Northampton v Charlton | Post-match thread | 24th October 2020
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Leuth said:blackpool72 said:Leuth said:ShootersHillGuru said:Leuth said:blackpool72 said:Leuth said:AddicksAddict said:Davo55 said:ShootersHillGuru said:One of Pratley or Watson should always start in my opinion.
Against Blackpool, Watson was still the pivot, but he was able to get forward a couple of times due to the shape of the game.
Yes, we need 'a Watson or a Pratley' in our side. I still think Levitt has a bit more steel than it seems, or at least, has the potential to, but as it stands, yes, we need someone who'll win the ball.
But we also need someone who, having won the ball, will do something even faintly useful with it.
That we have two footballers as limited as these two to do it, as opposed to Cullen and Bielik, is the single biggest advantage our last promotion squad has over ours. Bigger than Taylor for mine.
There was a moment yesterday where Pratley miscontrolled a simple ball about five yards, ran after it and basically fell on his man, fouling him. Yes, he gave us the set-piece threat we needed to win that game as we weren't getting a first goal any other way. Yes, he's probably a right pain to play against. But he is slow, clumsy and only suited for destruction. He can play pivot at a push, but the notion of having the similarly slow and not entirely cultured Watson alongside him with the options we have is vandalism, pure and simple.
But Pratley as pivot isn't so bad. He can play a simple ball to a half-decent standard. What I mean is the hellish spectacle of him trying to play as one of our box to box midfielders. At least yesterday he was just the DM spoiler. I don't want Bowyer getting any ideas of returning him or Watson to a position higher up the pitch
Would Levitt have done the same
But at this stage of his development games like yesterday in wet and windy conditions Pratley was a better option.14 -
mendonca said:Excellent distribution from Amos to Doughty for the 2nd.
It's been a while since we've seen a Charlton goalie send a flat and accurate ball out to set a counter attack. Amos and Doughty made that (own) goal from nothing.6 -
I was watching Sittingbourne in the wind and rain yesterday as my football soul craves live 360 degree football where 23 year old referee's are cutting their teeth and 55 year old Assistant referees are trying to prove their eyesight and legs haven't gone !
Thanks for the good, bad and ugly reports from the match yesterday.
Having seen about 1200 Charlton matches it doesn't take long to log on.
I would prefer Cafc to replicate Brighton under Gus Poyet with their supreme passing in League 1 but if not, then win Ugly.
I checked the stats after 40 minutes yesterday and it said we had no shots on target. After 90 it said 2 shots on target which I wonder did that include the wonderful Own goal ?
To create more chances we will need Ruud Maatsen to be a wing back and Alfie Doughty to do the same on the other side.
When Alfie learns to be more accurate with his crosses, the bids will double so be careful what you wish for.
Charlton until I die; even when I'm being unfaithful.
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jacob_CAFC said:Redrobo said:grumpyaddick said:That was utter dross.
Our defence is very sound but the rest pretty much clueless despite the effort.
Smyth looks like Simon Church but with a weaker shot and Bogle like a slower version of Magennis if if that's possible. If either of them score more than five goals this season it will be a miracle.
Pretty much no midfield until Pratley appeared.
No chances created and two goals.
Don't be deceived by the score. That was bang average league 1 rubbish but we won.Chucking out a random stat doesn’t really add to a discussion, but do feel free to quote as many as you wish. I would also add that this is a points driven business.2 -
blackpool72 said:Leuth said:blackpool72 said:Leuth said:ShootersHillGuru said:Leuth said:blackpool72 said:Leuth said:AddicksAddict said:Davo55 said:ShootersHillGuru said:One of Pratley or Watson should always start in my opinion.
Against Blackpool, Watson was still the pivot, but he was able to get forward a couple of times due to the shape of the game.
Yes, we need 'a Watson or a Pratley' in our side. I still think Levitt has a bit more steel than it seems, or at least, has the potential to, but as it stands, yes, we need someone who'll win the ball.
But we also need someone who, having won the ball, will do something even faintly useful with it.
