Millwall tickets to go on restricted sale (SOLD OUT)

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

golfaddick said:

Cant be arsed to get an arguement about loyalty points & all that jazz. The arguement should surely be about the amount of tickets we've been given. If we had both tiers then we would have had plenty of tickets. Blame the idiots who lob seats & flares and Millwall fans who retaliate.

Plenty of clubs who don't cause any trouble (Fulham for example) go there and only get the upper tier, so not sure you can blame away fans that much. Blame Millwall and/or the police who for some reason can't cope with 2 sets of fans in different stands.

As mentioned on here before, clubs manage to cope with segregating rival fans in big games (Utd/Liverpool, Rangers/Celtic, Villa/Birmingham etc) despite them both being in the same stand, yet Milwall bless em, can't cope with fans in another stand.

MillwallFan said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

golfaddick said:

Cant be arsed to get an arguement about loyalty points & all that jazz. The arguement should surely be about the amount of tickets we've been given. If we had both tiers then we would have had plenty of tickets. Blame the idiots who lob seats & flares and Millwall fans who retaliate.

Plenty of clubs who don't cause any trouble (Fulham for example) go there and only get the upper tier, so not sure you can blame away fans that much. Blame Millwall and/or the police who for some reason can't cope with 2 sets of fans in different stands.

As mentioned on here before, clubs manage to cope with segregating rival fans in big games (Utd/Liverpool, Rangers/Celtic, Villa/Birmingham etc) despite them both being in the same stand, yet Milwall bless em, can't cope with fans in another stand.

Lots of clubs used to get the bottom tier. Clubs that didn’t come with a ‘reputation’, off the top of my head Norwich, QPR, and yourselves, have had the bottom tier over the last ten years or so, and a few other if they‘ve got the following. 

However, when you get a team like Charlton, who have never really had a reputation, turning up, throwing seats, throwing flares, making charges towards the home end in the bottom corner (I was there, this happened) then maybe the club have just thought bollocks to it, it’s just not worth it. 

So just because no one gets the bottom stand these days doesn’t mean you’re totally blameless. Your shit stinks as well. 

Ducktapeshoerepairs said:

roseandcrown said:

PaddyP17 said:

roseandcrown said:

PaddyP17 said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

PaddyP17 said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

Baldybonce said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

Baldybonce said:

I’ve just got two and i’m not even going!
So if anyone is desperate to go i’ve got two adult tickets available.

Why would you buy them?

For people who can’t get them.

But they will sell out. They can't get them because others have more loyalty points... 

As one of the direct beneficiaries of the situation, I'd like to offer my tuppenny's worth. This is quite long-winded.

I have 250 loyalty points, from getting a season ticket this year, after three seasons without, due to dissatisfaction with the ownership. I now have a ST in spite of Duchatelet, and because of Bowyer. 

I went to nearly every home game last year and a handful of away games. This has been the case since I became an adult, with the exception of when I was at university in a different part of the country - but even then, I still had a season ticket, which I allowed others to use free of charge when I wasn't about (so most of the season). When I was at uni, I still went to various away games, too. We were in League One at the time, so this wasn't difficult.

The "loyalty" scheme came in while near the nadir of Roland's tenure thus far: I had no intention of getting a season ticket, and accordingly, match ticket purchases were limited, so I didn't accrue any meaningful number of points.

I think the scheme rewards recency bias in a time where there has been great fan unrest. I definitely don't have enough loyalty points from the last couple of seasons to get tickets, but based on, well, my lifetime support for this club, it would be churlish to deem me undeserving of a ticket.

Someone might disagree, but the points system is - for a club in our situation - a flawed metric. Perhaps necessary, but flawed nonetheless.

You chose to boycott, as did others.

Your history as a supporter means absolutely nothing for the loyalty system, and that is the way it should be. It doesn't matter if someone had a season ticket for 30years straight. If they haven't had one for the past 3 years they shouldn't get priority over those that have been going for the past 2 seasons.

If we went my lifelong history, no new fans would ever get tickets.

But equally - and of course, this doesn't apply to me - what if fans couldn't attend, or get season tickets etc, for reasons beyond their control (a work placement or ill health or financial difficulties or something)?

