Times like this we all need to stick together support the team and just hope we can scrape out of it . Problem is I think a lot of players know they wont be at the club next season whatever league we are in and its showing in there performances
The fans have been behind the players but ultimately it's hard to ignore their shortcomings. Their is no continuity in our team selection and we just look disjointed.
We've scraped a few wins but haven't really looked convincing. I'm not sure blind optimism will keep us up?
Of course blind optimism won't keep us up, but neither will wibble bitching.
I have always looked at long distance away games as a day out on the piss with my mates and family with some football in the middle, which more often than not, is a bit of inconvenience. If away fans this season aren’t finding some pleasure in the pub beforehand or the train journey either side and are only trekking to Huddersfield, Sheffield, Middlesbrough etc to watch the game then they must be having a really bad time....
saw saw all this coming months ago when ESI took over.
Lets face it they have taken a punt, don’t own the ground, don’t own the training ground, have some twat ranting about how great the January window was and are apparently still doing due diligence.
Give me a break, wake up and smell the coffee people if we go down we won’t see them for dust come August.
Jesus, the state of some of you. You wouldn't think we were recovering from having one of the worst owners in the history of English football would you? It's not been three months since they took over, mid-season to find a club in administrative disarray, with a squad ravaged by injury and a wage budget of spiderwebs. You can't rebuild a team in January, and this was always going to be a difficult half season regardless of who we brought in because the team's confidence had taken such a battering during our injury run. We also lost our best player who was, due to the fact he was a Premier League teenager on loan, irreplaceable. We've taken a bit of a punt this window in relying on the players we already have and we still have ten games to see if it worked. In the meantime shrieking about how you know the intentions of the ownership and calling the chairman a twat after they've barely been in place for five minutes is insane. Calm down and grow up. I look forward to the future when we're a ways past the Roland years and we stop talking about everything in terms of who the owners are and what they're up to. We're in bad form. Bowyer is in bad form. It doesn't matter if we spend £10m in a window if the player are making schoolboy errors and the coaching staff are setting up differently and badly every game. We need to win a few football matches, and hope that those wins are more than the teams below us, it's as simple as that.
This is now a 10 game season,we have Boro and Hull,next up,minimum 4 points required,this could all change very quickly,keep the faith,most of all keep singing.
Green, Doughty, McGeady and Oztumer were awful. Only Matthews and Cullen who started had decent games. Went with the diamond but lost every second ball, massively missing Pratley in the middle. Oshilija played ok but made mistakes which cost us. Lapslie runs but lacks quality.
Not replacing Gallagher is going to cost us, Smith was obviously a pointless signing.
I’m not calling for Bowyer out but he needs to up his game because I can’t see how we get out of this after this week.
Think we need to differentiate a bit those of us afar following games from our front rooms and those who’ve put the miles in Wednesday or yesterday (or both in lots of cases).
In my eyes those have a lot more slack in being reactive and thoroughly peed off.
This is now a 10 game season,we have Boro and Hull,next up,minimum 4 points required,this could all change very quickly,keep the faith,most of all keep singing.
I recall going to Hull, in protest against Roland, wearing a Roland Rat mask. We lost 6-0. I remember that season our away song was "We're the Charlton, the mighty Charlton, we never win away!" Let's hope we can get our form improved against Boro, as at present after watching two games in four days, like Fanny, I'm not feeling the joy of going to Hull to watch this level of football at £33 entry.
I have always looked at long distance away games as a day out on the piss with my mates and family with some football in the middle, which more often than not, is a bit of inconvenience. If away fans this season aren’t finding some pleasure in the pub beforehand or the train journey either side and are only trekking to Huddersfield, Sheffield, Middlesbrough etc to watch the game then they must be having a really bad time....
