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Government urged to allow return of fans (ed. Limited crowds to return in Tiers 1&2)

clive
clive Posts: 19,443
edited November 2020 in Other Football and Sports

Football's governing bodies say they will "continue to urge" the UK government to allow fans at matches.

In September, sports were told to prepare for no fans during winter after a plan to allow limited numbers to return was paused.

Screening fans and temperature checks are among the measures proposed by the Premier League, EFL and the Football Association.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54439207

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/october/open-letter-to-supporters-together-we-will-get-fans-safely-back-into-grounds/

PetitionAllow football fans to attend matches at all levels

Football is a powerful tool of which allows a range of benefits such as employment, and other important aspects of life. Football can be associated with passion, emotion, excitement and dedication across the community. With Fans attending football games a range of economic benefits are there too.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552036


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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    If anything I would personally be urging the government to not even think about letting fans return. 
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,995
    108,658 signatures 
  • Oh Eddie Youds...
    Oh Eddie Youds... Posts: 1,320


    We can't watch football in an open air stadium but Vue cinema's are letting people watch the game within a confined cinema.

    Now that is taking the piss.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    Football is so up its own arse!

    Used to be the national game, the working mans game.

    Money money money. 


  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,995
    Oh Eddie Youds... said:


    We can't watch football in an open air stadium but Vue cinema's are letting people watch the game within a confined cinema.

    Now that is taking the piss.
    Totally ridiculous 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,443
    111,283 signatures
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    soapy_jones said:
    Football is so up its own arse!

    Used to be the national game, the working mans game.

    Money money money. 


    To be honest for the majority of clubs in this country the motivation for this will be a lack of money money money...there is a significant risk that a number of clubs from the 92 won’t survive this.

    For me I don’t see how you can justify fans returning whilst the pandemic numbers are astronomical, but then I don’t understand how cinemas are open or they are allowing gigs (albeit with a reduced capacity) at the o2. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,840
    soapy_jones said:
    Football is so up its own arse!

    Used to be the national game, the working mans game.

    Money money money. 


    .... must be funny ....
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,984
    I think a lot of the issues are around thousands cramming on public transport and possibly into pubs as well.
    It's not just about safety in the stadiums.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Covered End said:
    I think a lot of the issues are around thousands cramming on public transport and possibly into pubs as well.
    It's not just about safety in the stadiums.
    With the rising cases would you go at the moment?
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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,984
    edited October 2020
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    I think a lot of the issues are around thousands cramming on public transport and possibly into pubs as well.
    It's not just about safety in the stadiums.
    With the rising cases would you go at the moment?
    Yes I would assuming it was a max of 9,000 odd attending.

    I would be driving there, not going inside a pub (might go outside a pub) and would keep my distance from others as appropriate.

    I feel the risk outdoors is minimal.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Looking at the latest Covid-19 figures mass gatherings should be banned full stop and no consideration given to allowing it until we get on top of it. 
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    eaststandmike said:
    Looking at the latest Covid-19 figures mass gatherings should be banned full stop and no consideration given to allowing it until we get on top of it. 
    The governing bodies and 116000 people disagree with you.
  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,601
    edited October 2020
    The BBC reported the major footballing bodies the Premier League and the WSL are appealing to the Government.  

    Did I miss when the WSL became the number 2 league in this country. My God, why oh why are we having women’s football rammed down our throats at every opportunity. Football focus, has always only believed the Premiership exists. However, now every week we have a large slot given over to the WSL.

    Spurs ladies top the attendance league last season with an average 8614. Next best Arsenal 4749. Down to Brighton, Reading, Birmingham, and Bristol with around 1,500.  So why is their view now highlighted as being more important than, the EFL clubs who can double their entire league attendance at a single EFL Championship game. 

    Please is it just me, who doesn’t get this agenda....... .?

  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,135
    I read today that, in Germany, fans are being allowed in stadiums at 20% of capacity, provided the local area doesn't have a high number of Covid cases. Clubs are, however, limiting match tickets to season ticket holders who live locally. A government-appointed expert group (hopefully proper experts) are looking into the German system and the EFL and the Premier League have confirmed that they will also limit attendance to local season ticket holders if it means that some supporters are allowed back into grounds.

