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Government urged to allow return of fans (ed. Limited crowds to return in Tiers 1&2)
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I asked this at the beginning because I was surprised by it. Seems positive that Bowyer was talking about fans being back in his press conferencegolfaddick said:
When does lockdown officially end and the tier system start ?? Is it midnight of the 1st or midnight of the 2nd as surely this dictates who can go.SouthWest_Addicks said:Hearing that Charlton sorting the final bit outs with the Met Police atm, and looks very certain we will have a crowd in place for Franchise game next Wednesday. Loyalty points system will be used.0 -
Yup I'm in North Wales no tier system here so can I come ?roseandcrown said:cafctom said:
I don’t think it will be as logistically difficult as long as clear rules are in place.DamoNorthStand said:
Well going by the rules of no travelling in or out unless unavoidable I would guess not.MStuartPerm said:So looks like we will be allowed 2,000 fans. Will fans from Kent be allowed to attend?
wonder how the club will police that one? Gonna be an added pain for the going through the logistics of where people are coming in from
The 2,000 tickets will likely be allocated to season ticket holders with registered addresses in London and then run with similar procedures as were in place for the Doncaster game in September.
We have fans outside of London and Kent.0 -
Does anyone know if Valley Live will continue? I bloody hope so0
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I know. And if he hadn’t had such a big mouth he probably wouldn’t have swallowed so much virus. 😘J BLOCK said:
PratRedrobo said:
When masks became compulsory a chap in his 40’s came into the supermarket without one. When approached by a staff member he let rip with his views that this was all nonsense etc.J BLOCK said:
Again, I will not die from Covid. Not sure why this clearly rattles you so much, stop bet wetting and let others get on with their life. Enjoy sheltering at home.ElfsborgAddick said:
I questioned your ridiculous comment that you will "not die from this". I did not say you had said nobody has died.J BLOCK said:
Again, where did I say nobody has died from COVID?ElfsborgAddick said:
"I will not die from this".J BLOCK said:
How on earth have you got that from my post.ElfsborgAddick said:
Nobody has died from COVID?J BLOCK said:
I’m an adult. I will not die from this. I will also no go and see anyone in my family if they were vulnerable. I don’t need people like you dictating what I can and can’t do. Stop scaremongering, you are not the police or the government. You do what you want and let’s others do what they want.StigThundercock said:
Is precisely why Leicester, Liverpool and now Swale have these levels of infection, hospitalisation and death.J BLOCK said:
How about you let people get on and do what they see fit for their own nearest and dearest.StigThundercock said:
It's not the government's bizarre rules or the absence of any that makes a reckless halfwit take an entirely avoidable risk with the health of their supposedly nearest and dearest. For the sake of another few months before we get some sort of certainty, attending any sort of crowded event is unforgivable.jacob_CAFC said:StigThundercock said:Two things:
London's gonna be in Tier 3 for weeks if not months.
How many of you are really gonna go to a match and risk giving your Granny COVID for Christmas?
What level of avoidable illness and deaths in your own families is acceptable to allow you to attend a few more matches before most of us get the chance of an inoculation in the Spring?
Does seem bizarre to allow people to go to games right after a lockdown - i wouldn't blame the people choosing to go though, it's the government and their stupid rules
By all means carry on as if you're invulnerable, that's your right. Any of your "near and dear" that suffer as a result of your dogmatic enforcement of your so called liberty, that's on you; you can't have it both ways. Trouble is the unfortunate saps that bear the brunt of all this loudly hectored "freedom" don't get a choice do they? The bill for your much vaunted "freedom" isn't paid by you is it? Your freedom is constrained by your neighbour's right to not have their life spoiled by your actions.
Not making your Nan ill strikes me as no price to pay - you disagree, as is your right. Sleep well.
It is nice to know that you will not be dying from COVID.
I found out Tuesday that his funeral is today. Died from COVID.
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I believe the prison is, indeed, the reason Sheppey East has the highest rate of infection in the countrygolfaddick said:Kent being in tier 3 mainly because of the convicts on Swale. Thanks guys......0 -
Redrobo said:J BLOCK said:Redrobo said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:StigThundercock said:
Is precisely why Leicester, Liverpool and now Swale have these levels of infection, hospitalisation and death.J BLOCK said:
How about you let people get on and do what they see fit for their own nearest and dearest.StigThundercock said:
It's not the government's bizarre rules or the absence of any that makes a reckless halfwit take an entirely avoidable risk with the health of their supposedly nearest and dearest. For the sake of another few months before we get some sort of certainty, attending any sort of crowded event is unforgivable.jacob_CAFC said:StigThundercock said:Two things:
London's gonna be in Tier 3 for weeks if not months.
