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Most overrated films
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Abso-bloody-lutely. "White man saves jazz" - it's a complete and utter screw you to a genre that Damien Chazelle blatantly only half-remembers in terms of jazz pastiche.Karim_myBagheri said:La la land
Even worse, and I'd forgotten to mention it - Whiplash. It's a sports film dressed up as a music film. It's a great film but it's absolutely not representative of jazz and it really, really gets to me. (Where are the jam sessions? Why is JK Simmons allowed to drive Miles Teller to this sort of thing? No drummer would punch their snare which likely cost them a few hundred quid! So on, so forth) Adam Neely sums it up for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFYBVGdB7MU
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I find it suffers from the David lynch Eraserhead syndrome of "if I don't say how great it is all the arty farty types and industry people will laugh at me"kentaddick said:As a cinephile I really should’ve known this thread would’ve raised my blood pressure a bit..!
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Is one of the best films ever made, simply because the first time you watch it, you think “eh, don’t know what all the fuss is about”. But it’s one of the only films that gets funnier and funnier the more times you watch it. I quote it with my colleagues all the time.The Big Lebowski
It's good and I've watched it a few times (my missus loves it) but it doesn't have me reaching for a pack of tissues and wanking myself silly over.
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I reckon so.ValleyGary said:Wowwwwww, The Dark Knight overrated?!!!1 -
Yeah, as a Coenhead, it's quite far down on my list of their films.CL_Phantom said:
I find it suffers from the David lynch Eraserhead syndrome of "if I don't say how great it is all the arty farty types and industry people will laugh at me"kentaddick said:As a cinephile I really should’ve known this thread would’ve raised my blood pressure a bit..!
yCL_Phantom said:
Is one of the best films ever made, simply because the first time you watch it, you think “eh, don’t know what all the fuss is about”. But it’s one of the only films that gets funnier and funnier the more times you watch it. I quote it with my colleagues all the time.The Big Lebowski
It's good and I've watched it a few times (my missus loves it) but it doesn't have me reaching for a pack of tissues and wanking myself silly over.
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Horrible Bosses. Even if the entire population of the world thought it was shit, it would still be overrated0
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Forrest Gump. It doesn't matter how stupid you are if you follow the Merican way of life you can achieve the Merican dream. What BS.
It has a running time of one hour forty two minutes. They could have improved it enormously by editing out one hour forty one and a half minutes and leaving the few bars of Hendrix in the middle.1 -
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I get equally irritated by people taking Whiplash too seriously. Its not about jazz. It’s not a documentary. It’s no more responsible for being accurate with jazz or playing in a band than Mighty Ducks is to ice hockey or Escape to Victory is to football.PaddyP17 said:
Abso-bloody-lutely. "White man saves jazz" - it's a complete and utter screw you to a genre that Damien Chazelle blatantly only half-remembers in terms of jazz pastiche.Karim_myBagheri said:La la land
Even worse, and I'd forgotten to mention it - Whiplash. It's a sports film dressed up as a music film. It's a great film but it's absolutely not representative of jazz and it really, really gets to me. (Where are the jam sessions? Why is JK Simmons allowed to drive Miles Teller to this sort of thing? No drummer would punch their snare which likely cost them a few hundred quid! So on, so forth) Adam Neely sums it up for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFYBVGdB7MUThe only people who get pissed off at Whiplash are musicians, which to me says a lot!To be fair I think you get that reaction when any expert watches a movie on the subject matter they love.3 -
Dirty Grandpa - not sure anyone rated it but a horrible film0
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A beautiful day in the Neighbourhood. Probably only means something to those in the States who grew up with Mr Rogers. I found it predictable, slow and a bit creepy.0
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If we're going down that route, I give you TED.GarryNelsonsFiat said:Dirty Grandpa - not sure anyone rated it but a horrible film0 -
American Beauty.One of two decent scenes sandwiches around an over-wrought script and echo chamber message.1
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Empire Strikes Back
only decent compared to the pure shit released since but on its own, a “meh” movie at best.1 -
1. Titanic would rather have gone down with the ship that watched that tripe.
2. Dunkirk- if you are that skilful at making films and have a multi million dollar budget please invest in a short book on World War Two
3. Once upon a time in Hollywood- the longest and most pointless beer commercial in the history of cinema.
4. Shape of Water- pretentious nonsense.
(BTW- Loved American Beauty , Easy Rider and Apocalypse Now all of which would probably make by top 20 movies of all time)
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Once Upon A Time In Hollywood... worst critically acclaimed movie of 2019. Take away the great opening scene of "Inglorious Basterds," and you can throw that one in the over-rated pile, as well.
