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The greatest show on turf Cheltenham 2020 thread
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One person who won’t be happy for It Came To Pass winning the 4.10 is the ITV7 punter who had 6/6 going into the final race.
He’d picked Billaway and had the favourite landed he would have been £250k richer.1 -
Been too busy with work this week to look at anything, so scanned @PaddyP17
tips and had a nibble on Harry Senior and Delta Work.
I’ll be looking for a new Punters Pal, pal!!2 -
I would of layed billaway for £30000 on betfairstackitsteve said:One person who won’t be happy for It Came To Pass winning the 4.10 is the ITV7 punter who had 6/6 going into the final race.
He’d picked Billaway and had the favourite landed he would have been £250k richer.1 -
awful penultimate jump from EdB there, but had him e/w so got bit to play with on the last race of the day.0
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Not much he was able to do when Jan Maat comes right across him though - cramped for room and did relatively well to stay on. Don't think he'd have won against Chosen Mate who was just travelling so strongly thoughCroydon said:awful penultimate jump from EdB there, but had him e/w so got bit to play with on the last race of the day.1 -
Fuck me, the brits have won
Cheers everyone - brilliant thread as always. Some great racing, some brilliant tipping. Many congrats, especially to @Gravesend_Addick
and @PaddyP17 (apologies if I overlooked another star).
From the sublime to the ridiculolus, the Midlands National tomorrow ..... maybe.1 -
Column of fire 😩0
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Me too. Sums up my day.Croydon said:Column of fire 😩0 -
Colomn of fire would've won easily there. Gutted.
Still smashed it this week5 -
Had The Bosses Oscar who finished from a mile off to grab 5th. Was last with 2 to jump.4
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Gosheen bombs at last same with column of fire, harry Cobden gave greenetean nothing short of a shitter of a ride.Still up for the week so happy with it - just next year won’t bet on the Friday poxy day0
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Incredibly unlucky. In all the years that I've been watching racing I don't recall ever seeing that happen.Callumcafc said:
At least the Moore's have the consolation of having a bloody good horse on their hands.0 -
A case of what might have been with Sharjah and Aramon both 2nd and Monalee running huge race despite being cut up 4 out.PolzeathNick said:Had a few bets but don't tend to get too involved antepost these days with so many mad place terms come the day.
A WAVE OF THE SEA (Triumph Hurdle) - was really impresses with him earlier in the season but then went off boil a bit (maybe plot for Fred Winter tbf) but came back last time out. Think Triumph will really suit over the new course.
ARAMON (County) - had been chipping away at him at three fig prices for the Champion but seems likely to go for the County now. Thought he'd get a mark in the 150s but gets in on 149 which underestimates him by about a stone.
SHARJAH (Champion) - put up best performance of season at Xmas but blew out last time (maybe feeling affects of previous run?) needs to bounce back but feel he is the best hurdler around.
MONALEE (Gold Cup) - this to me at prices right now is the bet of the meeting. Has quite a similar profile to Don Cossack going RSA, Ryanair then here. Was so unlucky at Xmas and can be marked up for that run having gone really hard mid race and then Rachael losing her irons after the last. Form franked next time out with Delta Work winning and beating the same horses again. I like the straight to Cheltenham prep from Xmas, and whilst there is a question mark on stamina, in his pedigree he should love it being by Milan out of a half sister to a Thyestes winner. He's beaten Al Boum Photo before, and was all the rage in his novice season. 25/1 is an absolutely crazy price.
MISTER FISHER (Arkle) - seems like he'll go for JLT, which as a 50/1 backer for the Arkle will be a sickener!
Oh well....on to Aintree....if it goes ahead!0 -
Goshen and Shishkin could both be monsters both are 6/1 to win any race next year
Lostintranslation 16/1 to win next years gold cup1 -
You could also throw Epatante in the mix, all three very exciting prospects.0
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Paddy we will rely on you to find us another novice to put the house on
cheers all for making this an enjoyable week, 366 days to go to 2021 which is a week later next year 2 -
Gavin Sheehan, the rider of Saint Calvados, was suspended for 4 days for using his whip above the permitted level from approaching the final fence. Daryl Jacob, the rider of Fusil Raffles, was suspended for 5 days for using his whip when out of contention after jumping the final hurdle.
