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  • Valleysarr
    Valleysarr Posts: 1,097
    Best news I’ve heard in weeks. Absolute disgrace of a player, no ability, no effort and can’t believe he’s got a move. Do one ..
  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,013
    edited January 2021
    blackpool72 said:
    EveshamAddick said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    seth plum said:
    Good luck to the lad.
    It used to be said that Jason Euell had an average first touch but the best second touch in football.
    In my view by contrast and weirdly, Omar has a good first touch but a not great second and third touch.
    If Darren Moore can get Omar to shovel the ball on quickly it might work.
    Good luck to him, he always tried and wouldn't hide.


    If we are honest, he rarely had a second touch, let alone a third. He might have tried his best but it was nowhere near good enough and it's no surprise we have signed two strikers this window and he's moving on. I am really pleased he is at Doncaster.
    He has pretty much showed every where he’s been since Grimsby that League 2 is the pinnacle of his level. I will be amazed if he starts banging in the goals at Accrington as he has yet to do this at a number of clubs now.
    I'd be amazed too.
    He's gone to Doncaster. 
    Funny because I felt something wasn’t right when writing Accrington but then didn’t check!!
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,018
    I liked him, despite quickly coming to the conclusion that he wouldn't provide what we wanted. He was at least a trier and I appreciate that. I wish him well.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,969
    Well I wish Bogle all the best st Doncaster, 
    For me my marking of his performances sums up 
    His performances for Charlton. I gave a 4 once and the rest of the time mainly 6a and the occasional 6.
    Some of that is the style of football Bowyer plays and that did not suit Bogle's 
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    addick1956 said:
    Covered End said:
    addick1956 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    If bogle scores tomorrow, imagine the overaction on here to us getting rid. Especially if we don’t score.

    bogle was not very good for us and I don’t think he will be a first team regular for Doncaster. Although some players are just the wrong fit. We needed a striker late in the window and he needed a club. Probably not a great reason for either party.

    stockley appears to be a bowyer target, bogle was available! Bogle probably always felt like he was the last kid to be picked which didn’t help his confidence.

    doncaster signing him seems to be for the same reason, they need a striker and he needs to move.

    I seriously doubt he will score more than 4 between now and the season end or will score more than stockley or Schwartz. 
    By over reaction you mean that we raise it as a point  to note. 
    It is interesting that he has an 18 month contract  so that suggests forward planning. It also suggests  that either Bogle stuck for the same type of contract as here or Darren Moore rates him morec highly than the ' experts' on here. 
    Experts whose assessments on ability are either ' Brill ' or ' dog shite' and nothing remotely using an  accurate and reasonable description. 
    Addick1956, which qualities do you see In Bogle that make him a top L1 striker/Championship?

    Would you have kept Bogle rather than Aneke, Stockley, Washington or Schwartz as our budget meant one of them had to leave/couldn't be signed. 
    Another smart arsed question.  We will see now he is in a team with a genuine shout on an Automatic place at the moment. 

    I am sure you and I are not as astute as Donnie's manager.  Why Bowyer let him go time will tell.
    Stockley is  not much better above league 2 in goal scoring and Bogle was a reasonable hold up player with 3 assists and a penalty  won which could be a 4th .

    The same smart question was raised of Simon Francis and we know the answer to that one.
    Do you not think we have then? 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,366
    addick1956 said:
    Covered End said:
    addick1956 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    If bogle scores tomorrow, imagine the overaction on here to us getting rid. Especially if we don’t score.

    bogle was not very good for us and I don’t think he will be a first team regular for Doncaster. Although some players are just the wrong fit. We needed a striker late in the window and he needed a club. Probably not a great reason for either party.

    stockley appears to be a bowyer target, bogle was available! Bogle probably always felt like he was the last kid to be picked which didn’t help his confidence.

    doncaster signing him seems to be for the same reason, they need a striker and he needs to move.

    I seriously doubt he will score more than 4 between now and the season end or will score more than stockley or Schwartz. 
    By over reaction you mean that we raise it as a point  to note. 
    It is interesting that he has an 18 month contract  so that suggests forward planning. It also suggests  that either Bogle stuck for the same type of contract as here or Darren Moore rates him morec highly than the ' experts' on here. 
    Experts whose assessments on ability are either ' Brill ' or ' dog shite' and nothing remotely using an  accurate and reasonable description. 
    Addick1956, which qualities do you see In Bogle that make him a top L1 striker/Championship?

    Would you have kept Bogle rather than Aneke, Stockley, Washington or Schwartz as our budget meant one of them had to leave/couldn't be signed. 
    Another smart arsed question.  We will see now he is in a team with a genuine shout on an Automatic place at the moment. 

