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Is Lockdown easing gradually?
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No 10 hits back at scientists' warnings that Government is unlocking too fast. 'Not if social distancing and 2 metres are still properly observed'. “If the public follows the advice we have given, it’s unlikely the measures will push the R rate above one".
Looks like the Government are ready to relax the rules and then blame the public if/when the second wave hits.4 -
Yes it was, for example the street drinkers joined by regulars from the local pubs who wanted to meet, At one point they had two sofas and 3 armchairs placed under the trees, youngesters playing football on the Ryealan dugdale said:msomerton said:
Yes Peckham Rye, social distancing ended here 3 to 4 weeks ago with all this good weather.se9addick said:
Peckham @msomerton ?msomerton said:Where I am lockd down well and truly over. Have had two demonstrations go past my front door.
The first 50 to 60 cyclists, the usual 20 to 40middle class type with kids in trailers.
Then later a group of 100 to 150 marching up the road demonstrating about what is going on in the USA, no social distancing and no face covering. They went to an already overcrowded park, watch covid 19 take off again.Way before the Cummings saga then ?1 -
That has been the plan since the shift to a 'common sense' approach, blame the plebs when it all goes wrongSELR_addicks said:No 10 hits back at scientists' warnings that Government is unlocking too fast. 'Not if social distancing and 2 metres are still properly observed'. “If the public follows the advice we have given, it’s unlikely the measures will push the R rate above one".
Looks like the Government are ready to relax the rules and then blame the public if/when the second wave hits.3 -
We drove thru Eynsford yesterday to take dogs for walk - if any of you know The Plough pub by the ford, it has a largish area of grass opposite it by the river - there was an ice cream van parked up and the area was packed with people - as we drove past I looked and no way was the ability to even be 2 metres from other people
Lockdown is indeed gone
My sister is an A&E nurse - she tells me NHS is worried cases and deaths will start to rise again, and it’s preparing for the worst0 -
Walked from Whitstable to Herne Bay and back today. A lot of people out and about and most seemed to be observing social distancing which was a surprise to me, albeit most were middle aged to decrepit.1
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Lockdown went about a month ago when it was clear that U25s reached their tolerance point and thought ‘f*** it’, while over 25s (if Facebook and Twitter we’re anything to go by) started socialising like Kate Moss in her heyday with every post including the standard (socially distancing of course!) nonsense.
Since then things have just steadily unwound. I think we’ll get lucky in the sense that the strain of the virus appears nowhere near as potent enough as it was 3 months ago (whether it’s just dying off or the weather has had an impact, I don’t know).
The boozy Bank Holiday weekend is now 24 days ago. We would have seen spikes up again by now imo if it was carrying the same potency.
When you get people back on mass in confined spaces I really don’t know though9 -
But there IS a responsibility on the public as well.Rothko said:
That has been the plan since the shift to a 'common sense' approach, blame the plebs when it all goes wrongSELR_addicks said:No 10 hits back at scientists' warnings that Government is unlocking too fast. 'Not if social distancing and 2 metres are still properly observed'. “If the public follows the advice we have given, it’s unlikely the measures will push the R rate above one".
Looks like the Government are ready to relax the rules and then blame the public if/when the second wave hits.
People talk about a relaxation of the rules, but we are still heavily restricted. If people choose to ignore them, it's pretty hard to prevent it, we're not a police state5 -
Agreed, it's the public and especially younger people who have driven this, as they judge that they are at little risk, and have had enough of the restrictions.AFKABartram said:Lockdown went about a month ago when it was clear that U25s reached their tolerance point and thought ‘f*** it’, while over 25s (if Facebook and Twitter we’re anything to go by) started socialising like Kate Moss in her heyday with every post including the standard (socially distancing of course!) nonsense.
Since then things have just steadily unwound. I think we’ll get lucky in the sense that the strain of the virus appears nowhere near as potent enough as it was 3 months ago (whether it’s just dying off or the weather has had an impact, I don’t know).
The boozy Bank Holiday weekend 24 days ago. We would have seen spikes up again by now imo if it was carrying the same potency.
When you get people back on mass in confined spaces I really don’t know though2 -
Yes, that’s what I thought, same for VE Day ... and there have been no obvious spikes.AFKABartram said:Lockdown went about a month ago when it was clear that U25s reached their tolerance point and thought ‘f*** it’, while over 25s (if Facebook and Twitter we’re anything to go by) started socialising like Kate Moss in her heyday with every post including the standard (socially distancing of course!) nonsense.
Since then things have just steadily unwound. I think we’ll get lucky in the sense that the strain of the virus appears nowhere near as potent enough as it was 3 months ago (whether it’s just dying off or the weather has had an impact, I don’t know).