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Anchorman. I mean, it's enjoyable and amusing, but the way some people go on about it like it's the funniest film ever... It isn't.
Seperately, Seth Rogan, whilst I quite liked Knocked Up, isn't funny unless you are14
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Apocalypse Now!! If you have a multi million dollar budget please invest in a decent book about the Vietnam war!grumpyaddick said:1. Titanic would rather have gone down with the ship that watched that tripe.
2. Dunkirk- if you are that skilful at making films and have a multi million dollar budget please invest in a short book on World War Two
3. Once upon a time in Hollywood- the longest and most pointless beer commercial in the history of cinema.
4. Shape of Water- pretentious nonsense.
(BTW- Loved American Beauty , Easy Rider and Apocalypse Now all of which would probably make by top 20 movies of all time)
I do agree with you about Dunkirk though.0 -
Im a massive Nolan fan and i agree Dunkirk wasn't all that. Definitely the weakest of all his movies.0
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Agree on Anchorman, the 2nd one is dreadful and all.McBobbin said:Anchorman. I mean, it's enjoyable and amusing, but the way some people go on about it like it's the funniest film ever... It isn't.
Seperately, Seth Rogan, whilst I quite liked Knocked Up, isn't funny unless you are141 -
Donnie Darko
Awful, awful movie.1 -
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No pun intended, I presume.Happy Valley said:Forrest Gump. It doesn't matter how stupid you are if you follow the Merican way of life you can achieve the Merican dream. What BS.
It has a running time of one hour forty two minutes. They could have improved it enormously by editing out one hour forty one and a half minutes and leaving the few bars of Hendrix in the middle.0 -
This is completely fair. But then, we have two very popular films in La La Land and Whiplash, produced by the same bloke, that give zero indication as to how it works.JiMMy 85 said:
I get equally irritated by people taking Whiplash too seriously. Its not about jazz. It’s not a documentary. It’s no more responsible for being accurate with jazz or playing in a band than Mighty Ducks is to ice hockey or Escape to Victory is to football.PaddyP17 said:
Abso-bloody-lutely. "White man saves jazz" - it's a complete and utter screw you to a genre that Damien Chazelle blatantly only half-remembers in terms of jazz pastiche.Karim_myBagheri said:La la land
Even worse, and I'd forgotten to mention it - Whiplash. It's a sports film dressed up as a music film. It's a great film but it's absolutely not representative of jazz and it really, really gets to me. (Where are the jam sessions? Why is JK Simmons allowed to drive Miles Teller to this sort of thing? No drummer would punch their snare which likely cost them a few hundred quid! So on, so forth) Adam Neely sums it up for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFYBVGdB7MUThe only people who get pissed off at Whiplash are musicians, which to me says a lot!To be fair I think you get that reaction when any expert watches a movie on the subject matter they love.
I know I'm being a bit of a gatekeeper here. I am aware. And on their cinematic merits, both are great films. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy them.
But when they are the only representations we have of the modern jazz world that most people are conscious of, it does rankle.
As a comparison (and maybe not fair here, as we might be conflating a whole nation's culture with something getting ever more niche) - Lost In Translation is a great film and explores its themes wonderfully. But it does caricature Japanese culture somewhat, and if that is one's main exposure to what Japan might be like, I can see why the film got the critical backlash it did in Japan.
