It's not Bowyer, the players aren't good enough"
- Bowyer signed every single 1 of those players.
"The wage cap has fucked us"
- Every other team in this division had to deal with the wage cap, although I accept other teams were in a better position than us to start with
"We'll be better when our 2 main centre backs are fit"
- 1 of them is back & we're still shite. He had a chance to sign another centre back in January but didn't.
It all comes back to Bowyer!!1 -
TS has been incredibly quiet on Twitter for 24 hours now. No tweets, no likes, no ‘Boom!’ (not that there was anything to Boom! about yesterday), no nothing. To not even say something like “tough game today, we go again Tuesday” (which he normally does) definitely speaks to something being up1
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Why the hell is it still toxic?
2 sides to every story. The fans deserve to know the truth.1 - Sponsored links:
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Whilst I can no longer defend Bowyer's position, I'm absolutely delighted that our new owner isn't trigger happy and doesn't bow to pressure from supporters on social media.Gravesend_Addick said:Doesn't look like he's going does it??
Really can't understand Sandgaard's thinking here
It's very easy to come on here and say that he should sack him immediately, with the hefty payout that entails. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe he's not impressed by any of the available alternatives at the moment. We've almost certainly blown any chance of the play offs and need only 6 or 7 points from our least 15 games to be safe from relegation. Why rush? I'd rather sit through a couple more months of this dross if it means getting a better replacement in the summer, rather than rushing to appoint Cowley or Cook just to gain the short term approval of a proportion of our supporters.17 -
I would still be surprised if he is sacked now. I don't see anything has changed really.
I have a nagging feeling that the 20th of March could be key. If there is no up turn in results we could be right in the brown stuff by then.
Also if there is a slight up turn we will be safe from relegation and a mutual consent about "different directions" or some bollocks could be spun.0 -
Dave2l said:Why the hell is it still toxic?
2 sides to every story. The fans deserve to know the truth.
I actually think the opposite. The fans deserve to not have the internal issues played out in public, actually. We shouldn't be knowing about any of these things, but the manager is airing out his frustrations in public and dropping wicked whispers like a gossip columnist during his interviews. It's not professional, and it's not cool.3 -
He's lost it. Post match interviews increasingly bizarre. Can't see any of them wanting to play for him ever again.
Excuse after excuse. "Not my fault it's the players". Who bought them in Lee? Whose job is it to motivate?
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I don't think anyone could accuse TS of being trigger happy if he sacks Bowyer. He's had plenty of time to turn it around. We've been shit for months!!MrLargo said:
Whilst I can no longer defend Bowyer's position, I'm absolutely delighted that our new owner isn't trigger happy and doesn't bow to pressure from supporters on social media.Gravesend_Addick said:Doesn't look like he's going does it??
Really can't understand Sandgaard's thinking here
It's very easy to come on here and say that he should sack him immediately, with the hefty payout that entails. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe he's not impressed by any of the available alternatives at the moment. We've almost certainly blown any chance of the play offs and need only 6 or 7 points from our least 15 games to be safe from relegation. Why rush? I'd rather sit through a couple more months of this dross if it means getting a better replacement in the summer, rather than rushing to appoint Cowley or Cook just to gain the short term approval of a proportion of our supporters.