The boozy Bank Holiday weekend is now 24 days ago. We would have seen spikes up again by now imo if it was carrying the same potency.
When you get people back on mass in confined spaces I really don’t know thoughFingers crossed this is good news.3 -
Surely this bit I've bolded is largely to the fact that the vast majority of non selfish people and those who have been lucky enough to be able to work at home have abided by the lockdown spirit and therefore played a massive part in reducing transmission because perhaps only 5% of the population have been acting as normal (ie because either their job dictates so or they're just selfish/ ignorant and rules dont apply to them).AFKABartram said:Lockdown went about a month ago when it was clear that U25s reached their tolerance point and thought ‘f*** it’, while over 25s (if Facebook and Twitter we’re anything to go by) started socialising like Kate Moss in her heyday with every post including the standard (socially distancing of course!) nonsense.
Since then things have just steadily unwound. I think we’ll get lucky in the sense that the strain of the virus appears nowhere near as potent enough as it was 3 months ago (whether it’s just dying off or the weather has had an impact, I don’t know).
The boozy Bank Holiday weekend is now 24 days ago. We would have seen spikes up again by now imo if it was carrying the same potency.
When you get people back on mass in confined spaces I really don’t know though
Has there been any evidence or suggestion that it's dwindled in potency or mutated? Would be great news if the case.
But possibly the reason is for the past 12 weeks the vast majority of the country have been staying at home and/ or adhering to social distancing when shopping etc.
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I wish the young people would steer clear of me.
There have been 60,000 excess deaths in relation to about 300,000 positive tests (roughly).
If the population is 60 million then surely according to my rough maths we are looking at something like 500,000 deaths in total, or another 440,000 still to come, aren't we? Or aren't we if everything reverts to how it was previously from this month?
Second spike, eased lockdown changes in seasons and so on still to come.
If there is a way to reduce the excess deaths in the future I haven't seen how that's going to happen given the governance so far.
So to all the laissez-faire people out there, stay out of my face.0 -
Lot's of people on here, and elsewhere, would have you believe that it has been 'like a normal day' outside for weeks and weeks though.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Surely this bit I've bolded is largely to the fact that the vast majority of non selfish people and those who have been lucky enough to be able to work at home have abided by the lockdown spirit and therefore played a massive part in reducing transmission because perhaps only 5% of the population have been acting as normal (ie because either their job dictates so or they're just selfish/ ignorant and rules dont apply to them).AFKABartram said:Lockdown went about a month ago when it was clear that U25s reached their tolerance point and thought ‘f*** it’, while over 25s (if Facebook and Twitter we’re anything to go by) started socialising like Kate Moss in her heyday with every post including the standard (socially distancing of course!) nonsense.
Since then things have just steadily unwound. I think we’ll get lucky in the sense that the strain of the virus appears nowhere near as potent enough as it was 3 months ago (whether it’s just dying off or the weather has had an impact, I don’t know).
The boozy Bank Holiday weekend is now 24 days ago. We would have seen spikes up again by now imo if it was carrying the same potency.
When you get people back on mass in confined spaces I really don’t know though
Has there been any evidence or suggestion that it's dwindled in potency or mutated? Would be great news if the case.
But possibly the reason is for the past 12 weeks the vast majority of the country have been staying at home and/ or adhering to social distancing when shopping etc.
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The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.4 -
And the UK were never going to get there either.Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
It’s been relying on folks to stay on side & those in charge of dealing with it all knew it would only be a matter of time before little by little things unravelled (for whatever reason).
Stick to what’s safest for you & yours & just pray that’s enough.0 -
Have they done this? I tried to find some information on how Italy have used track and trace as its always interesting to compare, but could only see articles on how there app, which is centralised similar to ours, has not been released yet.Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2020/05/19/after-weeks-of-debate-italys-covid-19-contact-tracing-app-almost-ready-to-debut/amp/
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Not sure the numbers equate like that, the positive test number MASSIVELY underplays the number of people who have had the virus, as they weren't testedseth plum said:I wish the young people would steer clear of me.
There have been 60,000 excess deaths in relation to about 300,000 positive tests (roughly).
If the population is 60 million then surely according to my rough maths we are looking at something like 500,000 deaths in total, or another 440,000 still to come, aren't we? Or aren't we if everything reverts to how it was previously from this month?
Second spike, eased lockdown changes in seasons and so on still to come.
If there is a way to reduce the excess deaths in the future I haven't seen how that's going to happen given the governance so far.
So to all the laissez-faire people out there, stay out of my face.
