League table talk

Covered End said:

Sage said:

Beat Wigan and we stay up. Said it last week, and believe it even more now.

I tend to agree, but only if Wigan have the 12 point deduction.

I thought the EFL had already rejected the appeal?

From what I have just read on the internet the EFL have rejected appeal and the 12 point deduction will be deducted.

RolandsOut said:

RedChaser said:

golfaddick said:

Something inside me thinks that Wigan will get out if it. Will win their next 2 & then face us. We haven't got the bottle & will lose.

That's an about turn isn't it, I thought you was saying there's no way the points deduction couldn't happen a few days ago? 

Even WITH a 12 point deduction, Wigan are on 53 now and only need 1 win and 2 draws to be level on points with us (and one of their games is against us).  After todays win, I can see Wigan getting deducted and still not going down, which is a hell of a feat.  

Which was what I meant. They have been on such a good run & are not only not losing but winning most of their games. I can see them winning their next 3 & staying up. 

Wigan next 3 games are v Barnsley, Hull & us.
Sorry to say I reckon they will win  all 3.
So as others have said above; even with a 12 point deduction they will probably survive, and deserve to.
Fancy Hull to be the third to be relegated, the wendies richly deserve it but I have a bad feeling they are going to escape this year.

FiveThirtyEight say

Luton relegated 92%
Barnsley relegated 89%

Callumcafc said:

FiveThirtyEight say

Luton relegated 92%
Barnsley relegated 89%

Wigan relegated 58%
Hull relegated 26%
Charlton relegated 21%

all other teams 5% or less

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/championship/

Stoke's % i guess is based on the fact they have an extra game to play, but if they don't beat Birmingham it's quite feasible they might not get another win, so not sure their % should be lower than ours.

I can't see them getting more points from these games than we will from our 4.

Their run in is:

Leeds away
Birmingham home
Bristol City away
Brentford home
Forest away

Stoke will have enough   as well as brum game that they have a chance in Bristol city have nowt to play for and forest could be secure in the play off zone come last game and Brentford may be the same as well

In some ways, I would like Birmingham to stick five goals on Stoke on Sunday. It will mean Brum are relatively safe by the time we play them next week. Stoke have got a nasty three games after playing Birmingham with trips to Bristol City and Notts Forest and a home game with Brentford.

Birmingham manager left last night.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Callumcafc said:

FiveThirtyEight say

Luton relegated 92%
Barnsley relegated 89%

Wigan relegated 58%
Hull relegated 26%
Charlton relegated 21%

all other teams 5% or less

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/championship/

Stoke's % i guess is based on the fact they have an extra game to play, but if they don't beat Birmingham it's quite feasible they might not get another win, so not sure their % should be lower than ours.

I can't see them getting more points from these games than we will from our 4.

Their run in is:

Leeds away
Birmingham home
Bristol City away
Brentford home
Forest away

The problem with those last four, is they'll have potentially nothing to play for apart from maybe Birmingham. Bristol City can't do anything, Brentford may be out of touch with Leeds / WBA by then & Forest will most likely have sewn up 5th place. So the latter two may be resting players ready for the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up 5 points from those five games.

After looking at the run ins again, I think we need two wins now to be sure but I can't see us getting them. Have a feeling it could come down to GD between us and Hull.

Redrobo said:

Covered End said:

Redrobo said:

Covered End said:

Sage said:

Beat Wigan and we stay up. Said it last week, and believe it even more now.

I tend to agree, but only if Wigan have the 12 point deduction.

I thought the EFL had already rejected the appeal?

From what I have just read on the internet the EFL have rejected appeal and the 12 point deduction will be deducted.

I've not read anything.
Can you give us the link where it says the appeal has been heard and rejected, 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj9jcvG6L_qAhX7UBUIHUgqAiEQFjAIegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazettelive.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Ffootball-news%2Fefl-confirm-wigan-12-point-18560305&usg=AOvVaw0HjulcQhwD9Xl9lMt7hsM0

Sorry Redrobo, I've read this and it definitely does not say an appeal has been heard and declined. It says.

"The EFL has confirmed it will issue Wigan Athletic a 12-point deduction despite talk of a possible appeal."

Dazzler21 said:

Covered End said:

Redrobo said:

Covered End said:

Redrobo said:

Covered End said:

Sage said:

Beat Wigan and we stay up. Said it last week, and believe it even more now.

I tend to agree, but only if Wigan have the 12 point deduction.

I thought the EFL had already rejected the appeal?

From what I have just read on the internet the EFL have rejected appeal and the 12 point deduction will be deducted.

I've not read anything.
Can you give us the link where it says the appeal has been heard and rejected, 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj9jcvG6L_qAhX7UBUIHUgqAiEQFjAIegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazettelive.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Ffootball-news%2Fefl-confirm-wigan-12-point-18560305&usg=AOvVaw0HjulcQhwD9Xl9lMt7hsM0

Sorry Redrobo, I've read this and it definitely does not say an appeal has been heard and declined. It says.

"The EFL has confirmed it will issue Wigan Athletic a 12-point deduction despite talk of a possible appeal."

It kind of does say their appeal won't be heard. You just have to read between the lines. 

I understand what you are both saying, but I disagree.
I interpret that as the EFL will be deducting them 12 points and if Wigan appeal they won't win (in EFL's view).

However, Wigan have appointed a QC and will be appealing.

I anticipate the appeal being rejected, but nonetheless they will be appealing.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Birmingham should be very worried too. 10 games without a win, and just 5 wins in their last 28!

Haven't kept a clean sheet at home since October, and have conceded at least 3 goals in 8 of their last 11 home games.

Thankfully for them, (like us) their form up to October has kept them from being cut adrift at the bottom of the table.

& the fact that they still have to play us...🙄

We want 5! We want 5!

That never normally works for me