    It all feels a very long way off to me. I also see that, amidst the Premier League's incessant bleating about the absence of spectators, they have still managed to spend around £1.2billion gross and around £820million net during the current transfer window (with a little more to come before the domestic window shuts on 16 October).
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,667
    clive said:
    111,283 signatures
    Including mine 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,443
    Now 131,690 signatures, including mine.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,146
    Baffling rules at non-league level too - this from Monday's "i" Newspaper.


  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    clb74 said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Looking at the latest Covid-19 figures mass gatherings should be banned full stop and no consideration given to allowing it until we get on top of it. 
    The governing bodies and 116000 people disagree with you.
    Not a huge number when you consider that normally about 700-800,000 attend weekly.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,443
    Hal1x said:
    clb74 said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Looking at the latest Covid-19 figures mass gatherings should be banned full stop and no consideration given to allowing it until we get on top of it. 
    The governing bodies and 116000 people disagree with you.
    Not a huge number when you consider that normally about 700-800,000 attend weekly.
    Now 140,019 signatures, how many of the700-800,000 are aware of the petition.
    Still time to sign the petition     https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552036
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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,167
    edited October 2020
    RaplhMilne said:
    The BBC reported the major footballing bodies the Premier League and the WSL are appealing to the Government.  

    Did I miss when the WSL became the number 2 league in this country. My God, why oh why are we having women’s football rammed down our throats at every opportunity. Football focus, has always only believed the Premiership exists. However, now every week we have a large slot given over to the WSL.

    Spurs ladies top the attendance league last season with an average 8614. Next best Arsenal 4749. Down to Brighton, Reading, Birmingham, and Bristol with around 1,500.  So why is their view now highlighted as being more important than, the EFL clubs who can double their entire league attendance at a single EFL Championship game. 

    Please is it just me, who doesn’t get this agenda....... .?

    This is a fun take. Maybe the WSL are being highlighted in the article to indicate that the top leagues from both men's and women's football are arguing the case. The Premier League are the major footballing body for men's football, the WSL for women's football, it's that simple, it's not a conspiracy to make women's football seem more important than League One. I'm sorry to hear that women's football is being rammed down your throat though. I imagine hearing about it must be very difficult for you. I'm not sure what happened in your life that has prevented you from changing the channel when something you don't like comes on TV, but you have my sympathies.
    To be honest, what you've said about women's attendance is a great point; the smaller numbers of attendees actually makes them safer to have fans return to the stadiums. Less crowding on public transport, fewer people disappointed by smaller numbers and less interest meaning less chance of overcrowding. Add to that that women's football gets even less money in terms of sponsorship, club support and TV money and their existence is even more at threat than lots of EFL teams if their parent teams don't bail them out.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,443
    Now 150,024 signatures.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,914
    Sorry to say it, but the petitions mean fk all. The legalising cannabis one got over a million and never made it anywhere near Parliament. 
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    clb74 said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Looking at the latest Covid-19 figures mass gatherings should be banned full stop and no consideration given to allowing it until we get on top of it. 
    The governing bodies and 116000 people disagree with you.
    The governing bodies have vested interests viewed in total COVID safety from their gilded ivory towers
    116k people isn't really very many is it? The attendance at just 2 premier league games.

    The inconsistency with the cinemas, pubs etc is inexplicable but that don't make the pubs, cinemas situation sensible, let alone "safe".  2 wrongs in this scenario is murderously stupid.

    There are knowledgeable people on this forum who can answer this:  what level(s) of attendance at The Valley wash their face on matchday? i.e. how many ticket sales (+ after spend revenue) cover the matchday specific costs of stewarding, policing, ticketing, cleaning(!), etc, etc?
    No fans in the ground is worse financially than unrestricted attendances but where are the breakeven points?  I'd guess there are steps in the calculations, the profit/loss graph won't be linear.

    FWIW the financial argument is moot in light of the exponential growth in infection, hospitalisation and fatality rates.  I don't see me attending any mass assembly event of any kind before I and my immediate family are vaccinated or infection rates are down to levels of single digit per million.

