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Declan Rice chooses England

WestStandNeil
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Statement from Declan Rice.



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  • WestStandNeil
    WestStandNeil Posts: 803
    TBH glad he has done, he had looked good for West Ham and at 20 think he could be a great England Midfilder in the future
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    what a prick, if i was Irish i wouldn't have wanted him from the second he had to think about it.

    hope he gets 20mins for England and never plays for them again.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,484
    I haven't been this excited since Carl Jenkinson did the same. 
  • WestStandNeil
    WestStandNeil Posts: 803
    cafcdave123 said:
    what a prick, if i was Irish i wouldn't have wanted him from the second he had to think about it.

    hope he gets 20mins for England and never plays for them again.
    Born and raised in London tho.

    Just because his parents were Irish he could play for them, IMO thats wrong he was born in England so he plays for England IMO, and I dont see why it makes him a prick
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,167
    He's looked very good recently. Delph's WC position in the squad of tackling midfielder who can keep the ball moving needs filling so there's scope for him to play. Dier hasn't exactly looked hot this season when he's played so this is probably Rice's best chance to play for England.
  • Daddy_Pig
    Daddy_Pig Posts: 496
    Shouldn't be making a decision on anything other than what nationality he feels he is. If he feels English and gets less caps so be it. 

    Tough on the lad having so much pressure put on him over this at such a young age
  • cafc4life
    cafc4life Posts: 4,632
    Another bang average footballer. Will move to a bigger club in the next couple of years, do fuck all then end up back at Ham 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    cafc4life said:
    Another bang average footballer. Will move to a bigger club in the next couple of years, do fuck all then end up back at Ham 
    I'd like to be bang average and have a career like that though. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,291
    WestStandNeil said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    what a prick, if i was Irish i wouldn't have wanted him from the second he had to think about it.

    hope he gets 20mins for England and never plays for them again.
    Born and raised in London tho.

    Just because his parents were Irish he could play for them, IMO thats wrong he was born in England so he plays for England IMO, and I dont see why it makes him a prick

  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,593
    So he’s happy to play for and progress through Ireland’s teams for 4 years and as soon as he gets a sniff at an England place he jumps ship? Even as an England fan, I think calling him a prick is mild.
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  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,362
    If this means the end of Eric Dier in an England shirt I’m all for it.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    don't like the way people play the system, James McLean done similar as used the northern irish set up for youth and then switched to the republic, all v strange, i would qaulify for roi, scotland and england on ancestral, yet to stand and sing eithers national anthem would seem a bit strange, have never really got it. 
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,735
    edited February 2019
    I’ve not got an issue with him choosing between countries (via heritage....NOT  residency) - but the cut off point should be a lot further back in terms of the national structure. 

    Im not sure where the line should be drawn (and I don’t think that competitive games should be treated differently to friendlies- but it is is ridiculous that he can switch after playing 3 games for the senior squad. 
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    SuedeAdidas said:
    I’ve not got an issue with him choosing between countries (via heritage....NOT  residency) - but the cut off point should be a lot further back in terms of the national structure. 

    Im not sure where the line should be drawn (and I don’t think that competitive games should be treated differently to friendlies- but it is is ridiculous that he can switch after playing 3 games for the senior squad. 
    where i do think its unfair is that in playing for the roi youth set up he has likely had all his flights paid for by there fa, coaching and potentially kept an irish player out of the sqaud, we have probably one of the richest fa's in europe, i dont rate him that highly tbh
  • Ross
    Ross Posts: 4,409
    edited February 2019
    Smells of Jack Grealish all over again.

    When did this picking a nationality become a thing?
  • WestStandNeil
    WestStandNeil Posts: 803
    edited February 2019
    ForeverAddickted said:
    WestStandNeil said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    what a prick, if i was Irish i wouldn't have wanted him from the second he had to think about it.

    hope he gets 20mins for England and never plays for them again.
    Born and raised in London tho.

    Just because his parents were Irish he could play for them, IMO thats wrong he was born in England so he plays for England IMO, and I dont see why it makes him a prick

    I get that but put yourself in his shoes.

    He is a young english lad and is told he isnt gold enough for England, but he wants to play international football and he qualifies for Ireland via his parents.

    Then a few years later England the country of his birth turn around and say look we made a mistake we want u to play for us, why wouldnt he switch if he still can.


    Now if he was born in Ireland and qualified for England via his parents its a different matter IMO, but he was born in London and has spent his whole life in England 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    wise choice Declan .. and Southgate should have him in the next squad .. a better choice than Dier right now
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,063
    Didnt realise he had already played for the senior team. Once that happens you shouldn't be able to switch nationalities, irrespective of it being a friendly.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Don’t see much wrong with it on his part. Rules are a bit stupid though. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,945
    edited February 2019
    Ross said:
    Smells of Jack Grealish all over again.

    When did this picking a nationality become a thing?
    If Ireland were about to pick him for a game that would then commit him to them rather than England, he had to 'declare' one way or another.
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,291
    edited February 2019
    WestStandNeil said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    WestStandNeil said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    what a prick, if i was Irish i wouldn't have wanted him from the second he had to think about it.

    hope he gets 20mins for England and never plays for them again.
    Born and raised in London tho.