But yeah. I likely have an unavoidable lens through which I watched those films.1 -
As a professional astronaut I was really offended by the depiction of my trade in Armageddon.6
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Some one said "top gun" - i agree, there was a point when watching it that i thought "if I hear "take my breath away" one more time i'm going to scream", also, astrophysicists don't help the air force.Chunes said:As a professional astronaut I was really offended by the depiction of my trade in Armageddon.0 -
Perhaps you should make your own jazz fiĺms so that we can get a proper balance.PaddyP17 said:
This is completely fair. But then, we have two very popular films in La La Land and Whiplash, produced by the same bloke, that give zero indication as to how it works.JiMMy 85 said:
I get equally irritated by people taking Whiplash too seriously. Its not about jazz. It’s not a documentary. It’s no more responsible for being accurate with jazz or playing in a band than Mighty Ducks is to ice hockey or Escape to Victory is to football.PaddyP17 said:
Abso-bloody-lutely. "White man saves jazz" - it's a complete and utter screw you to a genre that Damien Chazelle blatantly only half-remembers in terms of jazz pastiche.Karim_myBagheri said:La la land
Even worse, and I'd forgotten to mention it - Whiplash. It's a sports film dressed up as a music film. It's a great film but it's absolutely not representative of jazz and it really, really gets to me. (Where are the jam sessions? Why is JK Simmons allowed to drive Miles Teller to this sort of thing? No drummer would punch their snare which likely cost them a few hundred quid! So on, so forth) Adam Neely sums it up for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFYBVGdB7MUThe only people who get pissed off at Whiplash are musicians, which to me says a lot!To be fair I think you get that reaction when any expert watches a movie on the subject matter they love.
I know I'm being a bit of a gatekeeper here. I am aware. And on their cinematic merits, both are great films. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy them.
But when they are the only representations we have of the modern jazz world that most people are conscious of, it does rankle.
As a comparison (and maybe not fair here, as we might be conflating a whole nation's culture with something getting ever more niche) - Lost In Translation is a great film and explores its themes wonderfully. But it does caricature Japanese culture somewhat, and if that is one's main exposure to what Japan might be like, I can see why the film got the critical backlash it did in Japan.
But yeah. I likely have an unavoidable lens through which I watched those films.0 -
You don't do well with jokes do you?PaddyP17 said:
@ me if you're gonna be snarky and follow me across threads.Chunes said:As a professional astronaut I was really offended by the depiction of my trade in Armageddon.
Not what I'm saying at all.
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If you're offering patronage, I need a budget of £2.8m (roughly what Whiplash cost) please!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Perhaps you should make your own jazz fiĺms so that we can get a proper balance.PaddyP17 said:
This is completely fair. But then, we have two very popular films in La La Land and Whiplash, produced by the same bloke, that give zero indication as to how it works.JiMMy 85 said:
I get equally irritated by people taking Whiplash too seriously. Its not about jazz. It’s not a documentary. It’s no more responsible for being accurate with jazz or playing in a band than Mighty Ducks is to ice hockey or Escape to Victory is to football.PaddyP17 said:
Abso-bloody-lutely. "White man saves jazz" - it's a complete and utter screw you to a genre that Damien Chazelle blatantly only half-remembers in terms of jazz pastiche.Karim_myBagheri said:La la land
Even worse, and I'd forgotten to mention it - Whiplash. It's a sports film dressed up as a music film. It's a great film but it's absolutely not representative of jazz and it really, really gets to me. (Where are the jam sessions? Why is JK Simmons allowed to drive Miles Teller to this sort of thing? No drummer would punch their snare which likely cost them a few hundred quid! So on, so forth) Adam Neely sums it up for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFYBVGdB7MUThe only people who get pissed off at Whiplash are musicians, which to me says a lot!To be fair I think you get that reaction when any expert watches a movie on the subject matter they love.
I know I'm being a bit of a gatekeeper here. I am aware. And on their cinematic merits, both are great films. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy them.
But when they are the only representations we have of the modern jazz world that most people are conscious of, it does rankle.
As a comparison (and maybe not fair here, as we might be conflating a whole nation's culture with something getting ever more niche) - Lost In Translation is a great film and explores its themes wonderfully. But it does caricature Japanese culture somewhat, and if that is one's main exposure to what Japan might be like, I can see why the film got the critical backlash it did in Japan.
But yeah. I likely have an unavoidable lens through which I watched those films.
... No, I'm joking. As a jazz musician I'll take £50 per band member for two hours of bland renditions of The Girl From Ipanema et al that nobody's listening to at some mid-range restaurant, and we can film that on an iPhone or something.
Now that's jazz.0 -
@PaddyP17 I think the Lost In Translation comparison is fair - if you don’t know much about that culture you take it as accurate. It’s probably just as offensive to jazz players to see their world depicted inaccurately!@kentaddick Top Gun 2 does look brilliant, and I’ll doubt they’ll reprise the theme song!0