Its the booze, mates and day out that keeps me sane. I try to blur out the football.
pwrihHTpyc poatingmwithoutrwadingibavehadrebpimtsyoucunts wake upmsmelll the coffee we are shit cuntwank and itespathwtic beyond belief
Pissed = 80% Stoned = 15% Sectioned = 5%
100% pissed good old Charlton life me and Mrs wondering when we got in approx 1.20 then she would be in bed wanting action im on toilet having a shit and on CL, is there a sadder twunt on this earth
At the game. Poor first half. Too defensive and didnt /don't play a pressing game. Second half gave it a go but didn't have the confidence, quality and staying power. Huddesfield fan in the pub b4 the game told me if you let us play we are dangerous but can't finish. Well us digging out Grant solved that, think that worked against us!! The real problem is the quality of the squad, lack of confidence, belief and today lack of fight. I believe Lee and Jacko are right for the club. Have felt for a long time that it would be good to get some experienced advice to support them. Accept that it sounds easy to say it now. I want us to stick with them though. Genuinely not sure if a better shape / gameplan can get us to survive. I am not sure Lee knows what to do. Or is it the quality of the squad that will be our undoing thanks to Roland and a shite January window. Interesting chat with 'town' supporter in the pub. They still have many premiership tourist supporters who think they are total shit this season he says he tries to explain that this relegation fight is what being a town supporter involves and has to live with from time to time. Wise words and rings bells. He has a seriously debilitating disease but was so positive in general so gives me perspective on a shite day. Yes we have rid ourselves almost and hopefully of Roland. Jury is out on ESI and Southall etc. Ever the glass half full Charlton supporter. Shit day Coyr!
I have always been a Glass half Empty fan for over 50 years since I first went to the valley as a tiny boy with my dad. I do think that Lee Bowyer and JJ do know how to keep us up !! COYR.
And you probably supported the Fraeye appointment.
What the F—K does that mean
Probably Supported Fraeye appointed ?
“ obviously life here Jim but not as we know it “ 😂😂😂
This is the pitiful truth. We can’t pass the ball accurately. We
can’t control the ball properly. And in possession, we are
dullards.
Watch closely, and
each pass is just slightly wrong for the runner: he has to check or
divert for the ball. Which he can’t control cleanly. Those two
touches are enough for our opponents to pounce, and seize possession.
Watch our player
with ball at feet, approaching the box. You can see him stuttering,
mentally frozen – what should I do? The ball is lost.
The greatest
pleasure this season is admiring the fluency of our opponents, the
way they pass and move from defence to attack. Brentford, Swansea,
Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, West Brom and others. Quick moves,
instinctive runs, carving space, shooting at goal.
That is beyond our
technical ability. We are ponderous, slow, cautious. Incapable.
Yet, fellow Lifers
will recall the first 30 minutes at home against Forest back in
August. We were on fire, rapid and incisive: cutting in attack.
That should be the benchmark, the way to play. Our best opponents do
all that naturally, smoothly, routinely, every single game.
Since then, we in
the Covered End have watched, aghast, many second halves with us not
making a single shot at goal. That is pathetic.
Our defence is a
shambles. Even with injuries cured, we have no effective midfield.
We are physically weak – Oztumer and Cullen are brushed off the
ball – simply unable to win a tackle and thread a pass from here to
there. No movement from the strikers; Taylor is muscling for
possession far out wide when he should be in the box, served by a
cross he’ll never receive.
We have an attacking
throw-in. You can see the mental cogs grinding: what should I do?
He throws it back to midfield – and back to our keeper. Who hoofs
it out of play.
Come on, for God’s
sake. Learn from our skilful, flowing, winning opponents. We are
dull, frozen men: a regiment of shadows. Those hopeless loans! I
have no interest in the platitudes of our new owners, no interest in
their homely Tweets, nor their prudent purse or vacuous five-year
plan.
It is stark and
simple. They should spend money on skilful players, tough and
intelligent men: players capable of bursting the net at the Covered
End.
Playing out from Phillips with Pearce and Oshilaja didn't work from kick-off but we didn't adapt and mix styles, persisted with it, gifted them a goal. No idea what Lapslie was thinking with the pass back to Oshilaja.
