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Jonny Williams - now at Gillingham (p47)

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  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,888
    stonemuse said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Why cant we train @ Man City... they were allowed to train at the Valley!!
    Distance?
    It's not that far, about 30 miles, to Huddersfield over the M62 however Sheffield to Manchester and back to Yorkshire would be a bit of a mission.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,209
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Why cant we train @ Man City... they were allowed to train at the Valley!!

    They're worried we might leave Matt Smith behind?
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,033
    Exiled_Addick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Why cant we train @ Man City... they were allowed to train at the Valley!!

    They're worried we might leave Matt Smith behind?
    What, on the bench you mean  :)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,955
    Exiled_Addick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Why cant we train @ Man City... they were allowed to train at the Valley!!

    They're worried we might leave Matt Smith behind?
    If we swap him for De Bruyne, perhaps they won't notice
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,223
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  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,787
    Scoham said:
    Talal said:
    I'd like to see Oztumer and Williams both start together for once. I really don't see why it couldn't work. Play Davis at the base, Cullen and Oz central and Williams at the tip. It's not like we physically overpower teams in midfield anyway so dropping Oz back a bit shouldn't hinder us. 
    We’d probably be weaker when defending set pieces, but then it could make us more dangerous going forward and give us more possession.
    But if Bonne and Taylor are the two strikers then it’s fine
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    Guess that means he'll be off then.

    https://www.bt.com/sport/news/jonny-williams-targets-another-major-tournament-appearance-with-wales
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    well at least if he stays with us Giggs knows he'll be as fit as he can be..
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,721
    MattF said:
    Guess that means he'll be off then.

    https://www.bt.com/sport/news/jonny-williams-targets-another-major-tournament-appearance-with-wales
    Or may stay with us (provided Bowyer does) as he's probably been the best person to have managed his injury issues
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    ForeverAddickted said:
    MattF said:
    Guess that means he'll be off then.

    https://www.bt.com/sport/news/jonny-williams-targets-another-major-tournament-appearance-with-wales
    Or may stay with us (provided Bowyer does) as he's probably been the best person to have managed his injury issues
    Possibly, depends what Giggs has said to him about the level he wants him playing at. Lockyer wanted to play championship football to break into the Wales squad, but Williams had already done that.

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  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,373
    Suspect it will be the same as last year.....if a Championship club comes in for him then he’ll go. If not, then he’ll stay. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Can’t say I’m that fussed about Williams. Good character and a decent player but you can’t afford to have a luxury player like him at Charlton. No goals is a terrible return from 40 odd games. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,381
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Can’t say I’m that fussed about Williams. Good character and a decent player but you can’t afford to have a luxury player like him at Charlton. No goals is a terrible return from 40 odd games. 

    agreed
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,477
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Can’t say I’m that fussed about Williams. Good character and a decent player but you can’t afford to have a luxury player like him at Charlton. No goals is a terrible return from 40 odd games. 
    But League One is different and we'll be pressing for promotion hopefully, hopefully, rather than fighting relegation. And that's exactly where you need a player who can break down teams. And Williams, on his day, can do that and provide assists. He's exactly the type of player you need to break teams down. 

    We're also desperately short of numbers and need to keep everyone we can. 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,071
    SDAddick said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Can’t say I’m that fussed about Williams. Good character and a decent player but you can’t afford to have a luxury player like him at Charlton. No goals is a terrible return from 40 odd games. 
    But League One is different and we'll be pressing for promotion hopefully, hopefully, rather than fighting relegation. And that's exactly where you need a player who can break down teams. And Williams, on his day, can do that and provide assists. He's exactly the type of player you need to break teams down. 

    We're also desperately short of numbers and need to keep everyone we can. 
    I think Oztumer can fill that role. Would like to keep Williams but he’ll be a big chunk of our likely small budget and I think we’ll need to use that budget on other areas. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    se9addick said:
    SDAddick said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Can’t say I’m that fussed about Williams. Good character and a decent player but you can’t afford to have a luxury player like him at Charlton. No goals is a terrible return from 40 odd games. 
    But League One is different and we'll be pressing for promotion hopefully, hopefully, rather than fighting relegation. And that's exactly where you need a player who can break down teams. And Williams, on his day, can do that and provide assists. He's exactly the type of player you need to break teams down. 