A caretaker appointment until then end of the season would be better than putting up with this for another couple of months1 -
Don't trust Bowyer to take a budget given to him in the summer window and build a promotion winning squad. Unless we're going to be offering some of the highest wages in the division, how exactly is he going to convince any new signings to buy into what he wants them to do0
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Yes, the last match related tweet was when we went 1-0 up on Tuesday against Burton. He didn't comment after the Burton match, and said nothing yesterdayBetterCallSaul said:TS has been incredibly quiet on Twitter for 24 hours now. No tweets, no likes, no ‘Boom!’ (not that there was anything to Boom! about yesterday), no nothing. To not even say something like “tough game today, we go again Tuesday” (which he normally does) definitely speaks to something being up
I'd be staggered if he wasn't fuming after the last 4 matches, which against average opponents have delivered just 1 point, especially after the backing Bowyer got in January3 -
I do hope he is not getting disillusioned with all this doubting of his handling this situation by the fans, as you say he would usually post up some sort of reaction, so whatever is happening or not this thread will drag on and on, amazing we have got to 140 pages of too and froBetterCallSaul said:TS has been incredibly quiet on Twitter for 24 hours now. No tweets, no likes, no ‘Boom!’ (not that there was anything to Boom! about yesterday), no nothing. To not even say something like “tough game today, we go again Tuesday” (which he normally does) definitely speaks to something being up0 -
We don’t even know if TS and LB have spoken since Saturday. Perhaps TS is giving Lee space over the weekend to get his head straight for a conversation to be had on Monday. I can’t see Thomas going after Bowyer, in fact I’m confident that provided Lee says the right things then he will be backed.BetterCallSaul said:TS has been incredibly quiet on Twitter for 24 hours now. No tweets, no likes, no ‘Boom!’ (not that there was anything to Boom! about yesterday), no nothing. To not even say something like “tough game today, we go again Tuesday” (which he normally does) definitely speaks to something being up1 -
I wonder if TS is looking at the Wigan game on Wednesday as last chance saloon. They are down the bottom of the form table along with us. He might be thinking a win could be the turn of the tide. May be LB's last game.1
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Could be the case, but, how may last chance saloons can he have, thought Burton was his last chance maybe, but this just drags on and onChunes said:I wonder if TS is looking at the Wigan game on Wednesday as last chance saloon. They are down the bottom of the form table along with us. He might be thinking a win could be the turn of the tide. May be LB's last game.5 -
I've said it before and I'll say it again, TS is not going to sack LB just because fans want him to. TS is a successful businessman in his own right. He has also said, on many occasions, he is a stubborn person. It was his stubbornness that won the day, eventually, against ESI and all their 'hangerons'!! It is TS's money, his plan and his 'right' to decide what he wants to do. For what it's worth I was in the keep LB camp, but after the last two games it's obvious something is not right, or not clicking, so I now think a change is required.However I respect what LB did for the club and I also respect TS decisions, after all I don't have £500 million available to spend on CAFC, if only I did!! We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, so we'll just have to wait and see what transpires. I don't think TS will waste money, but I do think he has patience to ride this current situation, how long for? Who knows?12
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Agree on the trigger happy point.MrLargo said:
Whilst I can no longer defend Bowyer's position, I'm absolutely delighted that our new owner isn't trigger happy and doesn't bow to pressure from supporters on social media.Gravesend_Addick said:Doesn't look like he's going does it??
Really can't understand Sandgaard's thinking here
It's very easy to come on here and say that he should sack him immediately, with the hefty payout that entails. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe he's not impressed by any of the available alternatives at the moment. We've almost certainly blown any chance of the play offs and need only 6 or 7 points from our least 15 games to be safe from relegation. Why rush? I'd rather sit through a couple more months of this dross if it means getting a better replacement in the summer, rather than rushing to appoint Cowley or Cook just to gain the short term approval of a proportion of our supporters.Disagree about sitting through more dross. I think it’s important to let a new manager have a look at the squad before deciding what to do in the summer. However I do take your point about behind the scenes. We don’t know what’s happening and whether we have a summer appointment lined up. If that’s the case I’d still sack Bowyer because he’s creating a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room.1 -
£700k a year 😳 he’s done well to stay
Seriously surely a third tier manager shouldn’t even be on a half of that
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I know Airman said £700k but I believe it is £800k. Mind you if it is £700k plus, the figure either gets rounded up or down.
(For clarity: I was told £400k and was referring to the total value).0 -
What loyalty he has shown through the ESI shitstorm , nothing whatsoever to do with the contract he got out of them11
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The defenition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome: in this case LB and his man management.0
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Genuine question. Are there any other managers in the football leagues that out their players publicly? Does any other manager have that style and does it benefit their team.
Just unsure if this is just bowyers style and no-one elses throughout the football leagues or other managers also do the same.0 -
Imagine how bad it would have been if he had walked last January, we might have got relegated and be in the bottom half of league 1oohaahmortimer said:What loyalty he has shown through the ESI shitstorm , nothing whatsoever to do with the contract he got out of them
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It isn't his style. It is his style when things start to go wrong. A lot of people were genuinely surprised when he was doing a good job as a manager. I assumed he had changed, but clearly aspects of his personality were always there, waiting for a bit of adversity.0
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