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Indeed - he got a brute of a ball from Wagner that brushed his glove. Denly batted for 323 balls in the match (only Watling spent more time at the crease) and whilst lacking in class, throughout his short Test career, he has shown that he has grit and a backbone. Time for a few others, including the skipper, to follow his example.Leuth said:Sounds like a few avoidable dismissals! Denly at least one of the less culpable5 -
I can now see why the ECB didnt make this a 3 match series & therefore eligible for ranking points.
Smart cookies those men in suits.1 -
Was Archer abused?0
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Root has hit just 3 hundreds in the last 2 years from 46 times out at an average of 34.59. The fact that he is meant to be our best batsman rather explains why we are struggling to make a big first innings score thereby putting pressure on the opposition. It is our bowling that is getting us results not the batting.
Given that Root is being paid £1.5m by the ECB and that is before endorsements I believe he should drop all T20 be it for a franchise or England. Then he can play more county cricket or take the time to work on his game and clear his mind. Test and T20 are two totally different animals and both times that he has been out in the match was because he didn't know whether he should stick or twist.
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Racially by one man apparentlyseth plum said:Was Archer abused?0 -
Poor bowling is just as culpable. NZ went from 197-5 to 615-9, for 2 1/2 days the pitch seemed completely flat with their numbers 6, 7 and 8 making big runs, yet England then subside for 197.Addick Addict said:Needless to say England lost - by an innings and 65 runs. Not enough runs in the first innings cost us dear.
The captaincy is causing Root not to bat as Root can but NZ proving why they are ranked the number 2 Test side in the world.0 -
That is true to a degree but look at how some of our batsman got out in that second innings:killerandflash said:
Poor bowling is just as culpable. NZ went from 197-5 to 615-9, for 2 1/2 days the pitch seemed completely flat with their numbers 6, 7 and 8 making big runs, yet England then subside for 197.Addick Addict said:Needless to say England lost - by an innings and 65 runs. Not enough runs in the first innings cost us dear.
The captaincy is causing Root not to bat as Root can but NZ proving why they are ranked the number 2 Test side in the world.
Sibley - wafting at one that wouldn't have hit four sets of stumps
Burns - trying to sweep out of the rough to a ball a yard outside off stump
Root - catching practice (again) to 4th slip/gully to a ball that offered no threat whatsoever
Stokes - dragged on to a ball that was too close to cut and didn't have to play
Pope - chased a wide full toss!
Buttler - shouldering arms to a ball that was hitting the stumps
That is 6 of our top 7. Only Denly was got out and we simply would not have lost this match had those batsmen shown the same level of tenacity and decision making - at least 4 of those are more talented than Denly but talent only takes you so far.8 -
Pretty poor batting display to back up a below average bowling display. As said above there are a number of players who didn't show the right approach/application.
no idea where to go from here to be honest. We had a decent first day but on balance lost every day from 2-5.
Didn't look like taking wickets then made their bowlers look good.1 -
I agree about the abject way many of those players got out, but scoreboard pressure will have played a part too.Addick Addict said:
That is true to a degree but look at how some of our batsman got out in that second innings:killerandflash said:
Poor bowling is just as culpable. NZ went from 197-5 to 615-9, for 2 1/2 days the pitch seemed completely flat with their numbers 6, 7 and 8 making big runs, yet England then subside for 197.Addick Addict said:Needless to say England lost - by an innings and 65 runs. Not enough runs in the first innings cost us dear.
The captaincy is causing Root not to bat as Root can but NZ proving why they are ranked the number 2 Test side in the world.
Sibley - wafting at one that wouldn't have hit four sets of stumps
Burns - trying to sweep out of the rough to a ball a yard outside off stump
Root - catching practice (again) to 4th slip/gully to a ball that offered no threat whatsoever
Stokes - dragged on to a ball that was too close to cut and didn't have to play
Pope - chased a wide full toss!
Buttler - shouldering arms to a ball that was hitting the stumps
That is 6 of our top 7. Only Denly was got out and we simply would not have lost this match had those batsmen shown the same level of tenacity and decision making - at least 4 of those are more talented than Denly but talent only takes you so far.
England for many years have struggled with being 2 paced. Either going for their shots or going full defensive, and as it doesn't come naturally to play a Boycott/Atherton vigil they eventually lose patience and chase a wide one.0 -
Denly top scorer in the second innings.
Shouts of 'drop him' I hear.
We need a scapegoat. Denly the cricketing Kishishev.