How many of you are really gonna go to a match and risk giving your Granny COVID for Christmas?
What level of avoidable illness and deaths in your own families is acceptable to allow you to attend a few more matches before most of us get the chance of an inoculation in the Spring?
Does seem bizarre to allow people to go to games right after a lockdown - i wouldn't blame the people choosing to go though, it's the government and their stupid rules
By all means carry on as if you're invulnerable, that's your right. Any of your "near and dear" that suffer as a result of your dogmatic enforcement of your so called liberty, that's on you; you can't have it both ways. Trouble is the unfortunate saps that bear the brunt of all this loudly hectored "freedom" don't get a choice do they? The bill for your much vaunted "freedom" isn't paid by you is it? Your freedom is constrained by your neighbour's right to not have
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AndyG said:
Yup I'm in North Wales no tier system here so can I come ?roseandcrown said:cafctom said:
I don’t think it will be as logistically difficult as long as clear rules are in place.DamoNorthStand said:
Well going by the rules of no travelling in or out unless unavoidable I would guess not.MStuartPerm said:So looks like we will be allowed 2,000 fans. Will fans from Kent be allowed to attend?
wonder how the club will police that one? Gonna be an added pain for the going through the logistics of where people are coming in from
The 2,000 tickets will likely be allocated to season ticket holders with registered addresses in London and then run with similar procedures as were in place for the Doncaster game in September.
We have fans outside of London and Kent.
Giddy heights of Tier 2 here in Cheshire, so I can come too 😉0 -
I stopped buying a season ticket as a practical way of putting financial pressure on Roland to try to get him to sell the club. Previously I bought one for around 18 years.
Consequently I am lacking loyalty points.
Loyalty is not measured solely by loyalty points.
If you have a season ticket that should be enough.
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Oh sick, I'll be seeing my fellow Roland Loyalists there next week!
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Did you buy a season ticket for this season?Valley Ant said:I stopped buying a season ticket as a practical way of putting financial pressure on Roland to try to get him to sell the club. Previously I bought one for around 18 years.
Consequently I am lacking loyalty points.
Loyalty is not measured solely by loyalty points.
If you have a season ticket that should be enough.0 - Sponsored links:
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But we have more season tickets than the number allowed in so it's not as simple as that in this scenarioValley Ant said:I stopped buying a season ticket as a practical way of putting financial pressure on Roland to try to get him to sell the club. Previously I bought one for around 18 years.
Consequently I am lacking loyalty points.
Loyalty is not measured solely by loyalty points.
If you have a season ticket that should be enough.0 -
Valley Ant said:I stopped buying a season ticket as a practical way of putting financial pressure on Roland to try to get him to sell the club. Previously I bought one for around 18 years.
Consequently I am lacking loyalty points.
Loyalty is not measured solely by loyalty points.
If you have a season ticket that should be enough.Until the club confirms it the allocation of tickets has yet to advised. So people may be jumping the gun.The loyalty scheme is in place to reward those that follow the club home and away and ultimately put their money in to do so. Whoever the owner maybe.2 -
I guess you’re talking about Stanford Hill which is an open but even then the prisoners on day release will have had to have been doing some serious socialising to be the main cause. The other two prisons in the cluster, Swaleside and Elmley are both closed establishments. The only way the virus would get in those is through the staff taking it in. The prisoners would have been adhering to isolating from Covid better than the vast majority of the country.Blucher said:
I believe the prison is, indeed, the reason Sheppey East has the highest rate of infection in the countrygolfaddick said:Kent being in tier 3 mainly because of the convicts on Swale. Thanks guys......1 -
Does valley gold get you priority for this?0
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Just checked the confirmed cases per 100,000 of population. Greenwich & Bexley (so SE & DA postcodes) have a higher rate of infections than Bromley & Sevenoaks (BR & TN postcodes).
So there you have it. The tiers are totally false & skewed towards certain areas.5 -
It’s not just based on case numbers!4
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No idea, but they didn't for the Doncaster test if that means anythingcantersaddick said:Does valley gold get you priority for this?0 -
Yes I did and a half season ticket last year when I thought we had been bought by legitimate new owners. How wrong was I with that call?se9addick said:
Did you buy a season ticket for this season?Valley Ant said:I stopped buying a season ticket as a practical way of putting financial pressure on Roland to try to get him to sell the club. Previously I bought one for around 18 years.
Consequently I am lacking loyalty points.
Loyalty is not measured solely by loyalty points.