We were dreadful in the first 45. Couldn't or didn't want to get out of our own half. No width, no urgency or direct or explosive play on the counter. Lucky not be three or four down at the interval with some of the opportunities Huddersfield had.
Second half, much better with Williams, should have at least equalised. Another sloppy goal with 15 minutes left and they just killed us off on the counter.
Other thoughts, god do I feel for Dillon playing behind that back four.
Pearce is nowhere near good enough, neither is Oshilaja. Doughty isn't a left back, we need to let Matthews get forward more.
Lapslie isn't good enough.
Bonne and Taylor need to start upfront together. Williams has to start.
I think yesterday was the last straw for bowyer with some of the players. He referred to it now being time for men.
I suspect this means Purrington for Doughty. Also if fit Pratley and Davis with binning of McGeady and less usage of Oztumer especially away from home. Also think he realises there is no place for light weight Smith.
My view is next Saturday is crucial. A win followed by a draw at Hull gives us a good chance of survival. Including v us Hull only have 4 of the last 10 at home. Think if they fall to beat us they will go down,
This blaming ESI thing is getting a little annoying now. There is little to no quality in the january window as clubs dont want to panic buy a replacement if they sell. McAntony slapped 12mill on Toney....if we paid that for him people would do there nut!
This squad is pretty much the squad who started the season in blistering form with some addtions. The team seem to be bereft of confidence and its starting to show. LB and JJ have a big job to do now. This team CAN do it but they need kick up the arse. Simple as that.
Although this season is looking to be heading south, we need to remember that we started with a threadbare squad and a budget dwarfed by many others in the league, even if early results gave us a false sense of security. The new owners can't be expected to turn things round overnight so even when they came in the rest of the campaign was going to be hard. And at least Duchatalet has gone, so it really it could be a hell of a lot worse.
The first sentance i agree with you 100%
Then it goes tits up Duchatalet still owns The Valley and training ground.
One thing keeps coming back to me i read on CL a quote from Roland which was said just after ESI took control of the club........ENJOY THE MOMENT......
Is Roland still dealing the cards .
Bowyer is good enough to get Charlton out of this mess once again, but its the men that sit in the boardroom we have to worry about once again.
Yesterday was easily the most annoyed I've been after a game this season, first half we should've been a few goals down but luckily we weren't. First 25mins of the second half we were on top but our failure to capitalise on chances cost us. Once the second goal went in heads began to drop. It was the first time this season I'd noticed players bickering between one another, I'm hoping this is stamped out asap.
The saving grace is that all the teams around us have had amazing months and we're still out of the relegation zone, hopefully this form won't continue.
The fans have been behind the players but ultimately it's hard to ignore their shortcomings. Their is no continuity in our team selection and we just look disjointed.
We've scraped a few wins but haven't really looked convincing. I'm not sure blind optimism will keep us up?
Of course blind optimism won't keep us up, but neither will wibble bitching.
The fans will get behind the team and the players will do their best - let's hope it's enough.
Yesterday was easily the most annoyed I've been after a game this season, first half we should've been a few goals down but luckily we weren't. First 25mins of the second half we were on top but our failure to capitalise on chances cost us. Once the second goal went in heads began to drop. It was the first time this season I'd noticed players bickering between one another, I'm hoping this is stamped out asap.
The saving grace is that all the teams around us have had amazing months and we're still out of the relegation zone, hopefully this form won't continue.
I felt the same about the whole thing - annoyed!
We're not the best team in the world and we were certainly outplayed yesterday but we are usually in with a shout.
And then comes the basic error and general unprofessionalism.
OK mistakes happen but they seem to keep happening game after game.
Not using this as an excuse in any shape or form but the vast improvement of some of the teams that were (and still are), below us recently is surely almost unprecedented....they have all given themselves a chance now with vastly improved results.....whereas, at such a critical moment, we have unquestionably gone pear shaped. I realise I’m stating the bleeding obvious but it is most unusual that they should ALL be on the up.
