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Declan Rice chooses England
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How can they compare the 2Taylormade said:Is he all that?
i know he’s had a good start this season , but a West Ham fan I know reckons Rice is worth 75 million, turned down a move to a top 4 club, and is miles better than Joe Gomez!
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How do you reason with a West Ham fan?WestStandNeil said:
How can they compare the 2Taylormade said:Is he all that?
i know he’s had a good start this season , but a West Ham fan I know reckons Rice is worth 75 million, turned down a move to a top 4 club, and is miles better than Joe Gomez!
Gomez-Defender
Rice-Midfilder
You cant compare players who play in different position as each offer different attributes2 -
Exactly!WestStandNeil said:
How can they compare the 2Taylormade said:Is he all that?
i know he’s had a good start this season , but a West Ham fan I know reckons Rice is worth 75 million, turned down a move to a top 4 club, and is miles better than Joe Gomez!
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Rice-Midfilder
You cant compare players who play in different position as each offer different attributes
He thought Declan Rice was the best defensive player since Bobby Moore!0 -
A player will always want to play at the highest standard he can so no real surprise.0
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Plastic not so plastic after all... fiddly-dee!
Welcome to the fold Declan.0 -
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
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Qualifying criteria should be country of birth or parents nationality only.
none of this grandparents malarkey.
Once you play for the senior squad squad that should also be it. Doesn’t matter if it is a friendly.2 -
People calling him bang average obviously haven’t watched him this season. He’s a proper player and will be England’s best holding midfielder.8
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Garreth Bale had an English grandparent and so could have played for 🏴!cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.0 -
If I was Irish I'd have wanted him to fuck right off as soon as he said he had a decision to make.
No way could he have gone back into that squad if players if he had decided to stay Irish, he's a decent enough player I just don't think he's much of a character3 - Sponsored links:
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Harry Kane could have played for ROIRedrobo said:
Garreth Bale had an English grandparent and so could have played for 🏴!cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.0 -
cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
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The hero that is Wilfried Zaha.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Could have outstripped Tom Daley one day.
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He's looked really good when I've seen him this year to be fair. That's only 2 or 3 full games admittedly.Taylormade said:Is he all that?
i know he’s had a good start this season , but a West Ham fan I know reckons Rice is worth 75 million, turned down a move to a top 4 club, and is miles better than Joe Gomez!0 -
From the recent Wales squad, David Brooks, Ethan Ampadu, Ben Woodburn all could have chosen to play for England. Indeed around 2/3 of their squad were born in Englandcafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Scott McTominay, Matt Richie, Tom Cairney, all English born etc
Not saying England would want any of those players, but it's generally a one way street with the home nations, I can't think of too many England footballers born in the other home nations, who chose England due to an English grandparent.1 -
Well he is just as English as Raheem SterlingNorth Lower Neil said:
The hero that is Wilfried Zaha.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Could have outstripped Tom Daley one day.0 -
You shouldn't have to think about who you play for internationally, your heart should tell you.2
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Thinking of this I can’t recall anything like fuss over Declan Rice being made when zaha switched allegiances!North Lower Neil said:
The hero that is Wilfried Zaha.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Could have outstripped Tom Daley one day.0 -
Apologies if I’m having a “whoosh” moment but I think that’s because he isn’t English (not even by birth) and wasn’t playing anyway.BeckenhamAddick said:
Thinking of this I can’t recall anything like fuss over Declan Rice being made when zaha switched allegiances!North Lower Neil said:
The hero that is Wilfried Zaha.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Could have outstripped Tom Daley one day.0 - Sponsored links:
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Thats kind of the point.cafcdave123 said:
Apologies if I’m having a “whoosh” moment but I think that’s because he isn’t English (not even by birth) and wasn’t playing anyway.BeckenhamAddick said:
Thinking of this I can’t recall anything like fuss over Declan Rice being made when zaha switched allegiances!North Lower Neil said:
The hero that is Wilfried Zaha.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Could have outstripped Tom Daley one day.
Rice was born in England but represented Ireland at youth level and played friendlies for Ireland due to his grandparents, but has choosen now to play for england the country of his birth
Zaha was born in Ivory Coast but represented England at youth level and played friendlies for England due to growing up in England, but has choosen to represent Ivory Coast the country of his birth.
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Yeah that’s pretty much it. Also the fact that zaha chose to represent a “worse” country so nobody seemed bothered but with Rice it’s being seen as a career move. The rules have changed so unless you’ve represented a county in a competitive match you’re eligible to play for another nation, which Rice has taken advantage of rightly or wrongly. FWIW is have him over dier or Henderson so think it’s a good decision for England but time will tell for him whether it’s good moveWestStandNeil said:
Thats kind of the point.cafcdave123 said:
Apologies if I’m having a “whoosh” moment but I think that’s because he isn’t English (not even by birth) and wasn’t playing anyway.BeckenhamAddick said:
Thinking of this I can’t recall anything like fuss over Declan Rice being made when zaha switched allegiances!North Lower Neil said:
The hero that is Wilfried Zaha.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Could have outstripped Tom Daley one day.