That we have two footballers as limited as these two to do it, as opposed to Cullen and Bielik, is the single biggest advantage our last promotion squad has over ours. Bigger than Taylor for mine.
There was a moment yesterday where Pratley miscontrolled a simple ball about five yards, ran after it and basically fell on his man, fouling him. Yes, he gave us the set-piece threat we needed to win that game as we weren't getting a first goal any other way. Yes, he's probably a right pain to play against. But he is slow, clumsy and only suited for destruction. He can play pivot at a push, but the notion of having the similarly slow and not entirely cultured Watson alongside him with the options we have is vandalism, pure and simple.
But Pratley as pivot isn't so bad. He can play a simple ball to a half-decent standard. What I mean is the hellish spectacle of him trying to play as one of our box to box midfielders. At least yesterday he was just the DM spoiler. I don't want Bowyer getting any ideas of returning him or Watson to a position higher up the pitch
Would Levitt have done the same
But at this stage of his development games like yesterday in wet and windy conditions Pratley was a better option.1 -
Leuth said:blackpool72 said:Leuth said:blackpool72 said:Leuth said:ShootersHillGuru said:Leuth said:blackpool72 said:Leuth said:AddicksAddict said:Davo55 said:ShootersHillGuru said:One of Pratley or Watson should always start in my opinion.
Against Blackpool, Watson was still the pivot, but he was able to get forward a couple of times due to the shape of the game.
Yes, we need 'a Watson or a Pratley' in our side. I still think Levitt has a bit more steel than it seems, or at least, has the potential to, but as it stands, yes, we need someone who'll win the ball.
But we also need someone who, having won the ball, will do something even faintly useful with it.
That we have two footballers as limited as these two to do it, as opposed to Cullen and Bielik, is the single biggest advantage our last promotion squad has over ours. Bigger than Taylor for mine.
There was a moment yesterday where Pratley miscontrolled a simple ball about five yards, ran after it and basically fell on his man, fouling him. Yes, he gave us the set-piece threat we needed to win that game as we weren't getting a first goal any other way. Yes, he's probably a right pain to play against. But he is slow, clumsy and only suited for destruction. He can play pivot at a push, but the notion of having the similarly slow and not entirely cultured Watson alongside him with the options we have is vandalism, pure and simple.
But Pratley as pivot isn't so bad. He can play a simple ball to a half-decent standard. What I mean is the hellish spectacle of him trying to play as one of our box to box midfielders. At least yesterday he was just the DM spoiler. I don't want Bowyer getting any ideas of returning him or Watson to a position higher up the pitch
Would Levitt have done the same
But at this stage of his development games like yesterday in wet and windy conditions Pratley was a better option.0 -
Redrobo said:jacob_CAFC said:Redrobo said:grumpyaddick said:That was utter dross.
Our defence is very sound but the rest pretty much clueless despite the effort.
Smyth looks like Simon Church but with a weaker shot and Bogle like a slower version of Magennis if if that's possible. If either of them score more than five goals this season it will be a miracle.
Pretty much no midfield until Pratley appeared.
No chances created and two goals.
Don't be deceived by the score. That was bang average league 1 rubbish but we won.Chucking out a random stat doesn’t really add to a discussion, but do feel free to quote as many as you wish. I would also add that this is a points driven business.
And you didn't refute anything grumpy said. Just an attack on how they viewed the game. Doesn't really add to a discussion2 -
jacob_CAFC said:Redrobo said:grumpyaddick said:That was utter dross.
Our defence is very sound but the rest pretty much clueless despite the effort.
Smyth looks like Simon Church but with a weaker shot and Bogle like a slower version of Magennis if if that's possible. If either of them score more than five goals this season it will be a miracle.
Pretty much no midfield until Pratley appeared.
No chances created and two goals.
Don't be deceived by the score. That was bang average league 1 rubbish but we won.
Which was two more than against Sunderland.
Marcus Maddison is going to be so important to this side if he can replicate his Peterborough stats.0 -
5 points off the top 2 , with a game in hand, I think the next two games are going to be tough, Robbo seems to be able to get the better of Lee, and Pompey always tough.