This is the pitiful truth. We can’t pass the ball accurately. We
can’t control the ball properly. And in possession, we are
dullards.
Watch closely, and
each pass is just slightly wrong for the runner: he has to check or
divert for the ball. Which he can’t control cleanly. Those two
touches are enough for our opponents to pounce, and seize possession.
Watch our player
with ball at feet, approaching the box. You can see him stuttering,
mentally frozen – what should I do? The ball is lost.
The greatest
pleasure this season is admiring the fluency of our opponents, the
way they pass and move from defence to attack. Brentford, Swansea,
Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, West Brom and others. Quick moves,
instinctive runs, carving space, shooting at goal.
That is beyond our
technical ability. We are ponderous, slow, cautious. Incapable.
Yet, fellow Lifers
will recall the first 30 minutes at home against Forest back in
August. We were on fire, rapid and incisive: cutting in attack.
That should be the benchmark, the way to play. Our best opponents do
all that naturally, smoothly, routinely, every single game.
Since then, we in
the Covered End have watched, aghast, many second halves with us not
making a single shot at goal. That is pathetic.
Our defence is a
shambles. Even with injuries cured, we have no effective midfield.
We are physically weak – Oztumer and Cullen are brushed off the
ball – simply unable to win a tackle and thread a pass from here to
there. No movement from the strikers; Taylor is muscling for
possession far out wide when he should be in the box, served by a
cross he’ll never receive.
We have an attacking
throw-in. You can see the mental cogs grinding: what should I do?
He throws it back to midfield – and back to our keeper. Who hoofs
it out of play.
Come on, for God’s
sake. Learn from our skilful, flowing, winning opponents. We are
dull, frozen men: a regiment of shadows. Those hopeless loans! I
have no interest in the platitudes of our new owners, no interest in
their homely Tweets, nor their prudent purse or vacuous five-year
plan.
It is stark and
simple. They should spend money on skilful players, tough and
intelligent men: players capable of bursting the net at the Covered
End.
A typical football fan reaction. There are no grey areas with many fans. We're either going to win promotion/make the play offs or we're going down.
I was saying for months that we were in a false position. Many fans said we weren't, that there was no teams much better than us. I agreed back then, but countered that there were also no teams much worse than us.
A few weeks ago the majority of Wigan, Barnsley and Luton fans thought they were down. I doubt many of their fans expected the ridiculous turnarounds that they have seen.
There are 10 games to go, it's going to be tight (it always was). If us fans give 100% vocal support to our team and put some pressure on the officials (always works for Millwall), we can get out of this.
I'll be shouting the boys on louder than ever. They really need us right now. Anything is possible.
What's grim is that after drawing at Barnsley in August, we've since lost at Wigan, Luton, Boro, Stoke and Huddersfield, and all with terrible performances. The sort of away games which we ought to be getting points from, the crucial 6 pointers, we're consistently losing. It's putting massive pressure on our home form
This is exactly why the fans total vocal backing may just make the difference.
The players have had great backing at away games, with little return...
Yes, but I'm talking about 16,000 getting totally behind the team and screaming for every decision.
Fans will find it difficult with players who don’t seen to care. I suspect Bowyer knows this too and I would be surprised to see McGeady again. I think our midfield is the worst in the league now Gallagher is gone. A fit Williams and the return of Pratley should help. In a back 4 Doughty cannot play left back. Hopefully the defence can hold out and Taylor and Bonne can score enough goals but I’m doubtful because of the service. We lack creativity, Oztumer and McGeady just don’t cut it.
We lacked physical presence yesterday, and looked very lightweight in midfield. Cullen, Oztumer, McGeady and Lapslie isn't exactly a midfield which will impose itself physically
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Problem is I think a lot of players know they wont be at the club next season whatever league we are in and its showing in there performances
Not replacing Gallagher is going to cost us, Smith was obviously a pointless signing.
In my eyes those have a lot more slack in being reactive and thoroughly peed off.