I don't think the loyalty system is bad at all. More that it is flawed, and new enough that there are teething problems. In a few seasons, I'm certain the system will be more reflective of and prioritise, for want of a better term, those who deserve it more.

But surely those who have gone most last 16 months deserve it and have more points to get tickets at first few phases? 

In another 12 months time that will again be the case in that the people who have gone most will be rewarded by first phases as they deserve. 

Can’t see how the system now is not reflective of that? 

Because it's in its infancy at the minute and starts from an arbitrary point with zero purchasing history taken into account before the introduction of the scheme.

I stand by what I said above - i.e. in a few seasons, the points system will be better, because there will be more data to work with.

But it will only ever be on a 2 year basis I believe so at the end of this year 18/19 season will come off. 

It had to start somewhere if you go back where you drew the line? 

I feel for those who missed out and if they had given us the lower tier it would be fine but the loyalty system is fair and does what it was set out to do reward most regular attending fans it really is that simple. 

I think the 2 per person thing is possibly the most unfair ? Most other clubs do it 1 per person.

robroy said:

@Big_Bad_World Got to give it to you, I do enjoy reading your posts! All friendly banter 

See you in the Kings Head for a pint  

Big_Bad_World said:

robroy said:

@Big_Bad_World Got to give it to you, I do enjoy reading your posts! All friendly banter 

See you in the Kings Head for a pint  

Bexley or Greenwich?

Ducktapeshoerepairs said:

roseandcrown said:

PaddyP17 said:

roseandcrown said:

PaddyP17 said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

PaddyP17 said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

Baldybonce said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

Baldybonce said:

I’ve just got two and i’m not even going!
So if anyone is desperate to go i’ve got two adult tickets available.

Why would you buy them?

For people who can’t get them.

But they will sell out. They can't get them because others have more loyalty points... 

As one of the direct beneficiaries of the situation, I'd like to offer my tuppenny's worth. This is quite long-winded.

I have 250 loyalty points, from getting a season ticket this year, after three seasons without, due to dissatisfaction with the ownership. I now have a ST in spite of Duchatelet, and because of Bowyer. 

I went to nearly every home game last year and a handful of away games. This has been the case since I became an adult, with the exception of when I was at university in a different part of the country - but even then, I still had a season ticket, which I allowed others to use free of charge when I wasn't about (so most of the season). When I was at uni, I still went to various away games, too. We were in League One at the time, so this wasn't difficult.

The "loyalty" scheme came in while near the nadir of Roland's tenure thus far: I had no intention of getting a season ticket, and accordingly, match ticket purchases were limited, so I didn't accrue any meaningful number of points.

I think the scheme rewards recency bias in a time where there has been great fan unrest. I definitely don't have enough loyalty points from the last couple of seasons to get tickets, but based on, well, my lifetime support for this club, it would be churlish to deem me undeserving of a ticket.

Someone might disagree, but the points system is - for a club in our situation - a flawed metric. Perhaps necessary, but flawed nonetheless.

You chose to boycott, as did others.

Your history as a supporter means absolutely nothing for the loyalty system, and that is the way it should be. It doesn't matter if someone had a season ticket for 30years straight. If they haven't had one for the past 3 years they shouldn't get priority over those that have been going for the past 2 seasons.

If we went my lifelong history, no new fans would ever get tickets.

But equally - and of course, this doesn't apply to me - what if fans couldn't attend, or get season tickets etc, for reasons beyond their control (a work placement or ill health or financial difficulties or something)?

I don't think the loyalty system is bad at all. More that it is flawed, and new enough that there are teething problems. In a few seasons, I'm certain the system will be more reflective of and prioritise, for want of a better term, those who deserve it more.

But surely those who have gone most last 16 months deserve it and have more points to get tickets at first few phases? 

In another 12 months time that will again be the case in that the people who have gone most will be rewarded by first phases as they deserve. 

Can’t see how the system now is not reflective of that? 

Because it's in its infancy at the minute and starts from an arbitrary point with zero purchasing history taken into account before the introduction of the scheme.

I stand by what I said above - i.e. in a few seasons, the points system will be better, because there will be more data to work with.