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/54592/use-of-the-whip-in-british-horseracing
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Do give it a rest. You must be so disappointed that so few horses died during Cheltenham. It has to be a very strange position to be in where you are advocating animal welfare but are hoping for horses to die so that you can bang your drum.Anna_Kissed said:Gavin Sheehan, the rider of Saint Calvados, was suspended for 4 days for using his whip above the permitted level from approaching the final fence. Daryl Jacob, the rider of Fusil Raffles, was suspended for 5 days for using his whip when out of contention after jumping the final hurdle.
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/54592/use-of-the-whip-in-british-horseracing
It really is very sick.12 -
That said, I think whip sanctions are too lenient. I seem to recall Peanuts and possibly others of this parish, as well as AP McCoy, thinking on similar lines.superclive98 said:
Do give it a rest. You must be so disappointed that so few horses died during Cheltenham. It has to be a very strange position to be in where you are advocating animal welfare but are hoping for horses to die so that you can bang your drum.Anna_Kissed said:Gavin Sheehan, the rider of Saint Calvados, was suspended for 4 days for using his whip above the permitted level from approaching the final fence. Daryl Jacob, the rider of Fusil Raffles, was suspended for 5 days for using his whip when out of contention after jumping the final hurdle.
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/54592/use-of-the-whip-in-british-horseracing
It really is very sick.
A total ban on reminders would be unhelpful when you rely on the whip for correction too.
Also, the petition cites Norway of all places, where without use of the whip, electric shock treatment is known to have been administered!
There is definitely a discussion to be had here on the whip, but the fact always remains that it does not hurt.1 - Sponsored links:
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I think that you are a little contradictory there. You say that you think that whip sanctions are too lenient but then you also say that the whip doesn't hurt.PaddyP17 said:
That said, I think whip sanctions are too lenient. I seem to recall Peanuts and possibly others of this parish, as well as AP McCoy, thinking on similar lines.superclive98 said:
Do give it a rest. You must be so disappointed that so few horses died during Cheltenham. It has to be a very strange position to be in where you are advocating animal welfare but are hoping for horses to die so that you can bang your drum.Anna_Kissed said:Gavin Sheehan, the rider of Saint Calvados, was suspended for 4 days for using his whip above the permitted level from approaching the final fence. Daryl Jacob, the rider of Fusil Raffles, was suspended for 5 days for using his whip when out of contention after jumping the final hurdle.
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/54592/use-of-the-whip-in-british-horseracing
It really is very sick.
A total ban on reminders would be unhelpful when you rely on the whip for correction too.
Also, the petition cites Norway of all places, where without use of the whip, electric shock treatment is known to have been administered!
There is definitely a discussion to be had here on the whip, but the fact always remains that it does not hurt.
I think that the more that you give in to these people the more they want.
If the whip doesn't hurt and I agree that it doesn't, then all it is is the perception. I would much rather racing spent more time defending the sport than worrying about the sensibilities of these people who won't be happy until all racing is banned and explain/prove to them the fact that the whip doesn't hurt.
If the shop is banned then it will be the thin end of the wedge and they will move onto something else to attack racing.
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No I'm not. The whip is used to elicit a response from the sound, and not inflicting physical pain. It effectively "startles" the horse into moving quicker, essentially, while the sensation of whip on flank will also provide a (non-painful) jolt.superclive98 said:
I think that you are a little contradictory there. You say that you think that whip sanctions are too lenient but then you also say that the whip doesn't hurt.PaddyP17 said:
That said, I think whip sanctions are too lenient. I seem to recall Peanuts and possibly others of this parish, as well as AP McCoy, thinking on similar lines.superclive98 said:
Do give it a rest. You must be so disappointed that so few horses died during Cheltenham. It has to be a very strange position to be in where you are advocating animal welfare but are hoping for horses to die so that you can bang your drum.Anna_Kissed said:Gavin Sheehan, the rider of Saint Calvados, was suspended for 4 days for using his whip above the permitted level from approaching the final fence. Daryl Jacob, the rider of Fusil Raffles, was suspended for 5 days for using his whip when out of contention after jumping the final hurdle.
