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England v Bulgaria / Kosovo
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Team being announced this afternoon
Tyrone Mings (Aston Villa) is one leaked name that has been called up
Tyrone Mings (Aston Villa) is one leaked name that has been called up
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Nick Pope also been recalled
http://www.thefa.com/news/2019/aug/29/england-squad-named-to-play-bulgaria-and-kosovo-290819
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Goalkeepers: Tom Heaton, Jordan Pickford, Nick Pope
Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Ben Chilwell, Joe Gomez, Michael Keane, Harry Maguire, Tyrone Mings, Danny Rose, Kieran Trippier, Aaron Wan-Bissaka
Midfielders: Ross Barkley, Jordan Henderson, James Maddison, Mason Mount, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Declan Rice, Harry Winks
Forwards: Harry Kane, Jesse Lingard, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Raheem Sterling, Callum Wilson
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Quite like it. Lots of great young talent.
Mount over Foden is totally fair. Whilst I feel Foden is the better player, it shows how he desperately needs to get playing time in the Prem.8 -
Is Kyle walker and John stones injuries or dropped?1
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Good to see James Maddison is back too
Not sure Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is worthy of a call up just yet after having been injured for so long - Jessie Lingaard is one of those players who seems to do better in an England shirt than Man Utd one
Is John Stones injured or has he just been dropped?1 -
Hasn't been that much to go on this season so Southgate has to go with the same old names, with Mings and Mount the only real exceptions.
Winks for example was taken off at 1-0 down to Villa, they won 3-1. Taken off at 2-1 down to City, they drew. And he played 90 minutes in the defeat to Newcastle. Is that worthy of a call up? So Southgate can only have called him up based on his previous form.
Same goes for Lingard, he has been dire lately so is only in because of how he's played for us before.1 -
Hopefully Wan-Bissaka will perform better than he did at u21 level... embarrassment of an OG in that tournament.
Massively overrated for me, can't see why he'd be needed if we have Trent and Trippier.
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Trippier in for Walker is weird. Trippier has looked dreadful for 18 months. Not sure about Mings and Mount, seems a little too easy to get an England call up these days.2
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My 11 would be
Pickford
TAA Gomez Maguire Chilwell
Henderson Winks
Sancho Maddison Sterling
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Made a good start in Spain by all accounts, and a better long term option in terms of age. Walker only average for Man City so far.Covered_End_Lad said:Trippier in for Walker is weird. Trippier has looked dreadful for 18 months. Not sure about Mings and Mount, seems a little too easy to get an England call up these days.3 - Sponsored links:
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Trippier was superb in Atletico's first game of the season and set up their winner for Morata. Has played the full 90 minutes in both games for one of the best teams in Europe who have kept 2 clean sheets. Simeone is a defensive master and will no doubt improve him.Covered_End_Lad said:Trippier in for Walker is weird. Trippier has looked dreadful for 18 months. Not sure about Mings and Mount, seems a little too easy to get an England call up these days.
Let's not forget Trippier was one of our best players at the world cup, but something seemed to go wrong for him last year and he spoke of issues behind the scenes at Spurs. He's not a bad player.
Having said all that, i doubt he'll play ahead of TAA anyway.8 -
Yes, Mings had a good loan spell in the Championship and a couple of games in the PL for Villa and gets called up, which seems a bit prematureCovered_End_Lad said:Trippier in for Walker is weird. Trippier has looked dreadful for 18 months. Not sure about Mings and Mount, seems a little too easy to get an England call up these days.0 -
One thing is certain, in Sancho and Sterling we probably have the world's 2 most in form wide players right now.2
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A front 3 of Sancho, Kane and Sterling will give even the worlds best defence nightmares.4
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Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
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I thought Walker had started well this season. Surprised we’ve picked 3 right backs and none of them is Walker, who can play right of a back three. Wan-Bissaka is overrated imo and it’s no coincidence he’s now been picked after moving to United. I know you’re not going to please everyone with your picks, and I can’t fault Southgate so far, but constantly picking Lingard is wearing thin.MrLargo said:
Made a good start in Spain by all accounts, and a better long term option in terms of age. Walker only average for Man City so far.Covered_End_Lad said:Trippier in for Walker is weird. Trippier has looked dreadful for 18 months. Not sure about Mings and Mount, seems a little too easy to get an England call up these days.0 -
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.7 -
He is THE MAN at Dortmund this season, without a doubt their main star.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
They know they only have him for 1 more season too...he'll be in the Premier League next year i'd imagine.0 -
Whilst I agree based on club form, Lingard has always impressed me when he puts on an england shirt.ValleyGary said:
I thought Walker had started well this season. Surprised we’ve picked 3 right backs and none of them is Walker, who can play right of a back three. Wan-Bissaka is overrated imo and it’s no coincidence he’s now been picked after moving to United. I know you’re not going to please everyone with your picks, and I can’t fault Southgate so far, but constantly picking Lingard is wearing thin.MrLargo said:
Made a good start in Spain by all accounts, and a better long term option in terms of age. Walker only average for Man City so far.Covered_End_Lad said:Trippier in for Walker is weird. Trippier has looked dreadful for 18 months. Not sure about Mings and Mount, seems a little too easy to get an England call up these days.