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Nobody in their right mind is asking for Denly to be dropped. Where are you hearing these shouts?1
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Agreed. think this is the best batting lineup we can put out. No one even knocking on the doorLeuth said:Nobody in their right mind is asking for Denly to be dropped. Where are you hearing these shouts?0 -
Captain Cretin phoned in another pathetic pisstaking excuse for a performance and the poison trickled down thru the rest of the squad, such that only one batsman faced 90 or more deliveries and he was the only one to get out to a really good ball. Jack Leach is excused his 2nd dig for covering for the grizzly shithouse masquerading as captain.
"I don't feel under pressure" no I bet you don't you have neither the brains or the heart for either to register. A hollow man indeed.
He's added flogging Jofra to his litany of moronic "tactics".
Galling to hear Silverwood carry on the Bayliss hollow cynical deluge of bullshit when deflecting reasonable questions after these débacles. Clots all.
Kiwis are a very decent side but an innings defeat on a flat track with dud kookaburra balls piles another ton of humiliation on all the test match cack we've suffered already.3 -
I take it you're a fan of Roots captaincyStigThundercock said:Captain Cretin phoned in another pathetic pisstaking excuse for a performance and the poison trickled down thru the rest of the squad, such that only one batsman faced 90 or more deliveries and he was the only one to get out to a really good ball. Jack Leach is excused his 2nd dig for covering for the grizzly shithouse masquerading as captain.
"I don't feel under pressure" no I bet you don't you have neither the brains or the heart for either to register. A hollow man indeed.
He's added flogging Jofra to his litany of moronic "tactics".
Galling to hear Silverwood carry on the Bayliss hollow cynical deluge of bullshit when deflecting reasonable questions after these débacles. Clots all.
Kiwis are a very decent side but an innings defeat on a flat track with dud kookaburra balls piles another ton of humiliation on all the test match cack we've suffered already.1 -
StigThundercock said:Captain Cretin phoned in another pathetic pisstaking excuse for a performance and the poison trickled down thru the rest of the squad, such that only one batsman faced 90 or more deliveries and he was the only one to get out to a really good ball. Jack Leach is excused his 2nd dig for covering for the grizzly shithouse masquerading as captain.
"I don't feel under pressure" no I bet you don't you have neither the brains or the heart for either to register. A hollow man indeed.
He's added flogging Jofra to his litany of moronic "tactics".
Galling to hear Silverwood carry on the Bayliss hollow cynical deluge of bullshit when deflecting reasonable questions after these débacles. Clots all.
Kiwis are a very decent side but an innings defeat on a flat track with dud kookaburra balls piles another ton of humiliation on all the test match cack we've suffered already.
Do you think Root is a good captain?0 -
In the “that’s a bit odd isn’t it” basket was the dismissal of Butler in England’s 1st innings. He was on 43 at the time and facing Wagner. Butler lofts a shit over towards the boundary and is caught by Shantner, rushing in from over the boundary rope, signing autographs.
ive just noticed a moment in time when a word check might have come in useful. Seeing as it made me laugh I’ve just left it😀3 -
you did that on purpose .. the bowler's holding the batsman's willey and all thatBlackheathen said:In the “that’s a bit odd isn’t it” basket was the dismissal of Butler in England’s 1st innings. He was on 43 at the time and facing Wagner. Butler lofts a shit over towards the boundary and is caught by Shantner, rushing in from over the boundary rope, signing autographs.
ive just noticed a moment in time when a word check might have come in useful. Seeing as it made me laugh I’ve just left it😀Blackheathen said:In the “that’s a bit odd isn’t it” basket was the dismissal of Butler in England’s 1st innings. He was on 43 at the time and facing Wagner. Butler lofts a shit over towards the boundary and is caught by Shantner, rushing in from over the boundary rope, signing autographs.
ive just noticed a moment in time when a word check might have come in useful. Seeing as it made me laugh I’ve just left it😀
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Was Santner fielding at Turd Man?Blackheathen said:In the “that’s a bit odd isn’t it” basket was the dismissal of Butler in England’s 1st innings. He was on 43 at the time and facing Wagner. Butler lofts a shit over towards the boundary and is caught by Shantner, rushing in from over the boundary rope, signing autographs.
ive just noticed a moment in time when a word check might have come in useful. Seeing as it made me laugh I’ve just left it😀3 -
Insert crap joke here.0
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That was abysmal.
England seem to make a habit of losing the first Test overseas.
Pope made about the worst Test shot I've ever seen & Buttler's leave wasn't far behind.
Root takes bronze and Sibley misses out being 4th worst.0 - Sponsored links:
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I wonder if anyone, after looking at the test rankings, should be expecting England to have won the first test, instead of losing it. In the fullness of time, that match weight be remembered for the result, but as the first building block towards winning the ashes back.