Rice was born in England but represented Ireland at youth level and played friendlies for Ireland due to his grandparents, but has choosen now to play for england the country of his birth
Zaha was born in Ivory Coast but represented England at youth level and played friendlies for England due to growing up in England, but has choosen to represent Ivory Coast the country of his birth.
So no differet to Rice but less fuss0 -
I think there was less fuss because a) neither Zaha nor his parents/grandparents/great grandparents are English so some people didn’t think he should be playing for England anyway and b) Ivory Coast didn’t approach a player that was actually playing for England at the time so would be like Scotland calling up Steven CaulkerWestStandNeil said:
Thats kind of the point.cafcdave123 said:
Apologies if I’m having a “whoosh” moment but I think that’s because he isn’t English (not even by birth) and wasn’t playing anyway.BeckenhamAddick said:
Thinking of this I can’t recall anything like fuss over Declan Rice being made when zaha switched allegiances!North Lower Neil said:
The hero that is Wilfried Zaha.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Could have outstripped Tom Daley one day.
Rice was born in England but represented Ireland at youth level and played friendlies for Ireland due to his grandparents, but has choosen now to play for england the country of his birth
Zaha was born in Ivory Coast but represented England at youth level and played friendlies for England due to growing up in England, but has choosen to represent Ivory Coast the country of his birth.
So no differet to Rice but less fuss
dont get me wrong, he is just as much of a cock as DR and I genuinely don’t understand how you could represent two different countries as your heart wouldn’t be in it for one of them.
Mark Noble is a good example imo, has been sounded out by Ireland and stated its England or nothing for him.1 -
And yet we think it's OK for Joffra Archer to play cricket for England? Played for the West Indies and has a father born in the UK but lived here for just 4 years.
Surely he's less English than Rice?0 -
Payback for Clinton Morrison.
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I'm sensing a rather nasty undertone that some don't want foreigners playing for England.
That's hardly an inclusive or progressive mindset and will only serve to alienate these young people. We should be encouraging them to blossom however they wish and to fully support their life choices by embracing them and welcoming them.
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Bbw going fishing. Putting an accusatory/inflammatory post up here and waiting for it to catch fire.Big_Bad_World said:I'm sensing a rather nasty undertone that some don't want foreigners playing for England.
That's hardly an inclusive or progressive mindset and will only serve to alienate these young people. We should be encouraging them to blossom however they wish and to fully support their life choices by embracing them and welcoming them.
Just when you'd built up a rep and being accepted on this forum.
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Born and bred in st.mary Cray.cafcdave123 said:
really? who have England missed out on?killerandflash said:It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English
I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.
England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
Tony Cascarino
I used to work with high father Dominic .
He was Italian btw.
The amount of players born in England over the past 20 years who have opted to play for ROI is staggering.
Not that it bothers me because it doesn't.
But it's a bit rich for ROI to moan when they lose out to a player born in England2 -
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Bbw going fishing. Putting an accusatory/inflammatory post up here and waiting for it to catch fire.Big_Bad_World said:I'm sensing a rather nasty undertone that some don't want foreigners playing for England.
That's hardly an inclusive or progressive mindset and will only serve to alienate these young people. We should be encouraging them to blossom however they wish and to fully support their life choices by embracing them and welcoming them.
Just when you'd built up a rep and being accepted on this forum.
Hi @maddferrett, I hope you're well.If you swap out 'accusatory/inflammatory' for 'tongue in cheek' then you'll not be far wrong.
Apologies if my previous post has harmed my aforementioned 'rep' and I hope that your acceptance levels for me are restored to their former glory forthwith.
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Exactly this. It’s modern football. It’s not great given he spent so many years training with the Irish team etc and I know it’s different to the Morrison example, but unfortunately, these guys pretty much have the world at their feet at the moment. Whatever example you look at, be it KAG with us leaving for Huddersfield or Rice here. These guys have a limited career on the pitch and they want to win as much or be as successful as possible and I think Rice has probably based his decision on this given he thinks he’s as much English as he is Irish. Might not sit right with some (I’m indifferent), but for me it’s just another example of the power players have these days.Big_Bad_World said:Payback for Clinton Morrison.
It’s a loss for Ireland as he looks a top player, but in all the years I’ve been watching football, I’ve always admired their team spirit and togetherness. I think they will bounce back.1