Masses of people had the virus in March and April and were never tested as they just self isolated, and there will be even more people who've already had the virus and are completely unaware. None of the recent footballers testing positive had any symptoms2 -
Fair enough.
I am wrestling with the reality of the numbers as the information given out is confusing and often contradictory.
Mind you I am sure I have read about half a million deaths potentially.1 -
My sister in law has received several of these food parcels. She tried to stop them being delivered after the first one. They continued to be delivered and each time she went online to stop them, but she's still receiving them.jonseventyfive said:A food parcel arrived on our doorstep this morning (first time), my health is the reason so apparently I qualify, we are now trying to put a stop to more arriving or at least trying to divert/give it to somebody who needs it more ,also I'm now locked in for at least another two weeks, I'm totally confused by the current 'rules ' and I don't think I'm the only person .0 -
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Oh there’s no science or logic to my thought process :-:smile:Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
i just have it in my head there are varying degrees of strength/ potency with the viral load in circulation. If you look at it like a storm, then in March its winds were blowing in the UK at 100mph and causing mass destruction. It’s now at 60mph in the UK, still dangerous but not having so much of a severity impact.
All various parts of the world have had to deal with it in peak circulation at different strengths, which has largely accounted for the extremely varied death rates.
You can all laugh now...0 -
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-longer-clinically-exists-in-italy-top-doctor-says-11998608AFKABartram said:
Oh there’s no science or logic to my thought process :-:smile:Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
i just have it in my head there are varying degrees of strength/ potency with the viral load in circulation. If you look at it like a storm, then in March its winds were blowing in the UK at 100mph and causing mass destruction. It’s now at 60mph in the UK, still dangerous but not having so much of a severity impact.
All various parts of the world have had to deal with it in peak circulation at different strengths, which has largely accounted for the extremely varied death rates.
You can all laugh now...Perhaps there is some science if you believe this guy0 -
I hope you are right mateAFKABartram said:
Oh there’s no science or logic to my thought process :-:smile:Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
i just have it in my head there are varying degrees of strength/ potency with the viral load in circulation. If you look at it like a storm, then in March its winds were blowing in the UK at 100mph and causing mass destruction. It’s now at 60mph in the UK, still dangerous but not having so much of a severity impact.
All various parts of the world have had to deal with it in peak circulation at different strengths, which has largely accounted for the extremely varied death rates.
You can all laugh now...1 -
Would that make Michael Fish our prime minister?AFKABartram said:
Oh there’s no science or logic to my thought process :-:smile:Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
i just have it in my head there are varying degrees of strength/ potency with the viral load in circulation. If you look at it like a storm, then in March its winds were blowing in the UK at 100mph and causing mass destruction. It’s now at 60mph in the UK, still dangerous but not having so much of a severity impact.
All various parts of the world have had to deal with it in peak circulation at different strengths, which has largely accounted for the extremely varied death rates.
You can all laugh now...1 -
There's an awful lot we don't know about the virus, why some people are so badly affected, and indeed why some countries are so badly affectedAFKABartram said:
Oh there’s no science or logic to my thought process :-:smile:Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
i just have it in my head there are varying degrees of strength/ potency with the viral load in circulation. If you look at it like a storm, then in March its winds were blowing in the UK at 100mph and causing mass destruction. It’s now at 60mph in the UK, still dangerous but not having so much of a severity impact.
All various parts of the world have had to deal with it in peak circulation at different strengths, which has largely accounted for the extremely varied death rates.
You can all laugh now...
WHY has the death rate in the US, UK and several higher Western European countries been so much higher than in Albania, Algeria or Egypt, even allowing for the different age profile of the population? The figures may not be entirely comparable between countries, but sorting the numbers by the Deaths per 1m column really shows how badly Western Europe has been affected. Even Ireland has a higher death rate than the US
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Population density is a contributory factor in my opinion.killerandflash said:
There's an awful lot we don't know about the virus, why some people are so badly affected, and indeed why some countries are so badly affectedAFKABartram said:
Oh there’s no science or logic to my thought process :-:smile:Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
i just have it in my head there are varying degrees of strength/ potency with the viral load in circulation. If you look at it like a storm, then in March its winds were blowing in the UK at 100mph and causing mass destruction. It’s now at 60mph in the UK, still dangerous but not having so much of a severity impact.
All various parts of the world have had to deal with it in peak circulation at different strengths, which has largely accounted for the extremely varied death rates.
You can all laugh now...