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Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.
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A two team league where EIGHTH PLACE Werder Bremen were as close to champions Bayern as 3rd place Chelsea were to 2nd place Liverpool last season.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.
The narrative of the Bundesliga being a less competitive league is really laughable given the dominance of City and Liverpool domestically here.7 -
How many German teams outside of Bayern and Dortmund have been in european finals in recent history? or even semi's?WattsTheMatter said:
A two team league where EIGHTH PLACE Werder Bremen were as close to champions Bayern as 3rd place Chelsea were to 2nd place Liverpool last season.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.
The narrative of the Bundesliga being a less competitive league is really laughable given the dominance of City and Liverpool domestically here.
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The Bundesliga definitely has some poor sides. But so does the Prem.
Sancho has turned up against Bayern virtually every time too. He’s a top player.3 -
Discounting the fact you were commenting on the Bundesliga as a league, two in Champions League finals, but then since 2010 there's only been 3 English teams there.DoctorCharlton said:
How many German teams outside of Bayern and Dortmund have been in european finals in recent history? or even semi's?WattsTheMatter said:
A two team league where EIGHTH PLACE Werder Bremen were as close to champions Bayern as 3rd place Chelsea were to 2nd place Liverpool last season.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.
The narrative of the Bundesliga being a less competitive league is really laughable given the dominance of City and Liverpool domestically here.
English teams have had more success in the Europa League, admittedly, but that still doesn't change their domestic league.
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A europa league that also involves German teams if i'm not mistaken?WattsTheMatter said:
Discounting the fact you were commenting on the Bundesliga as a league, two in Champions League finals, but then since 2010 there's only been 3 English teams there.DoctorCharlton said:
How many German teams outside of Bayern and Dortmund have been in european finals in recent history? or even semi's?WattsTheMatter said:
A two team league where EIGHTH PLACE Werder Bremen were as close to champions Bayern as 3rd place Chelsea were to 2nd place Liverpool last season.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.
The narrative of the Bundesliga being a less competitive league is really laughable given the dominance of City and Liverpool domestically here.
English teams have had more success in the Europa League, admittedly, but that still doesn't change their domestic league.
Also the champs league whereby we've had four different english teams in the final in the last 10 years.
As far as I'm concerned, Sancho did nothing in those two games against spurs. And I'm sure he'll have tougher defenders than Danny Rose and Serge Aurier to come up against.
Still not convinced, and won't be until I see him perform better against proper opposition.
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Dominance of Liverpool domestically? they finished 4th two seasons ago lol Havent won a domestic trophy in agesWattsTheMatter said:
A two team league where EIGHTH PLACE Werder Bremen were as close to champions Bayern as 3rd place Chelsea were to 2nd place Liverpool last season.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.
The narrative of the Bundesliga being a less competitive league is really laughable given the dominance of City and Liverpool domestically here.
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Hope Sancho gets his first England goal in these games. He is mustard. Cannot wait to see an England team with him and Foden in it.6
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I’d argue that the Premier League is a 2 team league at the moment.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.2 -
You can't say that after 5 games mate.ricky_otto said:
I’d argue that the Premier League is a 2 team league at the moment.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.
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What about last season though? Liverpool finished 25 points ahead of 3rd and Manchester City 26. And I have no doubt it will be a massive points difference between those 2 and 3rd place again.DoctorCharlton said:
You can't say that after 5 games mate.ricky_otto said:
I’d argue that the Premier League is a 2 team league at the moment.DoctorCharlton said:
Yes thats the Bundesliga mate, its a 2 team leagueChris_from_Sidcup said:
You clearly don't watch much of the Bundesliga then, the kid is definitely world level.DoctorCharlton said:Call me pessimistic but I don't think Sancho has done enough to be labelled world level in my opinion.
He only had that one good half against USA if I recall, and was completely absent in both legs against spurs. I worry he'd get found out if he comes to a prem team.
Since the start of last season he has 14 goals and 16 assists in 36 league games. And he's not even 20 until March.0