If you have a season ticket that should be enough.0 -
So you should have a decent number of loyalty points from those? We only have 5,000-6,000 season ticket holders and I assume those from Kent (which is probably a decent chunk of our STs) will be excluded because their county is a hive of corona. Add in that there will be a fair few who won’t go even if they can. If you want to go to a match I think there’s a decent chance you’ll get a ticket.Valley Ant said:
Yes I did and a half season ticket last year when I thought we had been bought by legitimate new owners. How wrong was I with that call?se9addick said:
Did you buy a season ticket for this season?Valley Ant said:I stopped buying a season ticket as a practical way of putting financial pressure on Roland to try to get him to sell the club. Previously I bought one for around 18 years.
Consequently I am lacking loyalty points.
Loyalty is not measured solely by loyalty points.
If you have a season ticket that should be enough.5 - Sponsored links:
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Can you catch it from 'falling down the stairs'?AddickUpNorth said:
I guess you’re talking about Stanford Hill which is an open but even then the prisoners on day release will have had to have been doing some serious socialising to be the main cause. The other two prisons in the cluster, Swaleside and Elmley are both closed establishments. The only way the virus would get in those is through the staff taking it in. The prisoners would have been adhering to isolating from Covid better than the vast majority of the country.Blucher said:
I believe the prison is, indeed, the reason Sheppey East has the highest rate of infection in the countrygolfaddick said:Kent being in tier 3 mainly because of the convicts on Swale. Thanks guys......
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DaveMehmet said:
Can you catch it from 'falling down the stairs'?AddickUpNorth said:
I guess you’re talking about Stanford Hill which is an open but even then the prisoners on day release will have had to have been doing some serious socialising to be the main cause. The other two prisons in the cluster, Swaleside and Elmley are both closed establishments. The only way the virus would get in those is through the staff taking it in. The prisoners would have been adhering to isolating from Covid better than the vast majority of the country.Blucher said:
I believe the prison is, indeed, the reason Sheppey East has the highest rate of infection in the countrygolfaddick said:Kent being in tier 3 mainly because of the convicts on Swale. Thanks guys......
Depends which tier you start falling from. The 3s is definitely riskier.3 -
I suppose a lot will depend on what level of MI the club have on their database, but I think can be kept quite simple.
- first window for ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- second window for all other ST holders with a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- if any left, third window for non-ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area5 -
How many ST holders do we have who live in Kent and (presumably) have a Kent address on the Charlton database? Possibly as much as 50-60%?
With 7K-ish ST holders that could greatly increase the chances of being at the game on Tuesday for London based Addicks like me.0 -
The problem's going to be correlating the tiers to the postcodes in a way that doesn't hammer the database when people are trying to buy tickets.AFKABartram said:I suppose a lot will depend on what level of MI the club have on their database, but I think can be kept quite simple.
- first window for ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- second window for all other ST holders with a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- if any left, third window for non-ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
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aliwibble said:
The problem's going to be correlating the tiers to the postcodes in a way that doesn't hammer the database when people are trying to buy tickets.AFKABartram said:I suppose a lot will depend on what level of MI the club have on their database, but I think can be kept quite simple.
- first window for ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- second window for all other ST holders with a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- if any left, third window for non-ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 areaI agree.Especially as it's not as simple as just taking London postcodes0 -
I’m not an IT guy at all but can’t imagine it’s a simple job to have this added. The more I think about it seems quite complicated to add a new parameter on a current system to stop something from happening.aliwibble said:
The problem's going to be correlating the tiers to the postcodes in a way that doesn't hammer the database when people are trying to buy tickets.AFKABartram said:I suppose a lot will depend on what level of MI the club have on their database, but I think can be kept quite simple.
- first window for ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- second window for all other ST holders with a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
- if any left, third window for non-ST holders with x points and a registered postcode in a Tier 1 & Tier 2 area
Currently it’s a yes or no as determined by loyalty points. Would need to have it changes to yes/no on loyalty points plus postcode. Additionally, information would be out of date in two weeks. For example, Andy Burnham thinks Manchester will be out of tier 3 in two weeks. Thus, would need to amend it for all updates etc.0 -
It depends how they hold the information about whether you're eligible to buy tickets for a particular match. If there's a yes/ no field somewhere that gets updated for your membership number, then you can just make that conditional on checking the start of their postcode against a lookup table. Ideally that'd be downloadable from the gov.uk website, but doing it manually would be tedious but not impossible as long as the tiers don't change too often. Where it gets more fiddly is if there are a load of rules that the system uses to determine if you're eligible at the time you try to buy, in which case there are going to be a shitload more that'd need to be added, which would put a bigger load on the system.
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The clubs does do/has done analysis on its supporter base beforehand, on the number of registered supporters in each borough, so presumably has previously been easily able to identify who lives in Bexley or Bromley, even if they have a non London postcode, which gets complicated with certain postcodes like DA1 and DA5 which are split between Bexley (London) and Dartford
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