    We're also desperately short of numbers and need to keep everyone we can. 
    I think Oztumer can fill that role. Would like to keep Williams but he’ll be a big chunk of our likely small budget and I think we’ll need to use that budget on other areas. 
    I agree, would sooner give Oztumer and Aneke a chance. Both of those players have scored goals in the lower leagues. Could prove to be extremely useful.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,482
    About as worried about him going as I was Tony Watt.
  • kinveachyaddick
    kinveachyaddick Posts: 3,881
    Bit more Williams and a bit less McGeady might have been enough to swing things in our favour. But agree with others above that Oztumer should do a good job for us in League One 
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,373
    edited August 2020
    It really comes down to budget/money on our side.

    If the budget isn’t an issue (which I know is a big ‘if’) then there is no way Oztumer/Aneke should be getting in ahead of him. 

    He doesnt score enough goals, agreed, but I think some might be letting a few recent games sway opinion.

    If we can keep him then he is by and far away our best player going into League One next season. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,292
    edited August 2020
    I liked Jonny but at the end of the day he played 27 games last season from the article and barely played more than 60mins in any.  so in reality that is less than half the minutes we played last season he was involved with, plus even that number benefitted from the mid season break I suspect.  He is too expensive a luxury for that level of involvement.  I would be surprised if he had too many suitors but someone will pick him up in the Championship 

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  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,228
    I could only see clubs like Wycombe or Luton going in for Williams in The Championship. Embarrassing if either of them are picking off our carcass but at the end of the day Williams didn't score a single goal and with money tighter than ever I wouldn't rule out Williams staying on.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,955
    I like Williams, but there isn't enough end product there and the reluctance by Bowyer to play him in the last 9 games was rather telling

    Having said that Oztumer was even more invisible!
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,381
    killerandflash said:
    I like Williams, but there isn't enough end product there and the reluctance by Bowyer to play him in the last 9 games was rather telling

    Having said that Oztumer was even more invisible!
    IF you stood them one on the shoulders of the other, they'd make one player!
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,819
     Can we agree to call that player Oziams rather than Willtumer?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,883
    No player had more assists for us this season than Williams - 5 in 1,369 minutes. McGeady had none in 594 minutes.

    The "midfield" five that started against Reading, in what was a must win game for us, of Cullen, Pratley, Morgan, McGeady and Aneke ended up the season with 4 goals and 7 assists between them from 8,091 minutes of football. That is one every 735 minutes - in other words, roughly, every 8 games one of those five would score or assist in a goal. 

    Our main creativity walked out the door once Gallagher, Leko and finally Taylor left us. And LB ether didn't trust Williams or felt that he wasn't capable of 90 minutes. But if Willaims thinks he is fit enough to go to the Euros then we, as beggars, can't really afford to be choosers as creative players such as Williams aren't in plentiful supply. And if that means a "job share" with Oztumer then so be it. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,892
    bowyer dropped the midfield diamond after the restart. That made oztumer and Williams redundant. 

    If bowyer sticks with the diamond next season (assuming there is a next season for bowyer and the team) then I don’t think we need Williams, oztumer and Morgan. Aneke will play further up top as we are in a more physical league.

    who to keep out of Williams and oztumer? Williams is on more and is out of contract, bye Jonny! 
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,856
    People are seriously forgetting here. Jonny was superb for the first part of the season until he got injured against Derby. If we had him next season , which seems extremely unlikely , he could well be one of the top players in the division
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    MartinCAFC said:
    I could only see clubs like Wycombe or Luton going in for Williams in The Championship. Embarrassing if either of them are picking off our carcass but at the end of the day Williams didn't score a single goal and with money tighter than ever I wouldn't rule out Williams staying on.
    To be fair he's always been a dribbler and assister more than goal scorer. He will not score many goals at any level, he isn't clinical and doesn't often hit the ball hard. 
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,422
    I love williams, if it wasn't for his injuries i have no doubt he would be top Championship player, possible Premier league a while ago. Has that bit of class, works hard, always good to win cheap fans. I think he picks up good positions and gets heavily involved, Otzumer might be good enough for League one but is a downgrade imo, having both would be great if money was there or other areas not needed difficult to say on that front. 

    I dont really see him scoring much but still think he creates chances and always gets in the right areas. no doubt if injuries were not an issue would be first on the team sheet (Cullen aside) 

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