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A grisly spectacle in pretty horrible conditions but 3 points and a clean sheet made it another excellent day’s work.
A very poor first half, with a particularly inept first 20 minutes from Charlton. The midfield was pretty non-existent, with Levitt (in particular), JFC and Jonny Williams largely passengers. The lack of any combination play led to a string of long, hopeful punts upfield to an isolated Omar Bogle, who was well policed by Northampton’s big centre halves.
We were indebted to Ben Amos for a fine double save and I was relieved to go in at 0-0, especially as we had conceded a number of silly free kicks - with set plays an area in which Northampton tend to excel.
The conditions looked very difficult, with the effect of the swirling wind probably exacerbated by the four open corners of the ground and the modest dimensions of the stands (including the half built one, as a result of the scandalous misappropriation of a £10.25million Council loan in 2013/14 to redevelop the ground - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-northamptonshire-50951621 ). Difficult as they were, the conditions couldn’t excuse what was (with the exception of our defenders) a weak and rudderless first half performance.
Happily, Lee Bowyer acted decisively at half time, introducing Darren Pratley, who provided some much needed leadership and physicality in midfield. His dynamism also helped others around him raise their level. We put in a couple of decent corners early in the second half and, from one of them, Ryan Inniss headed neatly down for Pratters to lash home from close range. It should have been 2-0 moments later from another very good Inniss header (this time after he had drifted further out towards the edge of the box) but Smyth somehow contrived to put the ball over the bar from 6 yards. It didn’t matter in the end, as a couple of minutes later Amos’ fine catch and instant throw released Alfie Doughty, who burned Northampton for pace and his low cross was turned into his own net by the defender (although, encouragingly, a couple of Charlton players had raced into the box and were just behind him).
After that, we defended well and, save for the Alfie injury (which hopefully isn’t serious), little of note happened. We managed the game effectively and Northampton over hit a series of long balls, which caught the wind and skidded harmlessly off the greasy surface for goal kicks.
Amos and the centre backs had very good games again, Gunther was solid and Maatsen was better in the second half. Pratters was the pick of a modest midfield, while Bogle did ok up front, with Doughty, as is so often the case, providing our biggest offensive threat. Smyth was below par but we’ve seen what he can offer and hopefully that miss won’t undermine his confidence in front of goal.
Hopefully we haven’t picked up any further knocks other than Alfie’s injury and I expect that Watson, Shinnie and Washington will come into the reckoning for Tuesday night. I imagine he’ll want to give Bogle a breather, as he’s one of those who didn’t get a pre-season.
Not a game for the memoirs but 9 points in the last 8 days is a tremendous return, especially as we have players like Gilbey and Maddison to come back into the side in the near future. Given the traumas of recent months and with such a newly assembled squad, it’s great to find ourselves in the upper reaches of the table at this early stage.
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Blucher said:
A grisly spectacle in pretty horrible conditions but 3 points and a clean sheet made it another excellent day’s work.
A very poor first half, with a particularly inept first 20 minutes from Charlton. The midfield was pretty non-existent, with Levitt (in particular), JFC and Jonny Williams largely passengers. The lack of any combination play led to a string of long, hopeful punts upfield to an isolated Omar Bogle, who was well policed by Northampton’s big centre halves.
We were indebted to Ben Amos for a fine double save and I was relieved to go in at 0-0, especially as we had conceded a number of silly free kicks - with set plays an area in which Northampton tend to excel.
The conditions looked very difficult, with the effect of the swirling wind probably exacerbated by the four open corners of the ground and the modest dimensions of the stands (including the half built one, as a result of the scandalous misappropriation of a £10.25million Council loan in 2013/14 to redevelop the ground - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-northamptonshire-50951621 ). Difficult as they were, the conditions couldn’t excuse what was (with the exception of our defenders) a weak and rudderless first half performance.