Salute you all.
I try to blur out the football.
good old Charlton life
me and Mrs wondering when we got in
approx 1.20 then
she would be in bed wanting action
im on toilet having a shit and on CL, is there a sadder twunt on this earth
Probably Supported Fraeye appointed ?
“ obviously life here Jim but not as we know it “
😂😂😂
This is the pitiful truth. We can’t pass the ball accurately. We can’t control the ball properly. And in possession, we are dullards.
Watch closely, and each pass is just slightly wrong for the runner: he has to check or divert for the ball. Which he can’t control cleanly. Those two touches are enough for our opponents to pounce, and seize possession.
Watch our player with ball at feet, approaching the box. You can see him stuttering, mentally frozen – what should I do? The ball is lost.
The greatest pleasure this season is admiring the fluency of our opponents, the way they pass and move from defence to attack. Brentford, Swansea, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, West Brom and others. Quick moves, instinctive runs, carving space, shooting at goal.
That is beyond our technical ability. We are ponderous, slow, cautious. Incapable.
Yet, fellow Lifers will recall the first 30 minutes at home against Forest back in August. We were on fire, rapid and incisive: cutting in attack. That should be the benchmark, the way to play. Our best opponents do all that naturally, smoothly, routinely, every single game.
Since then, we in the Covered End have watched, aghast, many second halves with us not making a single shot at goal. That is pathetic.
Our defence is a shambles. Even with injuries cured, we have no effective midfield. We are physically weak – Oztumer and Cullen are brushed off the ball – simply unable to win a tackle and thread a pass from here to there. No movement from the strikers; Taylor is muscling for possession far out wide when he should be in the box, served by a cross he’ll never receive.
We have an attacking throw-in. You can see the mental cogs grinding: what should I do? He throws it back to midfield – and back to our keeper. Who hoofs it out of play.
Come on, for God’s sake. Learn from our skilful, flowing, winning opponents. We are dull, frozen men: a regiment of shadows. Those hopeless loans! I have no interest in the platitudes of our new owners, no interest in their homely Tweets, nor their prudent purse or vacuous five-year plan.
It is stark and simple. They should spend money on skilful players, tough and intelligent men: players capable of bursting the net at the Covered End.
We were dreadful in the first 45. Couldn't or didn't want to get out of our own half. No width, no urgency or direct or explosive play on the counter. Lucky not be three or four down at the interval with some of the opportunities Huddersfield had.
Second half, much better with Williams, should have at least equalised. Another sloppy goal with 15 minutes left and they just killed us off on the counter.
Other thoughts, god do I feel for Dillon playing behind that back four.
Pearce is nowhere near good enough, neither is Oshilaja. Doughty isn't a left back, we need to let Matthews get forward more.
Lapslie isn't good enough.
Bonne and Taylor need to start upfront together. Williams has to start.
I suspect this means Purrington for Doughty. Also if fit Pratley and Davis with binning of McGeady and less usage of Oztumer especially away from home. Also think he realises there is no place for light weight Smith.
My view is next Saturday is crucial. A win followed by a draw at Hull gives us a good chance of survival. Including v us Hull only have 4 of the last 10 at home. Think if they fall to beat us they will go down,
This squad is pretty much the squad who started the season in blistering form with some addtions. The team seem to be bereft of confidence and its starting to show. LB and JJ have a big job to do now. This team CAN do it but they need kick up the arse. Simple as that.
It was the first time this season I'd noticed players bickering between one another, I'm hoping this is stamped out asap.
The saving grace is that all the teams around us have had amazing months and we're still out of the relegation zone, hopefully this form won't continue.
We're not the best team in the world and we were certainly outplayed yesterday but we are usually in with a shout.
And then comes the basic error and general unprofessionalism.
OK mistakes happen but they seem to keep happening game after game.
I realise I’m stating the bleeding obvious but it is most unusual that they should ALL be on the up.
Yes I think the deadline for 10 bookings is after next Saturday.