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Government urged to allow return of fans (ed. Limited crowds to return in Tiers 1&2)

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  • The debate has now ended, Charlton got several mentions by Mr Efford & one of the Bury MP's, quite unusual to see MP's from all parties in agreement.
  • It turns out I was initially listening to Damian Collins speaking in the debate on 9 November on 'Football Spectator Attendance: Covid-19'.

    I subsequently tuned into the debate on 'The Future of Football Governance' and listened to most of that. I found myself in agreement with everything said by Clive Efford and Damian Collins, both of whom are extremely knowledgable and experienced in this area. Hopefully they will help push forward the idea of an independent regulator, given the inability of most football club owners to see beyond their own self-interest. I thought that Alison McGovern, the Shadow Minister for Sport, also spoke very well and, as you say, there is encouraging cross-party agreement on the need for change.

    Clive Efford (who has the benefit of Parliamentary Privilege) certainly didn't pull any punches on the need to protect football clubs from certain types of individuals.
  • Rothko said:
    Parliamentary Priviliage doesn't apply to Westminster Hall?
    I believe that it does apply to Committee debates, such as this one, as they are part of the core and essential business of Parliament. It enables MPs to speak their mind in debates and to represent their constituents’ views without fear or favour.

    The provisions on reporting or commenting upon parliamentary proceedings are more nuanced.
  • J BLOCK said:
    Again, I will not die from Covid. Not sure why this clearly rattles you so much, stop bet wetting and let others get on with their life. Enjoy sheltering at home. 
    When masks became compulsory a chap in his 40’s came into the supermarket without one. When approached by a staff member he let rip with his views that this was all nonsense etc.

    I found out Tuesday that his funeral is today. Died from COVID.

    😂
  • It's not funny Redrobo, just depressing.
  • So looks like we will be allowed 2,000 fans. Will fans from Kent be allowed to attend? 
  • London is Tier 2, Kent Tier 3

    Potentially 2000 fans at The Valley from the next game
  • aliwibble said:
    It's not funny Redrobo, just depressing.
    I am laughing at his stupidity, and yes, it is depressing.
  • So looks like we will be allowed 2,000 fans. Will fans from Kent be allowed to attend? 
    Well going by the rules of no travelling in or out unless unavoidable I would guess not.

    wonder how the club will police that one? Gonna be an added pain for the going through the logistics of where people are coming in from 
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  • Well going by the rules of no travelling in or out unless unavoidable I would guess not.

    wonder how the club will police that one? Gonna be an added pain for the going through the logistics of where people are coming in from 
    I don’t think it will be as logistically difficult as long as clear rules are in place.

    The 2,000 tickets will likely be allocated to season ticket holders with registered addresses in London and then run with similar procedures as were in place for the Doncaster game in September. 
  • cafctom said:
    I don’t think it will be as logistically difficult as long as clear rules are in place.

    The 2,000 tickets will likely be allocated to season ticket holders with registered addresses in London and then run with similar procedures as were in place for the Doncaster game in September. 


    We have fans outside of London and Kent. 
  • Listen to the accent on the door. Anyone who does not sound like a pwopa cockney not allowed in.
    I would imagine they will go through the database and anyone living in a tier 3 area will not be eligible to apply for a match ticket. 




  • We have fans outside of London and Kent. 
    Just ignore them.

















    Joke joke joke:smile:  
  • So how many fans would Welling be allowed in under the new rules?
  • So how many fans would Welling be allowed in under the new rules?
    2000 as thats less than half their capacity (just)
  • So how many fans would Welling be allowed in under the new rules?
    Welling is in the London borough of Bexley & is in tier 2.
    All 32 London boroughs are in tier 2.
  • Well going by the rules of no travelling in or out unless unavoidable I would guess not.

    wonder how the club will police that one? Gonna be an added pain for the going through the logistics of where people are coming in from 
    As I said yesterday, going to be a nightmare for the club to manage both with the tier system and who comes from where and limited to 2k.
  • Leuth said:
    I reckon it should be allotted according to proximity to the ground ;)
    To be clear though, I shouldn't be in the 2000 closest! There are a lot more than 2000 households closer than I am. Alas though, they're probably not all fans
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  • So just to clear this up, if you're a fan of a London team (tier 2) but live in Kent (tier 3) you won't be allowed to go to a game. But if you're a fan of a London team, who lives in Kent (like Bexleyheath/Sidcup/Welling), which are actually listed as part of a London borough then you will be.

    Glad we got that sorted.
  • So just to clear this up, if you're a fan of a London team (tier 2) but live in Kent (tier 3) you won't be allowed to go to a game. But if you're a fan of a London team, who lives in Kent (like Bexleyheath/Sidcup/Welling), which are actually listed as part of a London borough then you will be.

    Glad we got that sorted.

    Tier three (very high)

    Additional restrictions apply:

    • You can't mix with other households indoors, or in private gardens and pub gardens
    • You can meet in a group of up to six in other outdoor spaces, such as parks, beaches or countryside
    • Hospitality venues - such as bars, pubs, cafes and restaurants must close, except for delivery and takeaway services
    • Spectator sports cannot resume
    • Indoor entertain venues - such as bowling alleys and cinemas - must close
    • People are advised not to travel to and from tier three areas
  • clive said:
    Welling is in the London borough of Bexley & is in tier 2.
    All 32 London boroughs are in tier 2.
    What about Catford? 
  • So just to clear this up, if you're a fan of a London team (tier 2) but live in Kent (tier 3) you won't be allowed to go to a game. But if you're a fan of a London team, who lives in Kent (like Bexleyheath/Sidcup/Welling), which are actually listed as part of a London borough then you will be.

    Glad we got that sorted.
    Bexleyheath/Sidcup/Welling aren't in Kent
  • With all tickets being allocated to existing ST holders or ID holders, all of which will be registered with their address, it's actually quite easy to see who can and can't come
  • Rob7Lee said:
    As I said yesterday, going to be a nightmare for the club to manage both with the tier system and who comes from where and limited to 2k.
    Not to mention that seemingly they’ve refunded cash for December games already into the ticketing account 
  • The problem being a most of Bexley have a DA postcode, more problems for the ticket office to sort out.  
  • With all tickets being allocated to existing ST holders or ID holders, all of which will be registered with their address, it's actually quite easy to see who can and can't come
    Guess what they could do is a send a email out to all those not in a Tier 3 location with a unique code thats needed when purchasing the tickets - That would surely be straightforward given what they'll already have in place on the website

    You just hope people in T3 wont be asking their family / mates in a T2 area to buy them a ticket on their behalf
  • Guessing for 2000 in attendance they might try to ID everyone at the gates to check their address
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