    I am sure you and I are not as astute as Donnie's manager.  Why Bowyer let him go time will tell.
    Stockley is  not much better above league 2 in goal scoring and Bogle was a reasonable hold up player with 3 assists and a penalty  won which could be a 4th .

    The same smart question was raised of Simon Francis and we know the answer to that one.
    For every Simon Francis there are plenty more that were rightly let go because they weren't good enough or didn't have the right attitude.

    Doncaster have signed him because he was available and affordable under the salary cap. If they were that certain of his ability he'd have been offered more than an 18 month contract.

    Bowyer's let him go because he rates Stockley higher than Bogle. He's aiming for our four strikers to be more than just reasonable hold up players.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    msomerton said:
    Well I wish Bogle all the best st Doncaster, 
    For me my marking of his performances sums up 
    His performances for Charlton. I gave a 4 once and the rest of the time mainly 6a and the occasional 6.
    Some of that is the style of football Bowyer plays and that did not suit Bogle's 
    That's something we rarely take into account with a player's performance ..... some players cope/thrive on that and others struggle with it.

    And if they struggle with it, then they are not what Bowyer needs, and are moved on. 
    As we've seen here with Mr Bogle.


  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,030
    Cafc43v3r said:
    se9addick said:
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    Good luck Omar we’ve had worse players. Don’t think you’ve been treated well at our club.
    That’s football everyone needs to blame someone when things don’t go right it’s the nature of football. 
    No doubt if you score against us we should resign you like the lad Pigott that got slatted after we lost to millwall. Good to see him rise again. 
    Why hasn’t Bogle been treated well by Charlton?

    We gave him a contract when he had no better offers, we gave him quite a lot of game time, it hasn’t worked out so we’ve allowed him to leave before the end of his contract and sign a longer term deal somewhere else.
    Do you know he had no other offers?

    Seems to be the popular assumption now but it hasn't stopped him getting a longer deal at a club higher in the league than us.

    I don't think Big Darren Moore has signed him on scouting reports on his performances for us has he? 
    I said he had no better offers, I know that because he signed for us. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited January 2021
    se9addick said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    se9addick said:
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    Good luck Omar we’ve had worse players. Don’t think you’ve been treated well at our club.
    That’s football everyone needs to blame someone when things don’t go right it’s the nature of football. 
    No doubt if you score against us we should resign you like the lad Pigott that got slatted after we lost to millwall. Good to see him rise again. 
    Why hasn’t Bogle been treated well by Charlton?

    We gave him a contract when he had no better offers, we gave him quite a lot of game time, it hasn’t worked out so we’ve allowed him to leave before the end of his contract and sign a longer term deal somewhere else.
    Do you know he had no other offers?

    Seems to be the popular assumption now but it hasn't stopped him getting a longer deal at a club higher in the league than us.

    I don't think Big Darren Moore has signed him on scouting reports on his performances for us has he? 
    I said he had no better offers, I know that because he signed for us. 
    Fair enough, I made the assumption based on people keep telling me we could only sign people no one else wanted.

    Your take is probably more accurate and we were still in the top 5 or 6 most attractive clubs in our league. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Oggy Red said:
    msomerton said:
    Well I wish Bogle all the best st Doncaster, 
    For me my marking of his performances sums up 
    His performances for Charlton. I gave a 4 once and the rest of the time mainly 6a and the occasional 6.
    Some of that is the style of football Bowyer plays and that did not suit Bogle's 
    That's something we rarely take into account with a player's performance ..... some players cope/thrive on that and others struggle with it.

    And if they struggle with it, then they are not what Bowyer needs, and are moved on. 
    As we've seen here with Mr Bogle.


    You also need to take the role and who their partner is.  I am still convinced Bogle would have looked significantly better with Stockley or Aneke as opposed to Smyth or Washington. 

    I also would be supprised if we ever see Schwartz and Washington as a pair when it can be avoided. 
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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    msomerton said:
    Well I wish Bogle all the best st Doncaster, 
    For me my marking of his performances sums up 
    His performances for Charlton. I gave a 4 once and the rest of the time mainly 6a and the occasional 6.
    Some of that is the style of football Bowyer plays and that did not suit Bogle's 
    That's something we rarely take into account with a player's performance ..... some players cope/thrive on that and others struggle with it.

    And if they struggle with it, then they are not what Bowyer needs, and are moved on. 
    As we've seen here with Mr Bogle.