Happily, Lee Bowyer acted decisively at half time, introducing Darren Pratley, who provided some much needed leadership and physicality in midfield. His dynamism also helped others around him raise their level. We put in a couple of decent corners early in the second half and, from one of them, Ryan Inniss headed neatly down for Pratters to lash home from close range. It should have been 2-0 moments later from another very good Inniss header (this time after he had drifted further out towards the edge of the box) but Smyth somehow contrived to put the ball over the bar from 6 yards. It didn’t matter in the end, as a couple of minutes later Amos’ fine catch and instant throw released Alfie Doughty, who burned Northampton for pace and his low cross was turned into his own net by the defender (although, encouragingly, a couple of Charlton players had raced into the box and were just behind him).
After that, we defended well and, save for the Alfie injury (which hopefully isn’t serious), little of note happened. We managed the game effectively and Northampton over hit a series of long balls, which caught the wind and skidded harmlessly off the greasy surface for goal kicks.
Amos and the centre backs had very good games again, Gunther was solid and Maatsen was better in the second half. Pratters was the pick of a modest midfield, while Bogle did ok up front, with Doughty, as is so often the case, providing our biggest offensive threat. Smyth was below par but we’ve seen what he can offer and hopefully that miss won’t undermine his confidence in front of goal.
Hopefully we haven’t picked up any further knocks other than Alfie’s injury and I expect that Watson, Shinnie and Washington will come into the reckoning for Tuesday night. I imagine he’ll want to give Bogle a breather, as he’s one of those who didn’t get a pre-season.
Not a game for the memoirs but 9 points in the last 8 days is a tremendous return, especially as we have players like Gilbey and Maddison to come back into the side in the near future. Given the traumas of recent months and with such a newly assembled squad, it’s great to find ourselves in the upper reaches of the table at this early stage.
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Thanks to @Blucher for a good old fashion football report.0
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Chunes said:mendonca said:Excellent distribution from Amos to Doughty for the 2nd.
It's been a while since we've seen a Charlton goalie send a flat and accurate ball out to set a counter attack. Amos and Doughty made that (own) goal from nothing.1 -
If we rotate the team each game, including 5 players from midfield onwards, it's quite obvious why we start so many games looking like strangers for 20/30 minutes.
Rotating players has benefits and drawbacks, but if the focus is on points rather than performances, we might have to swallow this (and the tenner per game.)3 -
Chunes said:mendonca said:Excellent distribution from Amos to Doughty for the 2nd.
It's been a while since we've seen a Charlton goalie send a flat and accurate ball out to set a counter attack. Amos and Doughty made that (own) goal from nothing.
The defender finished with aplomb, but are we all confident that Bogle and Smyth would have done the same had the defender missed it?
I would really like to see these guys get on the scoresheet before I start getting nervous that they are not good enough for a promotion campaign.
Of course they need the service for that, but Smyth's howler from 6 yards doesn't inspire me with confidence.
Maybe we should put Pratters up front (joke)
Early days I know so I won't write them off1 -
Just got to do enough to get promoted. Nothing more. Of course exciting expansive football would be the best way but it’s not essential. We have a squad that’s up there with the top three or four in the division and a few exciting players but we’re not blessed with a natural goal scorer so grinding out our victories might be the way. That will do.4
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Chunes said:mendonca said:Excellent distribution from Amos to Doughty for the 2nd.
It's been a while since we've seen a Charlton goalie send a flat and accurate ball out to set a counter attack. Amos and Doughty made that (own) goal from nothing.
Whoop whoop.0 -
mendonca said:If we rotate the team each game, including 5 players from midfield onwards, it's quite obvious why we start so many games looking like strangers for 20/30 minutes.
Rotating players has benefits and drawbacks, but if the focus is on points rather than performances, we might have to swallow this (and the tenner per game.)4 -
golfaddick said:mendonca said:If we rotate the team each game, including 5 players from midfield onwards, it's quite obvious why we start so many games looking like strangers for 20/30 minutes.
