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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,616
    golfaddick said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The pitch is doing nothing - Archer’s banging it into the pitch and getting nothing. Leach isn’t getting any turn. Expecting this to barely reach a fourth innings.
    I'm sure England will find a way to have a batting collapse 2nd innings. I still expect NZ to be chasing down something after tea on day 5.
    More optimism. Dont think NZ will bat again. We'll lose by an innings & a handful of runs.
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    It's like watching an England test performance from the 90's. Grim 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    Come on Denly, get your maiden Test ton and be the hero
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    England getting hammered by a team playing proper test cricket
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    It's like watching an England test performance from the 90's. Grim 
    i had this feeling creeping in during the ashes, every batsman looks like a walking wicket.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    Covered End said:
    There's been a few pitches recently, that have looked poor but played well, so you never know.
    So the pitch looked unplayable, but is an absolute doozy.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    Covered End said:
    Very enjoyable watching England batting properly in a Test. We haven't seen this for years. There has to be a possibility this could go to 5 days! 
    I got a couple of things right :smile:
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    edited November 2019
    Apologies if the point has already been made but why on earth didn't Denly get a few overs in a score of 615?
  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,263
    Please don't tell me that Sibley is the  answer to our opening woes.
    Took NZ about 30 balls to work him out.
    No better that Robson, Compton, Jennings etc.

  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,877
    mid_life_crisis said:
    Please don't tell me that Sibley is the  answer to our opening woes.
    Took NZ about 30 balls to work him out.
    No better that Robson, Compton, Jennings

    lets judge a player after 1 game shall we? He might come good, he might not! But come in, the gut has played one game. 

    If Dougherty came on as a sub yesterday and had a shocker, would you be writing him off as a possible future Charlton player?
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  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,263
    mid_life_crisis said:
    Please don't tell me that Sibley is the  answer to our opening woes.
    Took NZ about 30 balls to work him out.
    No better that Robson, Compton, Jennings etc.

    Please allow me to clarify. From what I've seen, Jennings is a better player than Sibley.
    I've only seen Sibley bat twice, which is more than enough evidence for me to draw this conclusion.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,312
    edited November 2019
    I...um...just no
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,758
    edited November 2019
    LenGlover said:
    Apologies if the point has already been made but why on earth didn't Denly get a few overs in a score of 615?

    Given that Root bowled 18 overs himself why wasn't the ball ever thrown to Denly for something a bit different?


    Extremely disappointed Len to learn that you do not read every word I bother to write on CL. In your defence, I would suggest that you have, at least, come to the same conclusion as myself. And in that respect you are no different from every other poster in ignoring most of my gems of wisdom!

    PS I don't know the answer to your question

  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,263
    Decent county player by the looks of it, but test seamers will bowl 4th/5th stump line to him.
    Other good judges say he is ordinary against spin.
    Can't see him making it at this level, but I hope he proves me wrong.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    edited November 2019
    mid_life_crisis said:
    Please don't tell me that Sibley is the  answer to our opening woes.
    Took NZ about 30 balls to work him out.
    No better that Robson, Compton, Jennings etc.

    Yeah, let's bin him, he's had his chance.





    Who would you open with in the 2nd Test ?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Addick Addict said:
    LenGlover said:
    Apologies if the point has already been made but why on earth didn't Denly get a few overs in a score of 615?

    Given that Root bowled 18 overs himself why wasn't the ball ever thrown to Denly for something a bit different?


    Extremely disappointed Len to learn that you do not read every word I bother to write on CL. In your defence, I would suggest that you have, at least, come to the same conclusion as myself. And in that respect you are no different from every other poster in ignoring most of my gems of wisdom!

    PS I don't know the answer to your question

    I'm afraid I did the classic PWR which so irritates our mutual friend @Riviera but did read it subsequently.
  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,263
    Covered End said:
    mid_life_crisis said:
    Please don't tell me that Sibley is the  answer to our opening woes.
    Took NZ about 30 balls to work him out.
    No better that Robson, Compton, Jennings etc.

    Yeah, let's bin him, he's had his chance.
    Who would you open with in the 2nd Test ?

    I'm stating my opinion, which is based on what I have seen in this test match.
    He'll get the next match and SA series.

  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,758
    Sibley looked OK all the time their quicks were bowling at the stumps - he scores almost 70% of his runs through the leg side and mostly through mid wicket. Once they changed their line to 7th/8th stump he struggled.

    That said, I have rarely seen a more disappointing attempt from an England player at playing spin. It is probably a symptom of our county championship in that, apart from Harmer, we do not have any quality spinners - and even then they rarely get thrown the ball because conditions are not suitable for them. Leach looks ordinary with the ball and he's meant to be our best.

    We have very few technically sound players. Even Alec Stewart admitted that the challenges (and although he didn't mention it, the rewards too) of T20 mean that age group cricketers are encouraged to hit the ball first whereas in the old days they learned how to build an innings based on a sound technique.

    That said, I do believe that Ollie Pope will be the exception and that he will in a couple of years time be out number 3. But he is an exception.  
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    Sibley also bowls some handy legspin. So even if they were worried about a Denly  injury it's odd they didnt try something different...m
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,735
    What the fuck was that
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  • BR3red
    BR3red Posts: 1,715
    Why hit that? Grrrr
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    Bloody idiotic from Root.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,312
    How to dismiss the England captain? 70mph long-hop outside off ought to do
  • BR3red
    BR3red Posts: 1,715
    Atherton summed it up really, if you are in the mindset to score runs Root would have guided straight over gulley for 4. Pressure mounts, two minds and played it down...

    Day 5 test cricket is in your head...., us village cricketers can just about hit the ball ( every now and again)

    Thats why Test cricket is always the ultimate battle for me (old school).
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    If there was an obvious replacement, then i'd be in favour of taking the captaincy from Root as he's not scoring the runs he should be scoring in Test cricket.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,616
    Root is an awful Test captain. Has no imagination in the field & is about 10 mins behind play by way of what he should be doing. Should be dropped immediately so he can concentrate on his batting & someone with a bit of tactical nous be brought in. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    Brainless Pope... good catch
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,021
    Outstanding catch. All over now, if it wasn't three wicket ago.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,758
    Needless to say England lost - by an innings and 65 runs. Not enough runs in the first innings cost us dear.

    The captaincy is causing Root not to bat as Root can but NZ proving why they are ranked the number 2 Test side in the world. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,312
    Sounds like a few avoidable dismissals! Denly at least one of the less culpable 

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