But it will only ever be on a 2 year basis I believe so at the end of this year 18/19 season will come off. 

It had to start somewhere if you go back where you drew the line? 

I feel for those who missed out and if they had given us the lower tier it would be fine but the loyalty system is fair and does what it was set out to do reward most regular attending fans it really is that simple. 

I think the 2 per person thing is possibly the most unfair ? Most other clubs do it 1 per person.

Simonsen said:

Ducktapeshoerepairs said:

roseandcrown said:

PaddyP17 said:

roseandcrown said:

PaddyP17 said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

PaddyP17 said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

Baldybonce said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

Baldybonce said:

I’ve just got two and i’m not even going!
So if anyone is desperate to go i’ve got two adult tickets available.

Why would you buy them?

For people who can’t get them.

But they will sell out. They can't get them because others have more loyalty points... 

As one of the direct beneficiaries of the situation, I'd like to offer my tuppenny's worth. This is quite long-winded.

I have 250 loyalty points, from getting a season ticket this year, after three seasons without, due to dissatisfaction with the ownership. I now have a ST in spite of Duchatelet, and because of Bowyer. 

I went to nearly every home game last year and a handful of away games. This has been the case since I became an adult, with the exception of when I was at university in a different part of the country - but even then, I still had a season ticket, which I allowed others to use free of charge when I wasn't about (so most of the season). When I was at uni, I still went to various away games, too. We were in League One at the time, so this wasn't difficult.

The "loyalty" scheme came in while near the nadir of Roland's tenure thus far: I had no intention of getting a season ticket, and accordingly, match ticket purchases were limited, so I didn't accrue any meaningful number of points.

I think the scheme rewards recency bias in a time where there has been great fan unrest. I definitely don't have enough loyalty points from the last couple of seasons to get tickets, but based on, well, my lifetime support for this club, it would be churlish to deem me undeserving of a ticket.

Someone might disagree, but the points system is - for a club in our situation - a flawed metric. Perhaps necessary, but flawed nonetheless.

You chose to boycott, as did others.

Your history as a supporter means absolutely nothing for the loyalty system, and that is the way it should be. It doesn't matter if someone had a season ticket for 30years straight. If they haven't had one for the past 3 years they shouldn't get priority over those that have been going for the past 2 seasons.

If we went my lifelong history, no new fans would ever get tickets.

But equally - and of course, this doesn't apply to me - what if fans couldn't attend, or get season tickets etc, for reasons beyond their control (a work placement or ill health or financial difficulties or something)?

I don't think the loyalty system is bad at all. More that it is flawed, and new enough that there are teething problems. In a few seasons, I'm certain the system will be more reflective of and prioritise, for want of a better term, those who deserve it more.

But surely those who have gone most last 16 months deserve it and have more points to get tickets at first few phases? 

In another 12 months time that will again be the case in that the people who have gone most will be rewarded by first phases as they deserve. 

Can’t see how the system now is not reflective of that? 

Because it's in its infancy at the minute and starts from an arbitrary point with zero purchasing history taken into account before the introduction of the scheme.

I stand by what I said above - i.e. in a few seasons, the points system will be better, because there will be more data to work with.

But it will only ever be on a 2 year basis I believe so at the end of this year 18/19 season will come off. 

It had to start somewhere if you go back where you drew the line? 

I feel for those who missed out and if they had given us the lower tier it would be fine but the loyalty system is fair and does what it was set out to do reward most regular attending fans it really is that simple. 

I think the 2 per person thing is possibly the most unfair ? Most other clubs do it 1 per person.

Agreed. Effectively means that each qualified fan can take a fan who's never even heard of Charlton, let alone been to 100's of games. 

Big_Bad_World said:

robroy said:

Big_Bad_World said:

robroy said:

@Big_Bad_World Got to give it to you, I do enjoy reading your posts! All friendly banter 

See you in the Kings Head for a pint  

Bexley or Greenwich?

I meant pre game at LB. 

If I was around LB I'd be tempted to take you up on your kind offer. However, I'll be holed up in one of the few hostelries left locally near the ground.

Henry Irving said:

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

cafctom said:

Well I’m with you Paddy.