WHY has the death rate in the US, UK and several higher Western European countries been so much higher than in Albania, Algeria or Egypt, even allowing for the different age profile of the population? The figures may not be entirely comparable between countries, but sorting the numbers by the Deaths per 1m column really shows how badly Western Europe has been affected. Even Ireland has a higher death rate than the US
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/1 -
As much as I think most of the country and its personal hygiene is disgusting and this pandemic has shone a bit of a light on that we are very sterile generally. Food in disinfected plastic, disinfectant on everything which has weakened our gut bacteria. Whereas enter Egypt stage left and Africa in general, trips to which demolish our weak western guts and liquidise our intestines and the locals all look as us, drained and crawling back to our hotel rooms to leak painful, oily jet black fluid into the can. And they must shake their heads as they lick their hands after swapping wads of grimy cash, eat with their paws to no ill effect at all and see us all manage to lose weight after shoving our piggish faces with whatever muck is served at the fly ridden buffetkillerandflash said:
There's an awful lot we don't know about the virus, why some people are so badly affected, and indeed why some countries are so badly affectedAFKABartram said:
Oh there’s no science or logic to my thought process :-:smile:Rothko said:The virus hasn't died off, the Italian thing mentioned earlier is that they've basically crushed the virus through a brutal lockdown and then tracing the thing into the floor.
We're no where near that.
i just have it in my head there are varying degrees of strength/ potency with the viral load in circulation. If you look at it like a storm, then in March its winds were blowing in the UK at 100mph and causing mass destruction. It’s now at 60mph in the UK, still dangerous but not having so much of a severity impact.
All various parts of the world have had to deal with it in peak circulation at different strengths, which has largely accounted for the extremely varied death rates.
You can all laugh now...
WHY has the death rate in the US, UK and several higher Western European countries been so much higher than in Albania, Algeria or Egypt, even allowing for the different age profile of the population? The figures may not be entirely comparable between countries, but sorting the numbers by the Deaths per 1m column really shows how badly Western Europe has been affected. Even Ireland has a higher death rate than the US
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/2 -
It is totally infuriating for those of us who live in Eynsford! The mobs have been descending every day of good weather. The ford (which I normally look at fondly and like seeing people enjoying themselves) has become a magnet for poor behaviour and idiocy. The local councillors and our MP are onto it but there can't be policing all the time. It is like people can't think for themselves and believe mob mentality will protect them. The ice cream van gets moved on and then returns a few minutes later! I despair and avoid the village centre.Lordflashheart said:We drove thru Eynsford yesterday to take dogs for walk - if any of you know The Plough pub by the ford, it has a largish area of grass opposite it by the river - there was an ice cream van parked up and the area was packed with people - as we drove past I looked and no way was the ability to even be 2 metres from other people
Lockdown is indeed gone
My sister is an A&E nurse - she tells me NHS is worried cases and deaths will start to rise again, and it’s preparing for the worst
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Have to say Eynsford village store and the butchers are great shops - love driving my Land Rover Defender thru the Ford - we walk the dogs at Lullingstone Castle - park exactly where the Police cordon was a few days ago when that poor man was murdered - agree that the people congregating outside the Plough are in the main a pretty unsavoury bunch - saw mini motorbikes being driven up and down recently outside the Plough !!!Eynsfordaddick said:
It is totally infuriating for those of us who live in Eynsford! The mobs have been descending every day of good weather. The ford (which I normally look at fondly and like seeing people enjoying themselves) has become a magnet for poor behaviour and idiocy. The local councillors and our MP are onto it but there can't be policing all the time. It is like people can't think for themselves and believe mob mentality will protect them. The ice cream van gets moved on and then returns a few minutes later! I despair and avoid the village centre.Lordflashheart said:We drove thru Eynsford yesterday to take dogs for walk - if any of you know The Plough pub by the ford, it has a largish area of grass opposite it by the river - there was an ice cream van parked up and the area was packed with people - as we drove past I looked and no way was the ability to even be 2 metres from other people
Lockdown is indeed gone
My sister is an A&E nurse - she tells me NHS is worried cases and deaths will start to rise again, and it’s preparing for the worst1 -
Mrs booked a return to UK from France (Bordeaux - Gatwick) for the 01/07 on Saturday, all went through no problem, message first thing yesterday morning that flight has been cancelled. So that's BA now holding £60 credit to re-book and Ryan Air holing £55 credit to re-book from the original booking (no chance at all of getting dough back from RA, so we gave up). You are now able to book flights for this same route from BA from the 09/07 onwards. The fact they're accepting bookings for dates they have had no autherisation to fly on, then cancelling the following day, leaves me wondering if they're selling tickets to keep thier heads above water now, then soaking up the loss when people use their credit later in the year? Otherwise, why wouldn't they cancel the flight a couple of days before, when they're sure the border is definitely not going to open?
We have no problem with the rules being put in place by the Governments, but reckon the airlines are trying it on a bit0