Rotating players has benefits and drawbacks, but if the focus is on points rather than performances, we might have to swallow this (and the tenner per game.)
bowyer must be mentally scared by last years injuries. No problem with rotation from me0 - Sponsored links:
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Todds_right_hook said:golfaddick said:mendonca said:If we rotate the team each game, including 5 players from midfield onwards, it's quite obvious why we start so many games looking like strangers for 20/30 minutes.
Rotating players has benefits and drawbacks, but if the focus is on points rather than performances, we might have to swallow this (and the tenner per game.)
bowyer must be mentally scared by last years injuries. No problem with rotation from me
Will Salad be a healthy option ?
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balham red said:Callumcafc said:
Two thoughts:
1) Shouldn't Williams be part of the front 3 on either side, instead of being part of the midfield 3? With Doughty out, I hope Williams can show some form in 1 of those wide forward positions.
2) Are cramp and a hamstring pull really that similar feelings?
2 No not at all Cramp passes muscle pulls and tears do not. Playing on thru or after cramp likely to result in tears0 -
seth plum said:If you bring in a slew of players some won't work, some will be injured, some will be a success.
That goes for the whole squad.
I hope there is no tacit or unspoken agreement with anybody over game time.
I personally want to see players who are a) not a liability, and b) can have a positive effect on things.
So far in my view there has not been a positive enough contribution from Watson, Williams and Levitt and Shinnie is borderline. I hope they all improve.People are forgetting that Maddison could well be our key midfielder this season, and the midfield should look more balance when he’s back.
Watson started badly, but looked much better last time out. Levitt is a work in progress. I’d expect Bowyer to improve him, but think he will use him sparingly, especially when Maddison is up and running.But you need to try and get as many of the squad involved as possible, with a long season ahead (Covid willing). Can’t see Bowyer playing his number one team every match.3 -
Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:Blucher said:
It didn’t matter in the end, as a couple of minutes later Amos’ fine catch and instant throw released Alfie Doughty, who burned Northampton for pace and his low cross was turned into his own net by the defender (although, encouragingly, a couple of Charlton players had raced into the box and were just behind him).
At least five people write about Amos's excellent throw out that released Doughty.
He kicked the ball out - admittedly with a low trajectory, but it was not a throw.1 -
Amos was a midfielder as a youth player. It shows sometimes1
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Well, that was a good win in dire conditions that were in zero ways conducive to good football.
Northampton looked poor and we didn't look much better for large swathes of the game, but in fairness, you can't judge either side's ability based on that game due to the inclement weather conditions. We fought harder and our slightly better players helped us exert more pressure that led to goals.
I said after about a minute that I thought we had picked the wrong team. We struggled to string passes together and Levitt seemed like a stranger. I hope he'll come good for us, because he obviously has good footballing pedigree, but it might be a year too early for him. Pratley's introduction was exactly what we needed and lent the side a better balance: we were more effective, if not as "pretty" as I would like, but it was the right move for the conditions. One of him or Watson should be starting most games from now on.
Our back line is fantastic. They got rid of the ball effectively and didn't look much like conceding. Amos was excellent when he needed to be. Inniss is a mountain, Famewo class, Maatsen a little subdued but I blame the conditions, and Gunter solid.
We weren't great inmidfield or up top yesterday but that's the conditions again. Won't hold anything against the forwards or midfielders. A two nil win away from home in those conditions is basically perfect. Keep them coming.3 -
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Addickted said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:Blucher said:
It didn’t matter in the end, as a couple of minutes later Amos’ fine catch and instant throw released Alfie Doughty, who burned Northampton for pace and his low cross was turned into his own net by the defender (although, encouragingly, a couple of Charlton players had raced into the box and were just behind him).
At least five people write about Amos's excellent throw out that released Doughty.
He kicked the ball out - admittedly with a low trajectory, but it was not a throw.
Saw the "Ben Hamer" kick out on Quest and was great to see that you can go from keeper to the excellent running ability of Doughty to the sublime finish by Sowerby who gave the keeper no chance.
You don't always need 30 passes to get into the opposition's half as it seemed we were doing against the ten men of Blackpool In 1st half.0 -
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