    Just because his parents were Irish he could play for them, IMO thats wrong he was born in England so he plays for England IMO, and I dont see why it makes him a prick

    I get that but put yourself in his shoes.

    He is a young english lad and is told he isnt gold enough for England, but he wants to play international football and he qualifies for Ireland via his parents.

    Then a few years later England the country of his birth turn around and say look we made a mistake we want u to play for us, why wouldnt he switch if he still can.


    Now if he was born in Ireland and qualified for England via his parents its a different matter IMO, but he was born in London and has spent his whole life in England 
    Nah sorry I get where your coming from but its your parentage for me that defines where you come from - Else on that basis I'm eligible to play for India | England | Ireland

    i.e. being born in a stable does not make a man a horse.

    Fair enough he can play for both Ireland and England yet once you make your decision then for me thats it and hold Diego Costa and Aymeric Laporte in the same regard
  • SOTF
    SOTF Posts: 1,149
    DaveMehmet said:
    So he’s happy to play for and progress through Ireland’s teams for 4 years and as soon as he gets a sniff at an England place he jumps ship? Even as an England fan, I think calling him a prick is mild.
    To be fair, the Republic of Ireland is made up of a lot of players who played for Northern Ireland at youth level and switched allegiance. Don’t think Irish football fans can feel too cheated.
  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    Daddy_Pig said:
    Shouldn't be making a decision on anything other than what nationality he feels he is. If he feels English and gets less caps so be it. 

    Tough on the lad having so much pressure put on him over this at such a young age
    I feel like a millionaire; it don't make me one though. 
  • Brendan_O_Connell
    Brendan_O_Connell Posts: 8,938

    I too phoned Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate this afternoon and told them that I no longer have the desire to play for either the Republic of Ireland or the England national team.

    I must admit they both took the news rather well.  At least now I can move on and get on and concentrate on my career.

  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    Thank God, I have not been able to sleep for weeks for worrying about this.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,374
    ForeverAddickted said:
    WestStandNeil said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    WestStandNeil said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    what a prick, if i was Irish i wouldn't have wanted him from the second he had to think about it.

    hope he gets 20mins for England and never plays for them again.
    Born and raised in London tho.

    Just because his parents were Irish he could play for them, IMO thats wrong he was born in England so he plays for England IMO, and I dont see why it makes him a prick

    I get that but put yourself in his shoes.

    He is a young english lad and is told he isnt gold enough for England, but he wants to play international football and he qualifies for Ireland via his parents.

    Then a few years later England the country of his birth turn around and say look we made a mistake we want u to play for us, why wouldnt he switch if he still can.


    Now if he was born in Ireland and qualified for England via his parents its a different matter IMO, but he was born in London and has spent his whole life in England 
    Nah sorry I get where your coming from but its your parentage for me that defines where you come from - Else on that basis I'm eligible to play for India | England | Ireland

    i.e. being born in a stable does not make a man a horse.

    Fair enough he can play for both Ireland and England yet once you make your decision then for me thats it and hold Diego Costa and Aymeric Laporte in the same regard
    So what is your nationality if you were born in England to parents born in Wales, whose parents were born in Scotland, and their parents were born in Ireland etc? :)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    It's not his parents anyway, it's his grandparents on one side, so he's basically English

    I hate the way nations fight over players, especially ones brought up in another country, if you can't produce your own find players with parents or even grandparents from your country. Wales in recent years have captured a number of young players born in England, who are basically English.

    England in football are usually the country losing out, though to be fair in other sports like cricket the boot is on the other foot, with all the Saffers who've played for England, Morgan who's Irish and Archer who could/should be playing for the Windies.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,291
    Scoham said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    WestStandNeil said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    WestStandNeil said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    what a prick, if i was Irish i wouldn't have wanted him from the second he had to think about it.

    hope he gets 20mins for England and never plays for them again.
    Born and raised in London tho.

    Just because his parents were Irish he could play for them, IMO thats wrong he was born in England so he plays for England IMO, and I dont see why it makes him a prick

    I get that but put yourself in his shoes.

    He is a young english lad and is told he isnt gold enough for England, but he wants to play international football and he qualifies for Ireland via his parents.

    Then a few years later England the country of his birth turn around and say look we made a mistake we want u to play for us, why wouldnt he switch if he still can.


    Now if he was born in Ireland and qualified for England via his parents its a different matter IMO, but he was born in London and has spent his whole life in England 
    Nah sorry I get where your coming from but its your parentage for me that defines where you come from - Else on that basis I'm eligible to play for India | England | Ireland

    i.e. being born in a stable does not make a man a horse.

    Fair enough he can play for both Ireland and England yet once you make your decision then for me thats it and hold Diego Costa and Aymeric Laporte in the same regard
    So what is your nationality if you were born in England to parents born in Wales, whose parents were born in Scotland, and their parents were born in Ireland etc? :)
    First of all you look back through your family tree to find which Grandfather was playing away from home too often
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,890
    It’s not an easy decision to make.

    I will be making my debut for Jamaica next week.
  • Taylormade
    Taylormade Posts: 13
    Is he all that?

    i know he’s had a good start this season , but  a West Ham fan I know reckons Rice is worth 75 million, turned down a move to a top 4 club, and is miles better than Joe Gomez!

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