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/54592/use-of-the-whip-in-british-horseracing
It really is very sick.
A total ban on reminders would be unhelpful when you rely on the whip for correction too.
Also, the petition cites Norway of all places, where without use of the whip, electric shock treatment is known to have been administered!
There is definitely a discussion to be had here on the whip, but the fact always remains that it does not hurt.
I think that the more that you give in to these people the more they want.
If the whip doesn't hurt and I agree that it doesn't, then all it is is the perception. I would much rather racing spent more time defending the sport than worrying about the sensibilities of these people who won't be happy until all racing is banned and explain/prove to them the fact that the whip doesn't hurt.
If the shop is banned then it will be the thin end of the wedge and they will move onto something else to attack racing.
The perception of whip use really needs to be changed: if ITV Racing, instead of playing the same recorded BHA welfare spiel every meeting, in fact provided context on the whip, then that would be a bit more effective.1 -
Oh - to expand on what I said - over-use of the whip is a problem because to continually urge a horse is detrimental to its health, of course, as they will try and respond most of the time. So if you're continually cracking the whip, you risk overexertion.1
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superclive98 said:
Do give it a rest. You must be so disappointed that so few horses died during Cheltenham. It has to be a very strange position to be in where you are advocating animal welfare but are hoping for horses to die so that you can bang your drum.Anna_Kissed said:Gavin Sheehan, the rider of Saint Calvados, was suspended for 4 days for using his whip above the permitted level from approaching the final fence. Daryl Jacob, the rider of Fusil Raffles, was suspended for 5 days for using his whip when out of contention after jumping the final hurdle.
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/54592/use-of-the-whip-in-british-horseracing
It really is very sick.
I am certainly not 'disappointed'. Others have declared that I must HOPE for horses to die. This is preposterous and, of course, untrue. Yet, like the troubled @Killer Kish, you see fit to call me 'very sick'.
I will not be bullied into feeling unable to present my opinions. I have asked some pertinent questions about regulations and the conduct of some jockeys. Nobody has responded to those questions.
As you know, I have, previously, established threads about opposition to horseracing. My wish was, initially, to engage on the 'Sport of Kings' thread - as part of a discussion. But this was not to be. The insults flew.
In response, I established, somewhat reluctantly, a separate thread. I wished it to provide an alternative viewpoint. The result? More abuse.
I could, were I to have the time, do this all year round - there is plenty to report - but this is impractical. My comments, for the most part, concern Cheltenham and Aintree.
A thread that I started in 2019 was deliberately 'sunk' by a moderator so that any additional comment would not be seen by others. That amounts to censorship and is the way of the coward.
I am, of course, annoyed at the attempts of others to censor me, but take heart from my own resilience and the certainty that things are changing in society, whereby the welfare of the horse will, albeit slowly, be improved. The driver for this is not altruism within the racing authorities. The BHA has been prodded into action by a rising tide of criticism from welfarists. There is plenty to criticise.
Ignore me when it suits, and lay into me with insulting jibes when it suits. I take heart that things are changing and I remain confident that they will continue to change.3 -
Your LOLs speak volumes about you, @PeanutsMolloy1
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What is your ultimate goal? To get horse racing abolished?0
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.Anna_Kissed said:Your LOLs speak volumes about you, @PeanutsMolloy
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I wish to see reform that further reduces injury and death. The cessation of jump racing would go some way to realsing this. I consider the betting on races unsavoury, too.iaitch said:What is your ultimate goal? To get horse racing abolished?
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Anna kissed I have come back with facts that prove you are wrong at times but you never respond to them so how can you say that no one engages with you.I do remember some time back I asked you a question about what you do around your beliefs and you answered to which I commended you on but you then handed some not to nice answer back which was not needed.So don’t play the victim saying you always get abuse.1