    You also need to take the role and who their partner is.  I am still convinced Bogle would have looked significantly better with Stockley or Aneke as opposed to Smyth or Washington. 

    I also would be supprised if we ever see Schwartz and Washington as a pair when it can be avoided. 
    Agree with all that, @Cafc43v3r


  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,843
    I'll always wish the best for someone who tried their best but wasn't good enough versus someone who was good enough but didn't try. 

    Hope it goes well for him. Best thing for everyone involved really as well. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,981
    addick1956 said:
    Covered End said:
    addick1956 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    If bogle scores tomorrow, imagine the overaction on here to us getting rid. Especially if we don’t score.

    bogle was not very good for us and I don’t think he will be a first team regular for Doncaster. Although some players are just the wrong fit. We needed a striker late in the window and he needed a club. Probably not a great reason for either party.

    stockley appears to be a bowyer target, bogle was available! Bogle probably always felt like he was the last kid to be picked which didn’t help his confidence.

    doncaster signing him seems to be for the same reason, they need a striker and he needs to move.

    I seriously doubt he will score more than 4 between now and the season end or will score more than stockley or Schwartz. 
    By over reaction you mean that we raise it as a point  to note. 
    It is interesting that he has an 18 month contract  so that suggests forward planning. It also suggests  that either Bogle stuck for the same type of contract as here or Darren Moore rates him morec highly than the ' experts' on here. 
    Experts whose assessments on ability are either ' Brill ' or ' dog shite' and nothing remotely using an  accurate and reasonable description. 
    Addick1956, which qualities do you see In Bogle that make him a top L1 striker/Championship?

    Would you have kept Bogle rather than Aneke, Stockley, Washington or Schwartz as our budget meant one of them had to leave/couldn't be signed. 
    Another smart arsed question.  We will see now he is in a team with a genuine shout on an Automatic place at the moment. 

    I am sure you and I are not as astute as Donnie's manager.  Why Bowyer let him go time will tell.
    Stockley is  not much better above league 2 in goal scoring and Bogle was a reasonable hold up player with 3 assists and a penalty  won which could be a 4th .

    The same smart question was raised of Simon Francis and we know the answer to that one.
    I presume you agreed with letting Bogle go as you haven't named your preferred alternative?
    It's peculiar how someone gives the impression of disagreeing with the majority, but when asked to explain they actually appear to agree.
  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 11,770
    From what I saw of Bogle in a Charlton shirt I didn't rate him at all. I've got no idea if he would have been better with this partner or that partner but I just felt L1 is at least a level or two above his standard. Good luck at Donnie Bogle but I don't rate you at all. You tried very hard but just didn't have the required quality needed at L1 level.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,877
    Covered End said:
    Covered End said:
    addick1956 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    If bogle scores tomorrow, imagine the overaction on here to us getting rid. Especially if we don’t score.

    bogle was not very good for us and I don’t think he will be a first team regular for Doncaster. Although some players are just the wrong fit. We needed a striker late in the window and he needed a club. Probably not a great reason for either party.

    stockley appears to be a bowyer target, bogle was available! Bogle probably always felt like he was the last kid to be picked which didn’t help his confidence.

    doncaster signing him seems to be for the same reason, they need a striker and he needs to move.

    I seriously doubt he will score more than 4 between now and the season end or will score more than stockley or Schwartz. 
    By over reaction you mean that we raise it as a point  to note. 
    It is interesting that he has an 18 month contract  so that suggests forward planning. It also suggests  that either Bogle stuck for the same type of contract as here or Darren Moore rates him morec highly than the ' experts' on here. 
    Experts whose assessments on ability are either ' Brill ' or ' dog shite' and nothing remotely using an  accurate and reasonable description. 
    Addick1956, which qualities do you see In Bogle that make him a top L1 striker/Championship?

    Would you have kept Bogle rather than Aneke, Stockley, Washington or Schwartz as our budget meant one of them had to leave/couldn't be signed. 
    Addick1956, your defence of Bogle seemed to disappear, when I asked you the above question. 
    Same when I asked the question earlier on the week
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,877
    addick1956 said:
    Covered End said:
    addick1956 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    If bogle scores tomorrow, imagine the overaction on here to us getting rid. Especially if we don’t score.

    bogle was not very good for us and I don’t think he will be a first team regular for Doncaster. Although some players are just the wrong fit. We needed a striker late in the window and he needed a club. Probably not a great reason for either party.

    stockley appears to be a bowyer target, bogle was available! Bogle probably always felt like he was the last kid to be picked which didn’t help his confidence.

    doncaster signing him seems to be for the same reason, they need a striker and he needs to move.