I can see both sides. The loyalty points system will be brilliant in a few years, hopefully after the rat has gone. 

I bought Valley Gold in the end to ensure I could get tickets. And yes I do have a current season ticket before anyone gets the hump. 

Just to make it clear, nobody is getting the hump. I didn't have enough loyalty points and a relative that never goes to away games got me and a friend tickets.

Juat can't understand these nonsensical arguments that the loyalty system is broken, and that somehow people who boycotted are just as entitled to tickets as people going week in week out for the past few seasons.

As someone who is still boycotting buying home tickets and dropped out of VG I agree.

That was a choice I made and don't regret it.

The loyalty scheme is reasonable and rewards those who go away most often.

So, no season ticket and no Valley Gold.... how can you have enough points to get 12 tickets for Millwall ???

I can't and didn't.

I posted that joke before they'd even gone on sale.

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

cafctom said:

Well I’m with you Paddy.

I can see both sides. The loyalty points system will be brilliant in a few years, hopefully after the rat has gone. 

I bought Valley Gold in the end to ensure I could get tickets. And yes I do have a current season ticket before anyone gets the hump. 

Just to make it clear, nobody is getting the hump. I didn't have enough loyalty points and a relative that never goes to away games got me and a friend tickets.

Juat can't understand these nonsensical arguments that the loyalty system is broken, and that somehow people who boycotted are just as entitled to tickets as people going week in week out for the past few seasons.

As someone who is still boycotting buying home tickets and dropped out of VG I agree.

That was a choice I made and don't regret it.

The loyalty scheme is reasonable and rewards those who go away most often.

So, no season ticket and no Valley Gold.... how can you have enough points to get 12 tickets for Millwall ???

I can't and didn't.

I posted that joke before they'd even gone on sale.

Hilarious. So you're not going then?

Henry Irving said:

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

cafctom said:

Well I’m with you Paddy.

I can see both sides. The loyalty points system will be brilliant in a few years, hopefully after the rat has gone. 

I bought Valley Gold in the end to ensure I could get tickets. And yes I do have a current season ticket before anyone gets the hump. 

Just to make it clear, nobody is getting the hump. I didn't have enough loyalty points and a relative that never goes to away games got me and a friend tickets.

Juat can't understand these nonsensical arguments that the loyalty system is broken, and that somehow people who boycotted are just as entitled to tickets as people going week in week out for the past few seasons.

As someone who is still boycotting buying home tickets and dropped out of VG I agree.

That was a choice I made and don't regret it.

The loyalty scheme is reasonable and rewards those who go away most often.

So, no season ticket and no Valley Gold.... how can you have enough points to get 12 tickets for Millwall ???

I can't and didn't.

I posted that joke before they'd even gone on sale.

Hilarious. So you're not going then?

Not hilarious, only worth a few Lols it seems, but certainly not to be taken seriously.

Henry Irving said:

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

Medders said:

Henry Irving said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

cafctom said:

Well I’m with you Paddy.

I can see both sides. The loyalty points system will be brilliant in a few years, hopefully after the rat has gone. 

I bought Valley Gold in the end to ensure I could get tickets. And yes I do have a current season ticket before anyone gets the hump. 

Just to make it clear, nobody is getting the hump. I didn't have enough loyalty points and a relative that never goes to away games got me and a friend tickets.

Juat can't understand these nonsensical arguments that the loyalty system is broken, and that somehow people who boycotted are just as entitled to tickets as people going week in week out for the past few seasons.

As someone who is still boycotting buying home tickets and dropped out of VG I agree.

That was a choice I made and don't regret it.

The loyalty scheme is reasonable and rewards those who go away most often.

So, no season ticket and no Valley Gold.... how can you have enough points to get 12 tickets for Millwall ???

I can't and didn't.

I posted that joke before they'd even gone on sale.

Hilarious. So you're not going then?

Not hilarious, only worth a few Lols it seems, but certainly not to be taken seriously.

Excellent avoidance of the question there. Ever considered a career in politics?



What business is it of yours?

But since you'll go on and on about it otherwise, the answer is no, not yet but I hope a spare might still pop up.