    There are rivers and lakes of money in English football.  The greedy plutocrats controlling its distribution are under no obligation to, even temporarily, alter that distribution.  Their current intransigence is wholly to be expected but is moronically short-sighted.  The top clubs need the lower tiers to provide a good chunk of the playing stock.  They won't be able to import foreigners indefinitely.  How quickly the PL and their toady 'governing bodies' act for their own longer term benefit and the immediate benefit of the rest of the English game remains to be seen.  But don't be holding your breath boys'n'girls.  The failure of some or many clubs is sadly inevitable but irrelevant in the context of avoidable loss of life.
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    RaplhMilne said:
    The BBC reported the major footballing bodies the Premier League and the WSL are appealing to the Government.  

    Did I miss when the WSL became the number 2 league in this country. My God, why oh why are we having women’s football rammed down our throats at every opportunity. Football focus, has always only believed the Premiership exists. However, now every week we have a large slot given over to the WSL.

    Spurs ladies top the attendance league last season with an average 8614. Next best Arsenal 4749. Down to Brighton, Reading, Birmingham, and Bristol with around 1,500.  So why is their view now highlighted as being more important than, the EFL clubs who can double their entire league attendance at a single EFL Championship game. 

    Please is it just me, who doesn’t get this agenda....... .?

    It's not an agenda and if it were it's not aimed at you.
    What you are seeing here is the effect of how desperately awful the governance and executive is at EFL.  They're not mentioned in that coverage cos the witless complacent gravy train scoffing arseholes in their swanky office in Preston are doing the square root of fuck all that's useful to anyone or anything bar their own next payday.  The sponsors' members are probably jammed so vigorously up the fundament of the gravy train scoffing arseholes, that those arseholes are rendered speechless.

    Your ire is better directed at EFL than BBC's coverage.
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    edited October 2020
    clive said:
    Hal1x said:
    clb74 said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Looking at the latest Covid-19 figures mass gatherings should be banned full stop and no consideration given to allowing it until we get on top of it. 
    The governing bodies and 116000 people disagree with you.
    Not a huge number when you consider that normally about 700-800,000 attend weekly.
    Now 140,019 signatures, how many of the700-800,000 are aware of the petition.
    Still time to sign the petition https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552036
    How many are just realistic of the current situation, and appreciate how difficult it will be to socially distance and enforce the wearing of masks within a crowd, and track and trace.I don't really think this is the appropriate time to be kicking off on this one.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,957
    StigThundercock said:
    RaplhMilne said:
    The BBC reported the major footballing bodies the Premier League and the WSL are appealing to the Government.  

    Did I miss when the WSL became the number 2 league in this country. My God, why oh why are we having women’s football rammed down our throats at every opportunity. Football focus, has always only believed the Premiership exists. However, now every week we have a large slot given over to the WSL.

    Spurs ladies top the attendance league last season with an average 8614. Next best Arsenal 4749. Down to Brighton, Reading, Birmingham, and Bristol with around 1,500.  So why is their view now highlighted as being more important than, the EFL clubs who can double their entire league attendance at a single EFL Championship game. 

    Please is it just me, who doesn’t get this agenda....... .?

    It's not an agenda and if it were it's not aimed at you.
    What you are seeing here is the effect of how desperately awful the governance and executive is at EFL.  They're not mentioned in that coverage cos the witless complacent gravy train scoffing arseholes in their swanky office in Preston are doing the square root of fuck all that's useful to anyone or anything bar their own next payday.  The sponsors' members are probably jammed so vigorously up the fundament of the gravy train scoffing arseholes, that those arseholes are rendered speechless.

    Your ire is better directed at EFL than BBC's coverage.

    May I just say that I very much enjoy your use of language, @StigThundercock
    I can usually tell it's a post from you without looking at the poster's name.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    shine166 said:
    Sorry to say it, but the petitions mean fk all. The legalising cannabis one got over a million and never made it anywhere near Parliament. 
    150,000k is less than what Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea can hold, this will go nowhere.  
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039
    clb74 said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Looking at the latest Covid-19 figures mass gatherings should be banned full stop and no consideration given to allowing it until we get on top of it. 
    The governing bodies and 116000 people disagree with you.
    So epidemic response should now be decided by petitions? 
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    blackpool72 said:
    clive said:
    111,283 signatures
    Including mine 
    Its funny how were all different.
    With the restrictions in place and cases rising theres no urge in me wanting to go.
    To think over 160000 people would go to football a week Saturday is mind boggling considering at this present moment.

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