    I seriously doubt he will score more than 4 between now and the season end or will score more than stockley or Schwartz. 
    By over reaction you mean that we raise it as a point  to note. 
    It is interesting that he has an 18 month contract  so that suggests forward planning. It also suggests  that either Bogle stuck for the same type of contract as here or Darren Moore rates him morec highly than the ' experts' on here. 
    Experts whose assessments on ability are either ' Brill ' or ' dog shite' and nothing remotely using an  accurate and reasonable description. 
    Addick1956, which qualities do you see In Bogle that make him a top L1 striker/Championship?

    Would you have kept Bogle rather than Aneke, Stockley, Washington or Schwartz as our budget meant one of them had to leave/couldn't be signed. 
    Another smart arsed question.  We will see now he is in a team with a genuine shout on an Automatic place at the moment. 

    I am sure you and I are not as astute as Donnie's manager.  Why Bowyer let him go time will tell.
    Stockley is  not much better above league 2 in goal scoring and Bogle was a reasonable hold up player with 3 assists and a penalty  won which could be a 4th .

    The same smart question was raised of Simon Francis and we know the answer to that one.
    Simon Francis was an exception to the rule.

    Without even trying, I can list 10 poor players moved on by Charlton who were not a success once gone

    1. moutakill (spelling)
    2. French midfielder signed at simile time as moutakill
    3. abbot
    4. sodje
    5. kandol
    6. le point


    Okay, I can only get to 6. But that’s without trying.

    we’ve had one player that we let go for not being a success who has done well. Bogle will not be the second
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,068
    I think if Bogle didn't take that penalty against Gillingham it probably would have worked out a bit differently. Don't think Bowyer liked that 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,210
    This is now the 5th season in a row Bogle has played for 2 different clubs in the same season. Not a great stat for him moving around that much. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,981
    edited January 2021
    I don't agree with any abuse Bogle got.
    He tried his best (mainly) and wasn't good enough.
    But I can't agree with anyone that feels he was unfairly treated by the club and presumably should have been kept, but at the same time appear to want to keep the other forwards as well.
    If Bogle was to stay one of Aneke, Washington, Schwartz or Stockley couldn't and in the real world that was the decision the club had to make.
    If a fan wanted Bogle to stay that's fair enough, but you need to be able to say which of the other 4 you would have sold/not signed.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    stoneroses19 said:
    This is now the 5th season in a row Bogle has played for 2 different clubs in the same season. Not a great stat for him moving around that much. 
    And the strange thing is clubs still sign him. I guess he must have something about him, but he was simply dreadful for us. 
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  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    He did try but his footballing brain for me will be remembered by 2 key moments: 

    1 - Arguing over a penalty which we did consequently miss and lost points in game
    2 - Deciding to tap in a goal on the goalline from Innis's header that was going in, to see it ruled out for clear offside

    Player's like Bogle/Parker are fine for like 5 games as loanees, as come in focused, to make a point with full effort, but then blow out of steam when more is expected.
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    I know I know he's a former player now

  • Valley27000
    Valley27000 Posts: 3,417
    He has Covid.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Covered End said:
    I don't agree with any abuse Bogle got.
    He tried his best (mainly) and wasn't good enough.
    But I can't agree with anyone that feels he was unfairly treated by the club and presumably should have been kept, but at the same time appear to want to keep the other forwards as well.
    If Bogle was to stay one of Aneke, Washington, Schwartz or Stockley couldn't and in the real world that was the decision the club had to make.
    If a fan wanted Bogle to stay that's fair enough, but you need to be able to say which of the other 4 you would have sold/not signed.
    He was unfairly treated in the sense that I have never seen a play been substituted before the second half kicks off "for being shit" yet start the next game.  For it to happen 3 times in 11 games, is quite frankly bizarre.

    If we don't bring in another player, who significantly improves us, before Monday night I would have kept Bogle for the simple reason the chances of the other 4 all being fit for the rest of the season is remote.

    Also as I have said else where if Bogle had played with, not instead of, Aneke more we might have seen a different level of performance
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    There is no guarantee that the partnership would have worked but it amazes me why it wasn't tested more than 5 minutes at Ipswich where Bogle scored in those 5 minutes.
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,456
    Just scored on his debut for Doncaster.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,981
    JaShea99 said:
    Just scored on his debut for Doncaster.
    Amazing as he has Covid and isn't playing.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited January 2021
    JaShea99 said:
    Just scored on his debut for Doncaster.

  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,832
    JaShea99 said:
    Just scored on his debut for Doncaster.
    What is the point of this post ? 
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,456
    It was a joke...

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