We fielded our best team available and came up short. So what? I'd be far happier losing that match and winning the next ashes series than winning it and getting trounced again in Australia.
Some questions began to be answered in the first test. One of them is "who should open the batting". Neither of the openers ripped up trees, but, for the first time in years, we look like we've got two good openers. That's a start...0 -
I agree that we shouldn’t expect to beat New Zealand, especially on their soil. I think they have earnt a win over us this year too!Chizz said:I wonder if anyone, after looking at the test rankings, should be expecting England to have won the first test, instead of losing it. In the fullness of time, that match weight be remembered for the result, but as the first building block towards winning the ashes back.
We fielded our best team available and came up short. So what? I'd be far happier losing that match and winning the next ashes series than winning it and getting trounced again in Australia.
Some questions began to be answered in the first test. One of them is "who should open the batting". Neither of the openers ripped up trees, but, for the first time in years, we look like we've got two good openers. That's a start...But that doesn’t mean the manner in which we lost is acceptable. Our batsman continually get out to stupid moments of madness and our bowlers rarely threatened. The pitch was a batting pitch but I don’t think we bowled well enough.I haven’t got the answer as to who should be captain but I don’t think it should be Root. We need him to concentrate on batting and I don’t rate him as a captain anyway.2 -
Bring back Brearley. Boycs to open with Beefy & Willis as our 2 main strike bowlers.
Jobs a good 'un.0 -
It'll take time to rebuild the Test side. As long as we're competitive in two years in 2021 then I'm a happy bunny.
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We shouldn’t really be greedy, we are World Champions and should go close next year in the T20.Callumcafc said:It'll take time to rebuild the Test side. As long as we're competitive in two years in 2021 then I'm a happy bunny.Just need to decide if Root is the man for the job. He is feeling the pressure at the minute although that’s understandable.0 -
What am I reading here?!
We just lost by an innings having been bowled out for under 200 on a pitch that New Zealand got 600 and Santner got 126 on! As a unit in the second innings we outscored Santner by 71 runs!!
I don't care what sort of period of transition we are in. It's England playing in a Test match, not a mickey mouse T20. The last four days of it were utterly abject.
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Hmmm..there really wasn't anything positive to take from that performance so I can't see how there are any building blocks in placeChizz said:I wonder if anyone, after looking at the test rankings, should be expecting England to have won the first test, instead of losing it. In the fullness of time, that match weight be remembered for the result, but as the first building block towards winning the ashes back.
We fielded our best team available and came up short. So what? I'd be far happier losing that match and winning the next ashes series than winning it and getting trounced again in Australia.
Some questions began to be answered in the first test. One of them is "who should open the batting". Neither of the openers ripped up trees, but, for the first time in years, we look like we've got two good openers. That's a start...
The bowling was ineffective, the captaincy uninspiring and the batting just awful. "Two decent openers"...well Burns has proven that he can knuckle down but Sibley doesn't seem to be able to play a shot with any authority outside his off stump....I wouldn't mind bowling to him myself.
The England 2nd innings effort was an absolute shambles....the mindset was awful exemplified by the manner of the skippers dismissal in both innings
Maybe I could excuse Joe Denly but if was the skipper of a club 3rd team I'd be seething at the way they got themselves out in the 2nd innings3 -
Buttler a doubt for today after injuring his back in the gym. If he doesn't make it then Pope will keep wicket and presumably Zac Crawley will make his Test debut.
Two Kent players in the Test team - now that is a rarity let alone two batsmen!3 -
From my perspective, it’s a new set up getting used to new coaching and things take time to develop - Rome wasn’t built in a day.Addickted2TheReds said:What am I reading here?!
We just lost by an innings having been bowled out for under 200 on a pitch that New Zealand got 600 and Santner got 126 on! As a unit in the second innings we outscored Santner by 71 runs!!
I don't care what sort of period of transition we are in. It's England playing in a Test match, not a mickey mouse T20. The last four days of it were utterly abject.No denying the result was disappointing but we’re at the beginning of a new era so I will wait to see how we progress as a team over the next 12-18 months before throwing around words like abject.We lost by an innings in the first Test on our last tour of New Zealand too remember. They are a good side especially on home soil.0 -
A bit unfortunate for Foakes and Bairstow that when Buttler gets injured, they're not there!Addick Addict said:Buttler a doubt for today after injuring his back in the gym. If he doesn't make it then Pope will keep wicket and presumably Zac Crawley will make his Test debut.
Two Kent players in the Test team - now that is a rarity let alone two batsmen!0
